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RE: jubjub (Soviet) vs HYLA (Axis) '41 Grand Campaign - 8/10/2021 5:54:49 PM   
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Leningrad finally started spawning militia units, which can be used to plug the holes until better divisions arrive. If anyone knows if there is a schedule for militia troop arrival, I'd really like to see it.

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rather predictably, they seem to appear in the reinforcement schedule:






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RE: jubjub (Soviet) vs HYLA (Axis) '41 Grand Campaign - 8/10/2021 6:01:52 PM   
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Limited gains towards Kiev and the bulk of the Southwestern Front, but PG 1 went around to the south - following the Yuzhny Bug river. I'm fine with that direction of advance since there's no double rail line in that direction. The main line to Kiev, Dneprostock, etc. goes through Vinnista, and the FBD should be within 8 hexes of my front line already. This means that any ground the Southwestern front can hold next turn will delay the FBD progress by almost a full turn (assuming the FBD is going that way).


Every time the FBD is delayed, it makes D-town and the other victory point cities that much easier to defend, so there's a big incentive to stay and fight. However, staying too long may allow a big encirclement from the south, and the fresh infantry of 6th and 17th armies are already within a few hexes of the main line. There also needs to be a decision made about Odessa this turn.


Southwestern front came into contact with the 60th motorized and Wiking SS divisions, bringing the total motorized/panzer division count up to 9 for PG1.


The Romanian armor division is left on the front line and punished. A broken out Romanian regiment looses to two isolated divisions and routs with heavy losses.






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RE: jubjub (Soviet) vs HYLA (Axis) '41 Grand Campaign - 8/10/2021 6:09:43 PM   
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Leningrad finally started spawning militia units, which can be used to plug the holes until better divisions arrive. If anyone knows if there is a schedule for militia troop arrival, I'd really like to see it.

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rather predictably, they seem to appear in the reinforcement schedule:








Doh! Thought I'd looked there in the past. Oh well.



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T4 - 8/19/2021 11:37:44 PM   
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Soviets take a beating this turn with over 180,000 men captured. There's been no big encirclements, but HYLA is extremely adept at manipulating retreat paths, so he manages to pocket pretty much everything that's not in the main line, whereas these units are normally routed or retreated back to my lines, or at least surrounded in a way where I can counterattack. As a result, I have almost no routed units that need refitting, and my on map units is at least 20 less than I'm used to. I'm figuring out how he does it, and adjusting accordingly, so hopefully these losses won't happen again.


However, since there's been no strong push, the progress has been pretty slow, especially in the south. This turn was a good one for panzer losses at least, although I would like them to be higher. Southwestern front has been stymied in that regard so far.


Not much happened in the air war this turn. Just a couple of interdiction missions north of Smolensk.





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RE: T4 - 8/19/2021 11:54:44 PM   
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Pocket 1 happened because I decided to attack the Romanian tank division of the mind that the main line would be on that river (Yuzhny Bug). Ultimately, as I was arranging the front, I decided the front wasn't strong enough to stick around and needed to hang them out to dry. I also thought I would get a counter attacking opportunity out of it, since they were only a couple of hexes from the main defense. Instead, HYLA pushes them away from my lines, where it's too deep to make a deliberate attack without getting stuck.


Pocket 2 was intentional on my part. The plan was to get units trapped around Vinnista, counter-attack to open the pocket, and delay his FBD 2 turns. Instead, the units get pushed away from my front lines so far that the tank divisions have no chance of attacking.





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RE: T4 - 8/20/2021 12:04:38 AM   
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A couple of heartbreaking losses in the land bridge. The turn 3 loss resulted in a couple of stragglers being eaten to add insult to injury. The top battle was only lost by a single CV




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RE: T4 - 8/20/2021 12:18:31 AM   
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A panzer corps is 100% committed to the path north of Veliki Luki. Once you've crossed the red line, there's no turning back. In past games, this has resulted in panzers getting stuck up there for no gain. I have a couple of armies of Moscow militia headed this way to head it off. At this point, the main concern is the encirclement threat in yellow and hanging onto Smolensk.


In hindsight, I should've reconned this area to see if anything else was coming down this path...




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RE: T4 - 8/20/2021 12:22:46 AM   
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No change in lines. No more reinforcements to this area until I see an effort, and the boys on the trains go to Northwestern Front to block the advance to Kalinin and the double rail. At this point, the area is over-defended, and we can pull high strength reinforcements from it.




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RE: T5 - 8/23/2021 10:32:55 PM   
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Ground Losses

Losses this turn are high enough to keep the Red Army's growth stalled. What's worse is that we already have 1 million men wasting away in POW camps




Air Losses

A 1000 sortie interdiction campaign is ordered over the woods east of Veliki Luki, which did not achieve it's intended goal in any sense. However, LRAC discovered dozens of divisions heading straight for Rzhev that STAVKA was previously unaware of. They also discovered a few hundred flak 88's attached to the units that gladly filled the sky with flak. The sacrifice of half of LRAC's level bombers was probably worth this intel, even though it leaves the air command as a shadow of its former self.





Western Front

Western Front had to be redeployed to meet the new threat, and unfortunately that meant abandoning Smolensk, as too many divisions have been captured, leaving too few men to cover the approach to the city. The soft factor shown is CPP, and it's red almost across the board despite being an assault HQ since turn 2. This is because units keep getting captured and marching around Smolensk. Redeploying turn 3 to cover the Dnieper, then retreating turn 4, and now having to redeploy again to the north, Western Front hasn't been able to sit and build preparation like STAVKA intends.


STAVKA is happy with the defense towards Rzhev, but fears encirclement of the western flank. It should be costly in terms of MP to surround however. With 20 motorized divisions in the area, it probably would've been wiser to pull back a little further.





Ukraine


STAVKA is fed up with units being surrounded in the area for no gain, and orders the formation of a continuous front, partly shielded by the Dnieper, and partly by the other tributaries. Several small attacks are ordered to smash some uppity Romanians and Hungarians. Hopefully we get more opportunities to do this in the future. Romanians in particular melt under any sort of heavy fighting. At this point, I was half expecting to get a reserve activation to save these units. We try to get as many units involved in the party to get started on guard status.

This sector of the map has a much more fluid retreat path (go east), more space, and has very high CPP units compared to the Western Front.



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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 4:21:47 AM   
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Counter Attacks in the Land Bridge

A couple of heartbreaking losses in the land bridge. The turn 3 loss resulted in a couple of stragglers being eaten to add insult to injury. The top battle was only lost by a single CV





Looks like the VVS was idle here. No ground support. Might have helped if you could have swung it.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 4:27:10 AM   
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They also discovered a few hundred flak 88's attached to the units that gladly filled the sky with flak. The sacrifice of half of LRAC's level bombers was probably worth this intel, even though it leaves the air command as a shadow of its former self.


To my knowledge the LW Mixed Flak units have the 88's and they cannot be directly attached to combat units. Someone please correct me if you know otherwise. I believe only light flak can be attached to units.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 4:42:14 AM   
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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 4:46:03 AM   
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They also discovered a few hundred flak 88's attached to the units that gladly filled the sky with flak. The sacrifice of half of LRAC's level bombers was probably worth this intel, even though it leaves the air command as a shadow of its former self.


To my knowledge the LW Mixed Flak units have the 88's and they cannot be directly attached to combat units. Someone please correct me if you know otherwise. I believe only light flak can be attached to units.




You can’t attach LW battalions to combat units from what I’ve seen, but there are army mixed flak battalions that you can directly attach. In my post, ‘units’ was referring to both HQ’s and combat units. I found out T6 that he attached heavy flak battalions to his panzers as well.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 4:55:13 AM   
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They also discovered a few hundred flak 88's attached to the units that gladly filled the sky with flak. The sacrifice of half of LRAC's level bombers was probably worth this intel, even though it leaves the air command as a shadow of its former self.


To my knowledge the LW Mixed Flak units have the 88's and they cannot be directly attached to combat units. Someone please correct me if you know otherwise. I believe only light flak can be attached to units.




You can’t attach LW battalions to combat units from what I’ve seen, but there are army mixed flak battalions that you can directly attach. In my post, ‘units’ was referring to both HQ’s and combat units. I found out T6 that he attached heavy flak battalions to his panzers as well.


Interesting. All of those heavy flak units were in Africa at the start so he must have moved them over. Thanks for the info.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 11:08:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are 5+ Medium / Heavy regiments of Flak that start or arrive in the first turn in the general Axis reserve.

Plus the LW Medium ones can go in HQ that can get parked adjacent to the interested location.

If someone can forecast massive bombing or air supply on can move HQs in position.

In one of my games I've a good hundred of 88's lurking around Smolensk that is being air supplied by the Soviets.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 1:28:18 PM   
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They also discovered a few hundred flak 88's attached to the units that gladly filled the sky with flak. The sacrifice of half of LRAC's level bombers was probably worth this intel, even though it leaves the air command as a shadow of its former self.


To my knowledge the LW Mixed Flak units have the 88's and they cannot be directly attached to combat units. Someone please correct me if you know otherwise. I believe only light flak can be attached to units.




You can’t attach LW battalions to combat units from what I’ve seen, but there are army mixed flak battalions that you can directly attach. In my post, ‘units’ was referring to both HQ’s and combat units. I found out T6 that he attached heavy flak battalions to his panzers as well.


Interesting. All of those heavy flak units were in Africa at the start so he must have moved them over. Thanks for the info.


I wasn't told not to be here so I assume it was ok to read and post.

No flak was taken from any other Task Force boxes. Plus coming from Africa take 5 turns for units to reach Russia. I would have had to move them turn 1 to receive on turn 6. Far too late to show up for last turn Flak battle.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 1:29:11 PM   
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They also discovered a few hundred flak 88's attached to the units that gladly filled the sky with flak. The sacrifice of half of LRAC's level bombers was probably worth this intel, even though it leaves the air command as a shadow of its former self.


To my knowledge the LW Mixed Flak units have the 88's and they cannot be directly attached to combat units. Someone please correct me if you know otherwise. I believe only light flak can be attached to units.




You can’t attach LW battalions to combat units from what I’ve seen, but there are army mixed flak battalions that you can directly attach. In my post, ‘units’ was referring to both HQ’s and combat units. I found out T6 that he attached heavy flak battalions to his panzers as well.


You can attach them to units.

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RE: T4 - 8/24/2021 1:30:31 PM   
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Counter Attacks in the Land Bridge

A couple of heartbreaking losses in the land bridge. The turn 3 loss resulted in a couple of stragglers being eaten to add insult to injury. The top battle was only lost by a single CV





Looks like the VVS was idle here. No ground support. Might have helped if you could have swung it.


I was running AS over the battlefield and other fighter planes not on AS. So could have been iffy but well worth a try for GS.

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RE: T6 - 8/31/2021 6:17:49 PM   
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156,000 casualties keeps the Red Army under 3 million men. Can't wait for a turn with losses <100k. It may have to wait until mud season unfortunately. An attack originating from the Smolensk direction cuts off 8 divisions. This just underscores how important Smolensk is, and it makes me so sad to have abandoned it without a fight. It's really just not possible to make an effective push towards Moscow without that city. A few large attacks in the Ukraine with limited progress, and I'm happy to fall back to the next river. A slow push starts back up in the north, likely just trying to keep me honest and prevent reinforcements flowing south.




Northern Front

Nothing to worry about yet.



Southern Front

Running away for now. Left a weak spot on the Dnieper south of Kiev, so hopefully the Germans take the bait.



Bombing FAIL

****ed up my interdiction directives again, which leads to 10x sorties and huge losses. I need to start triple checking these.



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RE: T6 - 8/31/2021 6:28:29 PM   
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Decent results considering the amount of panzer divisions thrown my way, although it could've been better. 8 divisions encircled and unfortunately, no counter attacking opportunities means they will all be liquidated next turn. Calvary scouted just about every motorized and pazner division facing east, and found some candidates, but nothing seemed like a sure win, so Bobkin's 13th army and tanks hold back for now.

You can see the best targets in the second photo. The soft factor is attachments.





Reinforcement Schedule

It's a pretty dire situation with not much coming to the reserves for the next few turns. Some of the destroyed units are starting to trickle back, but they start with morale and experience <40, so they're useless for a few turns. I may start trying to bring them to the map earlier to build up combat preparation while their morale recovers. Not sure how that is going to work.



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RE: T7 - 9/1/2021 8:39:57 PM   
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Managed to pull off some nice attacks against overstretched regiments. Really need more of these to get started on that guards progress.






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RE: T7 - 9/1/2021 9:48:13 PM   
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RE: T7 - 9/1/2021 11:06:24 PM   
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Routed? GJ!


Yup, he did well. I miscalculated & paid the price. Of course it is easy to beat up on German Regiments early game.

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RE: T7 - 9/1/2021 11:11:06 PM   
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RE: T7 - 9/1/2021 11:24:38 PM   
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In some of my games I even got German -divisions- routed so! Heck even see a -stack- of 1 Division and beyond routed in Summer '41.


Depends on your opponent. In this case, I’ll take what I can get.

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RE: T8 - 10/30/2021 12:05:58 AM   
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Turn 8: Situation in the center.



I don't have the screenshot, but I'm pretty sure this is the turn or turn after the Germans encircled a bunch of units around Kiev and the Dniepr. Edit: found it. With the German armor all committed to Kiev, Tolbukhin and Rokossovsky commit several successful counter attacks. These proved to be phyrric victories.







Shocking loss to the Romanians. Shows how much of a difference good (decent) leaders make. I don't have the screenshot, but I suspect all 5 of those fighter losses were due to OPS. I'm begging for buffs to the Soviet fighters. It's been admitted that ops losses are too high, so the losses have to be made up somewhere else.



Big problem that starts turn 8 - returning surrendered units. These suck up manpower and don't contribute for at least 4 turns. Edit: oh, that's not what this is showing in this screenshot. I guess this was to show the far east divisions I ordered over.



Zhukov takes command of Western Front. Shockingly, Pavlov keeps his life (if I recall correctly).




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RE: T9 - 10/30/2021 12:22:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 9: Center. I scout out some resting panzer divisions and retreat towards Orel/Tula since the line is thin in that area. Germans cross the river west of Rzhev.



Turn 9: South. Southwestern Front is missing an infantry army and retreats beyond the Dniepr. At this point, some of the Southern VP cities are starting to bleed off bonus points. Southern Front is beyond the Dniepr, and it's planned to retreat this entire front plus some into the Crimea.





Turn 9: Center. A huge gap has developed between Central Front and Southwestern Front. The terrain around Bryansk always gives me trouble, so I want to cling to it as long as possible.



Another example of huge loss/sortie. About 50% on each side, although I would consider this a Soviet 'win'. This is the only way to get decent results as the Soviets. Also, this was an auto-interception. I have really never understood the complaints about auto-interception as it has done a fine job in both this game and my other Axis games. I also don't understand why people think interceptors should be able to intercept in this situation. The entire bombing run would probably be over before the fighters could scramble to the location.



Soviet Ground Attack. Another feature I don't think is broken.



Losses: another turn of very high losses. The Axis needs to inflict losses of 150k or more every turn to be competitive IMO. Tank loss ratio is pretty good.



OOB: Not great. The thing that suffers the most with all of the surrenders is the artillery. My rifle divisions are extremely short on mortars and other basic ground elements compared to other games.







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RE: T9 - 10/30/2021 12:26:11 AM   
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RE: T9 - 10/30/2021 12:26:21 AM   
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