Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Since the same tactic is available to both sides and is known by anyone who takes the time to read AARs, I don't see a problem.

IRL, it was the Japanese that brought their TFs into battle as a series of smaller TFs - like the second naval battle of Guadalcanal which had one or two scouting CL/DD TFs, a CA TF, and a BB TF. They didn't run the Allied TF out of ammo but they did attrite all of the US DDs before taking on the BBs with their CAs and BB.

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Since the same tactic is available to both sides and is known by anyone who takes the time to read AARs, I don't see a problem.

IRL, it was the Japanese that brought their TFs into battle as a series of smaller TFs - like the second naval battle of Guadalcanal which had one or two scouting CL/DD TFs, a CA TF, and a BB TF. They didn't run the Allied TF out of ammo but they did attrite all of the US DDs before taking on the BBs with their CAs and BB.

I think it breaks the game's naval combat model which is sad, but you are right that it is a tactic that is available to both players, and I would certainly organize the IJN the same way you describe. I would not, however, have subdivided the scouting and cruiser task forces into independent squadrons with the same target and missions, though. That is odd.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Since the same tactic is available to both sides and is known by anyone who takes the time to read AARs, I don't see a problem.

IRL, it was the Japanese that brought their TFs into battle as a series of smaller TFs - like the second naval battle of Guadalcanal which had one or two scouting CL/DD TFs, a CA TF, and a BB TF. They didn't run the Allied TF out of ammo but they did attrite all of the US DDs before taking on the BBs with their CAs and BB.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Since the same tactic is available to both sides and is known by anyone who takes the time to read AARs, I don't see a problem.

IRL, it was the Japanese that brought their TFs into battle as a series of smaller TFs - like the second naval battle of Guadalcanal which had one or two scouting CL/DD TFs, a CA TF, and a BB TF. They didn't run the Allied TF out of ammo but they did attrite all of the US DDs before taking on the BBs with their CAs and BB.

I don't see it being better if both sides would use it. Go ahead and start sending in single DD TFs with lower TF numbers and your real TF in the end when the enemy is out of ammo. There was also that tactic of creating a hundred single ship TFs to spam an area to totally screw the air engine, this is dated back to even WITP.

Not the way I would want to play this game but to each his own. That's why it's so hard to find an appropriate opponent, thinking the same about what goes and what not. Hard to have a hr on everything and in this case, I wouldn't even have thought about it anymore as it wasn't "common" lately.

In comparison to real life, well, in this case the small number of ships were sent in in broad daylight for a mid ocean intercept so that's hardly a good comparison to the real life naval battles around Guadalcanal. Have two big TFs and your enemy sends in four or five small TFs in daylight for a naval gunnery duell? Guess the outcome in reallife and then compare it to the outcome in the game.

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

Anybody know if AA units will fire in move mode or only in combat mode. What about their radar?

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

Anybody know if AA units will fire in move mode or only in combat mode. What about their radar?

AA with supply will always fire at aircraft, but I think the mode they are in affects their rate of fire and maybe accuracy. When fragmented airstrikes hit a hex that has moving AA in it the first strike seems to get off fairly easy but the subsequent strikes face more AA. Just my impression - no data to back it up.

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Ground combat at Port Moresby (98,130)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 36392 troops, 431 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 1128

Defending force 11956 troops, 198 guns, 165 vehicles, Assault Value = 285

Japanese adjusted assault: 2184

Allied adjusted defense: 701

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Port Moresby !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2280 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 57 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled

Allied ground losses:
9489 casualties reported (there were 27,000 when the fighting began)
Squads: 495 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 965 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 88 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 145 (145 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 181 (181 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 13

Assaulting units:
78th Infantry Regiment
16th Division
20th Engineer Regiment
48th Division
4th/C Division
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Regiment
16th Army
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
30th Australian Brigade
8th Australian Division
Port Moresby Brigade
15th RAAF Base Force
Torres Strait Battalion
131st Field Artillery Battalion
Eastern Command
147th Field Artillery Regiment
2/4 MG Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
19th MG Battalion
2/3rd Ind Coy
Rabaul Det. Base Force

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

What Mike says. I would not want to lose such an amout of troops, to me it's either to defend a place (and hold it) or not to. In this case it doesn't seem to be either of it as it's the perfect way to destroy Allied ground units. 500 av is not all that much but it was still not that late when you landed though.

In return he did get those ships he sank with that fragmented fleet attack or however I should call it. Without the ship kills it would have been a clear Allied defeat.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Wow, that's a lot of Aussie squads that will probably never come back. Nice little pile of US arty gone too.

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Ground combat at Padang (44,85)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18996 troops, 179 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 669

Defending force 5013 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Japanese adjusted assault: 387

Allied adjusted defense: 58

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Padang !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Do-24K-1: 4 destroyed (DW had used this base to good effect, keeping an eye on my ship movements around Singapore)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1100 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 89 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5764 casualties reported
Squads: 328 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 279 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 4

Assaulting units: (The whole force will now redeploy to join the forces that have isolated the 45,000 Dutch in their mountain bastion at Bandoeng for its reduction)
124th Infantry Regiment
23rd Nav Gd Unit
Yokosuka 4th SNLF
Kure 2nd SNLF
Sasebo 3rd SNLF
32nd Nav Gsn Unit
41st Infantry Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
16th Naval Guard Unit
4th Naval Construction Battalion

Defending units:
Korps Marechausee Battalion
NS KNIL Territory Regiment
WS KNIL Territory Regiment
Medan Coastal Gun Battalion

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Ground combat at Ankang (82,42)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 26491 troops, 225 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1061

Defending force 4156 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 153

Allied adjusted assault: 1266

Japanese adjusted defense: 148

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1590 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 12 (4 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
343 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
95th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
55th Chinese Corps
68th Chinese Corps
84th Chinese/A Corps

Defending units:
110th/B Division

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Just so you know, the 8 Aussie Division was composed of 22 & 27 Aus Bdes (in Singapore) and the Lark, Gull and Sparrow battalions (Gull at Rabaul and the other two at Darwin). What I suspect happened was the two brigades surrendered at Singapore and the three battalions were moved to Pt. Moresby and then combined to form the "8 Aus Division", really at 1/3 strength, so in reality it was a brigade equivalent at Pt. Moresby.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Ahh, yes. I see. Looking at that list, there are a lot of units that could have been used in a much better way, I feel. I wonder what he has in Darwin? What are your plans for northern Australia, if any?