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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

Not 100% sure but I think if the unit isn't locked on T1 and you have enhanced TB on, you can move it wherever you want.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

Not 100% sure but I think if the unit isn't locked on T1 and you have enhanced TB on, you can move it wherever you want.

Ya, I don't know either. :( Just going to test it out and run a couple campaigns from T1 and test what happens to this II/JG27 when it transfer to Western Europe. It may get locked or get stuck or may not be able to move because under a certain threshold. Will find out and let everyone know.

Thank you!

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Turn 2

More units on the way to Soviet Union. Rail Conversion is a must. +2 more a turn hexes converted and in 10 turns that is 20 hexes. The Germans need these desperately since rail conversion is a HUGE problem for the Germans.

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ORIGINAL: tyronec

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Turn 2

More units on the way to Soviet Union. Rail Conversion is a must. +2 more a turn hexes converted and in 10 turns that is 20 hexes. The Germans need these desperately since rail conversion is a HUGE problem for the Germans.

This is why I would never play with TB transfer on. The impact of TB transfers was never evaluated during testing and there are various exploits available, probably for both sides. IMO it is is better as a tool in games versus the AI for players who want to look at historical what-ifs.

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ORIGINAL: GibsonPete

The TB transfer on is a balancing act that I believe offers advantages and disadvantages to the player. I am interested in seeing how this plays out. I appreciate you playing with the TB on.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: tyronec

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Turn 2

More units on the way to Soviet Union. Rail Conversion is a must. +2 more a turn hexes converted and in 10 turns that is 20 hexes. The Germans need these desperately since rail conversion is a HUGE problem for the Germans.

This is why I would never play with TB transfer on. The impact of TB transfers was never evaluated during testing and there are various exploits available, probably for both sides. IMO it is is better as a tool in games versus the AI for players who want to look at historical what-ifs.

You were the primary tester for this game through the majority of BETA with the ears of the developers. Lots of the items you posted I agreed with in BETA. Many other items I did not agree with you in BETA. In this instance I don't agree with you yet again since this was NEVER evaluated as you stated. If it wasn't evaluated how do you know the exploits? Or the pitfalls for that matter? How do you know what type of games people want to play? You don't, so I say if the developers left this in then it is an option for people to play with. I for one LOVE what-if scenarios that I can pull from other fronts to try. But if the player is not that a-historical type of person that has to have your scenario nailed down to the last nut and bolt in place. Then by all means don't play with TB ON.

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ORIGINAL: jubjub

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: tyronec

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Turn 2

More units on the way to Soviet Union. Rail Conversion is a must. +2 more a turn hexes converted and in 10 turns that is 20 hexes. The Germans need these desperately since rail conversion is a HUGE problem for the Germans.

This is why I would never play with TB transfer on. The impact of TB transfers was never evaluated during testing and there are various exploits available, probably for both sides. IMO it is is better as a tool in games versus the AI for players who want to look at historical what-ifs.

You were the primary tester for this game through the majority of BETA with the ears of the developers. Lots of the items you posted I agreed with in BETA. Many other items I did not agree with you in BETA. In this instance I don't agree with you yet again since this was NEVER evaluated as you stated. If it wasn't evaluated how do you know the exploits? Or the pitfalls for that matter? How do you know what type of games people want to play? You don't, so I say if the developers left this in then it is an option for people to play with. I for one LOVE what-if scenarios that I can pull from other fronts to try. But if the player is not that a-historical type of person that has to have your scenario nailed down to the last nut and bolt in place. Then by all means don't play with TB ON.

I hate how the engine historically transfers your full strength panzer divisions to 'refit' in France on the cusp of Blau, takes important infantry divisions off the line in November '41, and prevents you as the player from transferring units to refit in France without getting it stuck there for the rest of the game.


Besides those issues and a few other small modifications, I typically leave transfers alone. That's just how I use it as Axis, and obviously you're free to do your worst with the TB's .

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You were the primary tester for this game through the majority of BETA with the ears of the developers. Lots of the items you posted I agreed with in BETA. Many other items I did not agree with you in BETA. In this instance I don't agree with you yet again since this was NEVER evaluated as you stated. If it wasn't evaluated how do you know the exploits? Or the pitfalls for that matter? How do you know what type of games people want to play? You don't, so I say if the developers left this in then it is an option for people to play with. I for one LOVE what-if scenarios that I can pull from other fronts to try. But if the player is not that a-historical type of person that has to have your scenario nailed down to the last nut and bolt in place. Then by all means don't play with TB ON.

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ORIGINAL: tyronec

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You were the primary tester for this game through the majority of BETA with the ears of the developers. Lots of the items you posted I agreed with in BETA. Many other items I did not agree with you in BETA. In this instance I don't agree with you yet again since this was NEVER evaluated as you stated. If it wasn't evaluated how do you know the exploits? Or the pitfalls for that matter? How do you know what type of games people want to play? You don't, so I say if the developers left this in then it is an option for people to play with. I for one LOVE what-if scenarios that I can pull from other fronts to try. But if the player is not that a-historical type of person that has to have your scenario nailed down to the last nut and bolt in place. Then by all means don't play with TB ON.

That is a fair response. I don't know what the exploits are or what pitfalls there might be and it is only by playing with the TB that you will find out. So given that your opponent is happy with that then good luck to you.
The Devs have a formula for the TB criteria, by it's very nature that formula cannot be an accurate measurement of the value of units at the front for different periods of the war, measured against the benefits and penalties of meeting the criteria. I guess if they continue to refine the formula over time then it will get more accurate to counter the exploits, but I don't know if there is a commitment to doing that or if it is even worth the effort.
I think a lot of the warnings about the TB during testing were to do with the mechanics and presumably those issues have been resolved.

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ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Yes, most was due to us not getting the mechanics set until very late. Then there was the job of balancing all the requirements throughout the war. We could only really test this with AI vs AI games, which as we all know is not what happens once you involve players (whether vs AI or against another player). IIRC, one thing we did just before release was to make it much more likely of getting a failure if under the requirement than of getting a success when over the requirement. You can see this in the editor in the events "probability" of occurrence. This is especially true in North Africa because we didn't have time to model the limited shipping capacity to North Africa (for units and supplies). We talked about doing that, but never had time to add it. We've talked about adding it post release, but again, there are many more important issues to work on, so it will likely be some time before we look at this. So I think it's fair to say the players will be penalized if they short the various theaters, and they can only short them so much before the 90% rule kicks in. But it will be harder to get a big advantage by shifting forces to a TB. Of course even the 90% rule allows for some mini-maxing by the players. We will react as we get feedback, especially if it only involves data/scenario changes, but it can take a long time to hear from enough players that have tried different strategies.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 2 End of Turn

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