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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:02:49 PM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:04:32 PM   
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Weather!!!

Whew! I do have to say this is the first game up to turn 12 that have basically no rain. Makes a difference that is for sure. I have been real "lucky"

I find it interesting that is is raining in the Italian, Austria, and Swiss Alps.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:09:11 PM   
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Events!!!

I have not had any events, yet, where I lost VP's because lack of forces. I know now what happened to cause those issues in my first few games when WITE2 was rolled out 5 months ago. The issue was I had sent "all" SU's up to OKH instead of just "on map" unit SU's. This game and my game with Guctony I made sure I did not do that. So please be aware your settings when mass moving SU's in your game.






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:12:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jubjub

Don’t forget the bugged flak.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082054


Thank you Jubjub!!! I will update the post with this information for consolidation.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:18:10 PM   
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TB Box

TB box looks good with both Finland and Balkins Air ~92% & 95% all other TB boxes are over 102% for both Air and Ground, including North Africa




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:19:35 PM   
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TB Box

North Africa is 98% Naval thus yellow. I would surmise.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:22:29 PM   
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TB Box

Soviet Garrison still at 145% Next turn I have a few more units inbound & taking out aircraft that I need from here. By the way, the only place I don't mass lose my "tanks"... so far :-) Still have my 12 here.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:27:31 PM   
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Air Losses

Soviet continue their relentless bombing. I don't have a great deal of AA on the map but in a few places that did take a toll. But for the most part over 95% of the bombing is not opposed at all.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:29:48 PM   
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Trained Pilots

At least I am stock piling my Trained Pilots with the Air war the way it is.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:34:13 PM   
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New Fighters

Remember when a new plane begins production there is a one month lag time on when you can use that plane to upgrade airgroups. It has been a month & now the BF109-4F is ready for units. Although even when I had all my Fighters on manual upgrade on the Map some of those groups on the map auto updated to the BF109-4, interesting.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:45:08 PM   
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Bombing!!!!

Bombing around Moscow. Seems the Soviets are looking for something with the Recon ;-)






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 1:50:51 PM   
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Bombing

Even "more" recon SouthEast of Vyazma. Looking for counter pops I bet. I am curious if he saw anything.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 2:10:30 PM   
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As I have stated in this AAR in the beginning, and elsewhere on the forum, in so many words I don't leave holes in my line for exploitation by the Soviets. On rare occasion I may & Soviets are free to try but now turn 12 it just won't happen at all. Any time you are cleaning up an exploitation into your back lines unopposed you are losing! Control every step & ensure you have coverage you continue your progress. Fail at this.... well you can look at other AAR's and see what happens.

The Soviets probe the line and insert a CAV division in one section of my line. I have two of my seven Panzer Division in reserve and on reserve movement here. Now where are those other 5 PZ Divisons at?.... The 106th infantry division will easily take care of this.

****Note I misspoke last night and said 6 PZ Divisions in Reserve on the Map. I really have 7 in reserve behind the line resting and 2 coming to the Map this turn as reinforcements.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 2:29:58 PM   
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Attack

Soviets open the pocket in front of Moscow since I could not get a unit to the attacked hex to seal the pocket :( That pocket was opened of course. (not pictured)

In this picture next to Bryansk the Soviets attack with a probe attack by a CAV first and a massive attack for the 2nd attack & force a retreat of the PZ Division. Pocket opened. I then smiled a big happy smile when I saw the defense. MP's matter and with supply close and a defense like this well..... We will see what happens after recon since I am kind of counting my chickens before they hatch :(

****Remember I go for Soviet units over VP's as #1 priority
***** Jubjub does love his non-clear & river defense that is for sure.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 2:43:11 PM   
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Kharkov Area

Very few Soviets in view before recon around Kharkov. I believe the Soviets have retreated to the full river line I have drawn in Orange for this area of the map. Yet more marching for my troops near Kharkov. Glad railhead isn't too far behind :)

See if I am right on the river defense & not defending in clear terrain. It isn't a bad strat but does give up a great deal of land though.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 2:51:03 PM   
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FBD

Many many turns ago I brought my 3rd German FBD to the South (4 FBD's working in the South if you count the Rumanian) from up north & the rail conversion here is going like clockwork. Not exactly where I would like them but getting the freight where it needs to be. MP's have increased in my lead units from low to mid 30's up into the 40's now for my PZ's and Moto.

***** This snapshot is from many many many many turns ago btw




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 3:06:36 PM   
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South

Soviets melt away yet again even with the Soviet division in locking ZoC's. Nature of the beast in WITE2 with Soviets being well supplied & led. Now begins the 2-3 turn ritual of moving to contact them yet again.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 3:14:30 PM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 3:14:54 PM   
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Dnep & Zap VP cities

The Soviets are playing VP holding. I am playing capture Soviet units. See what I can do here this turn.

Units are pretty well supplied and fueled here now :-)




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 3:50:02 PM   
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But presence of a Fortified Unit allows forts to get up to lvl 3; and up to lvl 4 in Port / Urban / City hex.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:16:21 PM   
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Sorry, got busy at work. I am back for a little bit & will be busy again this afternoon so may not get the Airphase finished. Anyway I have a question. The question is...

Got Flak???

I have only a few Flak out and this was one of the few hexes that I did have a Heavy Flak battalion attached to Hungarian Moto brigade. They are fuel hogs so I try and put them into places where I believe will be bombed & I guessed right on this one. here is the 342nd Heavy Flak Battalion attached to the 1st Hun Moto Brigade.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:17:32 PM   
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Got Flak???

Here is the first battle in the hex for flak. A little much is it not?




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:19:34 PM   
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Got Flak???

Here is the 2nd bombing in the hex and the flak inflicted losses. 37 more planes go down. A bit much???




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:29:03 PM   
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Air supply

I did intercept Air Supply drops to the hexes being dropped to. But looks like the Soviets had AS in these hexes and lost more planes to OPS losses. But that is only a guess on my part from what I have seen earlier and posted in this thread https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5079658 where you will receive Air OPS losses from just flying AS in hexes even if you fly in just one phase(friendly or enemy). I do hope Air gets fixed soon & I know it is in the works.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:30:46 PM   
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Air Supply

#2 interception took place and again Soviets lose more fighter planes than they had in the battle. I am only guessing at root cause of the extra losses unless someone know for sure what it is or if just erroneous.

**** Trying to shoot down LI2 is like trying to shoot up B-17's. You just don't get many at all :(




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:31:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		A third of planes lost to Flak seems a very heavy toll in general. I was not aware there were SAMs (in general) in '41!
I do not know the altitude and things like that but it seems that flak is highly destructive - beyond the dissuasive and disrupting normal function.

But I assume as interception does not work well presently and the like... this is the way to go.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:32:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AlbertN

A third of planes lost to Flak seems a very heavy toll in general. I was not aware there were SAMs (in general) in '41!
I do not know the altitude and things like that but it seems that flak is highly destructive - beyond the dissuasive and disrupting normal function.

But I assume as interception does not work well presently and the like... this is the way to go.


I do know Germans started a program in WWII with SAM's :) At least I think I remember reading that a very long time ago.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:40:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlbertN

A third of planes lost to Flak seems a very heavy toll in general. I was not aware there were SAMs (in general) in '41!
I do not know the altitude and things like that but it seems that flak is highly destructive - beyond the dissuasive and disrupting normal function.

But I assume as interception does not work well presently and the like... this is the way to go.


I do know Germans started a program in WWII with SAM's :) At least I think I remember reading that a very long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:44:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurelian


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlbertN

A third of planes lost to Flak seems a very heavy toll in general. I was not aware there were SAMs (in general) in '41!
I do not know the altitude and things like that but it seems that flak is highly destructive - beyond the dissuasive and disrupting normal function.

But I assume as interception does not work well presently and the like... this is the way to go.


I do know Germans started a program in WWII with SAM's :) At least I think I remember reading that a very long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall


OH!!! Thank you Aurelian! I thought I read something about this long ago. I also remember reading about Germans using Helicopters in Southern Russia too. Is that true too?

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 10/7/2021 8:59:23 PM   
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Rzhev Bombed!!!

Looks like the railyard was the target. The railyard started in the 90's for damage and I just wasn't going to repair the rail there yet. Probably a wrong move but at least the bombing just damaged what was already damaged. So "AS" interception or auto-interception happened here even though I was in the hex & 8 squadrons of BF109's with 40+ planes each within 8 hexes of the bombing hex too. Oh well...




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