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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 10/30/2021 10:53:16 PM   
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Despite the rough conditions 1 Panzergruppe manage to link up with mobile elements from 6 Armee. But only just, definitely should have tried to get 1 or 2 Panzer Division around the north pincer, but time was tight for sure. The pocket might be a bit leaky to start but at least 15 divisions should end up trapped unless I have stumbled into a hornets nest with strong mobile forces mustering to the north. I suspect not.
Everywhere else on the front is pretty quiet as the fighting bogs down into skirmishes and trench warfare for a while at least. No chance of serious progress on Moscow.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 10/31/2021 12:11:44 PM   
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As expected the pocket is a little leaky but is sealed pretty tightly and with it the fate of 12th Army. Or at least this iteration of it. I'm sure it will rise from the ashes for its revenge...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 10/31/2021 12:21:46 PM   
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Soviet OOB stays marginally below 5mil, with losses tipped just over 3mil including 1.5mil PoWs. However disturbingly on map tank numbers took a frightening jump to 5.5k recently. I'm fairly happy with the damage inflicted, and territory taken but all told he has done a good job of disengaging in the south and I am reluctant to chase him further, fun as it might have been to see how far towards Grozny I might have gotten. And somewhere in the shadows a behemoth is sharpening its tools of war... AtAtack has made his last 2 Axis opponents quit before mid 42 I think so I suspect he knows how to turn up the pain and I hope to get ready best we can.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 10/31/2021 12:32:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd be very happy with the situation if I was playing Axis. Tons of territory taken while inflicting enough losses to keep the Red Army relatively weak. I think AtAtack will have a difficult time prioritizing where to conduct his winter offensive.

Do you mind sharing your truck losses and VP situation?

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/2/2021 8:49:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep no problem, still a few turns ahead but actually I saved the VP to the image below already as this was likely to be a highwater mark for the winter. 687 VP is the tally, including 92 bonus points. We'll certainly lose at least 16 as we will give up Ryazan as untenable. Everything else is dug in and will try our best to hold.

T21 Kharkov

Kharkov pocket is wrapped up with 15 divisions eliminated and 140k prisoners taken. With that offensive operations, at least in the south come to an end for now...








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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/2/2021 8:58:14 PM   
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State of logistics at the end of T21. Fairly happy with the rail network, although there are a few branches we want to link up before the next few turns. Otherwise pretty happy that except for 3 level two railyards off the main tracks in the south then every railyard is linked up to the network. I've managed a better job of this than previous games now I realised from other AARs that its at least a little more important than I first realised. No super depots used, although once the branch links are made I might park a couple of FBDs in key locations to be decided. Otherwise the other 2 will keep expanding I think.

Back to Jubjub's question on trucks, seems like circa 66k vehicles lost. No idea if thats good or bad, but we should be able to keep the supply lines as short as possible through winter now.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/2/2021 11:25:11 PM   
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Back to Jubjub's question on trucks, seems like circa 66k vehicles lost. No idea if thats good or bad, but we should be able to keep the supply lines as short as possible through winter now.


That seems high. I try to keep it under 2.5k lost per turn and you're averaging 3.5k (if I did my math right). It may have been worth it with the amount of damage you've done.

Ironically, your vehicle losses per turn probably will go down during the winter. I'm curious to see how your truck situation pans out in '42.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/2/2021 11:40:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually that 66k number and the 2 tables on the right was pulled from T24 rather than T21 as running a little ahead, so it's more like 2.75k lost per turn on that basis. No doubt its probably higher than average, I wasnt advancing recklessly I think and tried to stay not too far from railheads, but there had to be a cost to having a larger than normal 4 Panzergruppe spearheading through thick terrain. On the flip side fairly happy to capture 26k soviet trucks so that's half the losses back, and as you say I'm pretty well dug in now and well supplied. Most infantry is within 3 hexes of a depot so as long as not pushed back truck losses in winter might not be too bad. Let's see how it looks by end of March...

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/4/2021 9:36:01 PM   
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With the first snows settling LVI Motorised Corps beats back a large Soviet counterattack with relative ease. Subsequently LVI Corps launches their own attack to expand the salient west & LVII Corps push back the Reds to the North. Still a small window now to reach the Lake...






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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/5/2021 3:39:50 AM   
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Still a small window now to reach the Lake...





Depending on you weather you may have a bigger window than you think. OR a much smaller one. You have the Weather forecast screenshot?

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/5/2021 6:34:56 AM   
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T23 Leningrad

A new Republic, if we can keep it! The weather treats us well and elements of 3 combined corps smash a hole through and park Panzer on the lakefront. Not much of a view in the November mists compared to early Sept but we made it at least and give the Reds something to think about. The Leningrad perimeter has shrunk already which is sensible for sure and if nothing else it means he needs to think less about using winter as a springboard to push to Pskov and we can expect the focus to fall on a relief effort.
Finally 4 Panzergruppe becomes the last to transition out of assault mode and starts to dig in properly.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/5/2021 6:43:38 AM   
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I think we can rationally declare the end of offensive operations for Barbarossa. We aren't going any further this winter and are digging in to hold what we can ahead of new offensives in spring 42. This is the perimeter, notwithstanding that 3 Panzer will have to withdraw their bridgehead to Lake Fish once pressure is applied. They have done their job of disrupting supplies as long as possible and are exposed now. Otherwise we are quite happy with the front lines, but here is the record of their extent, and the current losses & forces to compare with later come end of March42...





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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 12:54:03 AM   
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Almost certainly XXXIX Korps has outstayed its welcome and its time to pull back to more secure positions. Maybe the whole of 3 Panzergruppe could have dug in up here and caused more problems sat astride the rail link but I am pretty sure it would have been untenable before too long.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 1:27:00 AM   
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4 Panzergruppe becomes the last to transition out of assault mode and starts to dig in properly.


I highly suggest placing all 4 panzer armies back into assault status before 1942.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 2:14:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been wrestling with that on slight moral grounds. But all should be dug in by then so there are many good reasons to do so of course.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 2:19:49 AM   
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I've been wrestling with that on slight moral grounds. But all should be dug in by then so there are many good reasons to do so of course.


Not sure I understand your qualms. It's an exception that's specifically called out in the manual.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 2:47:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely, no real barrier to doing so of course and its the smart move. I do feel like maybe there should be ongoing AP (or VP) penalties in future patches to discourage outstaying Assault HQ quota so at least its a choice with consequences then, but thats just me and I'm an idiot. It asymmetrically helps the Axis with a falling tally rather than the Soviet opposite who get more each year by design so its never an option. We started on patch 0.9 where I would have had 5 but I gave AtAtack the choice of whether and when to upgrade to .15 and beyond and while it might marginally affect his winter counter-attack (but probably not much), he (I think wisely) decided to pull the trigger on it a few turns ago so thats the regime we are working under now.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 3:05:21 AM   
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I do feel like maybe there should be ongoing AP (or VP) penalties in future patches to discourage outstaying Assault HQ quota so at least its a choice with consequences then,


That's not a bad idea imo. Don't the panzer armies go away at some point, so eventually you're forced out of them right?


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It asymmetrically helps the Axis with a falling tally rather than the Soviet opposite who get more each year by design so its never an option.


True, but the Soviets will have more AHQ command capacity starting in 1942 even with 4 Axis AHQ's.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 5:15:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mmm, I'm not sure if the army transitions to another name /identity I assumed it woukd still be an assault HQ but its another way to Enstoneure the axis can't cling on to extras I guess

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 10:33:42 AM   
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Mmm, I'm not sure if the army transitions to another name /identity I assumed it woukd still be an assault HQ but its another way to Enstoneure the axis can't cling on to extras I guess


specific to this, yes it does as long as it stays as an army HQ. 11A is a problem as over late 42/early 43 it wanders between being 11A/AG Don/Army Detach Kempf and then 8A. So it would lose assault status between being 11A and ADK. I think this is unique, as the Soviets have the one off corps-army transitions but no army-front HQ shifts (more importantly no Front-army-Front transition)

Overall impressed with this outcome, interesting to have pushed so hard NW of Moscow but that should be making a monumental mess of the Soviet supply to the forces at Leningrad and along the Volkhov

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/7/2021 10:54:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		If he's smart, and I am 100% sure he is, he's already repairing this line now I have pulled out but its lost weeks of flow at a critical build-up phase I think. It would be interesting to hear afterwards from AtAtack how much difference it made, but we are a couple turns ahead and it seems the situation in Leningrad is tight maybe. I think that Rybinsk/Sankovo junction sector is must-hold for the soviets more than people realise. This is my 3rd game but in the 2nd I also took Yaroslav briefly and that didn't work out well for the Reds in the north.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/10/2021 2:52:16 AM   
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Having called an end to offensive operations this order is ripped up as it seems an opportunity arises to follow up on some weakness in the Red perimeter south of Leningrad. Maybe supplies were tight as we hoped but scouts suggested that success was possible in the snowfall and 5 attacks press home successfully. We hope to keep the pressure up while we can but at the very least turning the gap between the besieged and the relief forces from 10 to 20 miles will be a big help.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/10/2021 8:07:08 AM   
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T26 Leningrad Sector

Having called an end to offensive operations this order is ripped up as it seems an opportunity arises to follow up on some weakness in the Red perimeter south of Leningrad. Maybe supplies were tight as we hoped but scouts suggested that success was possible in the snowfall and 5 attacks press home successfully. We hope to keep the pressure up while we can but at the very least turning the gap between the besieged and the relief forces from 10 to 20 miles will be a big help.

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even better, the freight demand to replace those lost men is going to add to his problems, that is 3 divisions demanding supply (& manpower) and contributing nothing

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/10/2021 9:08:09 AM   
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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/10/2021 1:37:06 PM   
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Some probing attacks begin in the Moscow area against 4th Army but so far they are repulsed. Everybody well dug in and supplied with each army having at least some reserves on hand. We'll see if the tempo increases here but so far pretty quiet. As it currently stands we can afford to give a little ground if necessary and still remain a danger to Moscow in spring, but we have a long winter ahead first...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/11/2021 3:24:26 PM   
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4 Panzergruppe and 18 Armee continue to apply pressure to the besieged Leningrad Front. Weather still snowfall rather than blizzard so air support proves useful at key strongpoints, especially as what was before a very active soviet air force in this sector appears to have evacuated, presumably to conserve supplies. Still a long way to go against a garrison of at least 20 divisions, but many of them probably quite battered now.
The Soviet relief forces are starting to apply pressure though and 2 regiments holding the perimeter are routed. The gap is plugged for now to maintain the integrity of the line but the threat is growing from the east.

Overall also having seen total soviet forces dip below 4.8m, and despite inflicting another 108k casualties, their overall numbers are rising at a rapid rate as the Reds regroup and no doubt prepare for a series of counterattacks...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/11/2021 6:08:00 PM   
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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/13/2021 6:24:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, progress is better than we could have expected a couple of months ago when the defence looked solid so we'll keep on the pressure while we can despite the weather.

T27 Kharkov sector

However, meanwhile pressure is applied to 17 Armee shielding east of Kharkov and a minor crisis looms and needs some attention, and the deployment of reserves.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/13/2021 6:29:19 AM   
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And more small fires start in 11 Armee's sector in the Donets basin. The reserves plug the gap to maintain the intergrity of the line but in doing so expose themselves in the open for a while at least until they can re-establish defences. Possibly should have gradually given ground but the Fuhrer was quite insistent...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/13/2021 6:34:26 AM   
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Mixed news as while 18 Armee continues to slog through the snow and reach the Leningrad suburbs the Soviet relief forces make some first breaches in the lines themselves. Clearly they will not reach the city but are at least aiming to create a crisis and divert our attention from the prize. Also the fortress of Oranienbaum falls without much of a fight removing that thorn in our side. I always feel worth the Soviets fighting for that one and making use of the level 5 fort, but hopefully its a sign of a collapse unfolding...




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