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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/13/2021 11:08:02 AM   
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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/13/2021 12:31:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good spot yes, looks like didn't upload properly. On the subject of Oranienbaum was trying to dig deeper to find out more a while ago but not much online in English at least it seems. Shame as seems an interesting and quite key part of the siege that I certainly wasn't too aware of until quite recently. In game it would actually be 65km by 25km so at least 3 hexes, one either side of the game fortress (so maybe the Stalingrad to Berlin campaign setup is slightly wrong...). Bit on wikipedia and feldgrau this map was most of what I could find really. I'm sure there is more out there of course.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/14/2021 5:53:46 PM   
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18 Armee successfully breaks into the Leningrad suburbs against relatively light opposition and keeps maintaining the momentum and pressure despite the dreadful weather. The prospect of better winter quarters is solid motivation at least.
However in the east the Reds step up the pressure too and make gaps in the front lines of the slightly stretched 16 Armee. Troops will have to be diverted but most importantly the timely arrival of 88 & 211 Infantry fresh from France will shore things up sufficiently to avoid disaster. Probably.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/14/2021 5:59:12 PM   
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The other end of the line startes to see increased pressure too as 11 Armee starts to struggle to maintain the line and the Romanian reserves move up to add numbers. They won't be trusted to hold alone of course.

Overall aside from some activity east of Kharkov things suspiciously quiet. Seems like the Soviets are picking their battles rather than going all out. Subsequently losses on both sides are quiet light, but also the overall Soviet numbers creep up at an alarming rate to 5.7m so mixed emotions for sure.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/14/2021 8:50:23 PM   
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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/14/2021 9:02:49 PM   
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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/14/2021 9:10:44 PM   
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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/14/2021 11:44:03 PM   
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T30 Leningrad Sector

Yes indeed, Leningrad does fall on 11th Jan 1941. 60k men versus 10k and clearly the Soviets were suffering from being battered on the run and unable to set up an adequate defence, which is what I hoped for in pressing on despite the terrible weather. I am sure there were best part of 20 divisions (though perhaps at least a few were brigades) in the perimeter though so not sure where they are now at this key moment to be honest, perhaps in an unready state in the rear. I think they left it too late to fall back and tried to maintain a large perimeter which was in no way key terrain for either of us to own, even before the city was cut off. I think we both thought the push was going to fall short and it nearly did for sure, Atatack put up a grindingly difficult defence that took a lot of effort including an extra Panzer corps attached to 4 Panzergruppe, and thus denied them being able to be released early to help against Moscow.

However easy to say now of course but in all these months Leningrad could easily have been a level 4 city fort and the other city suburbs too with well rested full CPP divisions I would have no chance to break in. Fingers crossed on the 5% roll each turn to get a corps of Finns now.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/15/2021 6:59:35 AM   
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What manner of wizard are thee that can see into the future...!

... Fingers crossed on the 5% roll each turn to get a corps of Finns now.

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well done on that, just reward for sticking to a good plan.

re the Finns, its a bit of a mixed reward to be honest. They are good etc but they come out of the Finland TB box and may leave you short there, so poss costing VP etc. Do a double count to see if its worth sending at least one back?

This is one of those areas where the event system needs a bit more conditionality. It would be useful to say that if the Germans hold Leningrad the Finland (& Northern) TB requirements can drop

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/15/2021 7:26:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it would make sense to reduce the TB requirements if that event triggers for sure. If they turn up early in blizzard they are definately useful I suspect as I think they cope with harsh winter better, but with only 8 turns I think at 5% each more likely that I miss out on them arriving I think. Its also a bit weird they don't get a Finnish corps HQ as otherswise it's also 9cp that needs to be incorporated into command that's already quite tight.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/18/2021 5:48:02 PM   
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While things go reasonably well in the north, down south a minor crisis threatens to escalate as both 6 & 17 Armee's come under pressure with gaps appearing in the line. This time 44 & 113 ID get pushed back from a hasty blocking position that was established after a previous breach. Casualties are relatively light and both divisions retire in good order, but with both now around 10k strong its probably not wise to try to counter again and accept that falling slowly back might be the best we can hope for here, trade space and time while trying to at least remain as far east of Kharkov as possible.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/18/2021 5:51:25 PM   
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Further south 11 Armee's perimeter started to look a little ragged too, but with support from 3 Romanian army in reserve and a decent supply network established we can afford to lose a little ground I think and still maintain a good bridgehead to launch summer operations from. Hopefully...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/18/2021 6:08:22 PM   
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Reminds me of an old joke, fittingly involving a bear:

A jaeger went out bear hunting one day. He saw a bear and shot it. He walked over to retrieve the dead bear but it wasn't there on the ground. Then he felt a tap on his shoulder, looks back and it was the bear who growls "Grab your ankles."
The next day, the hunter went back out with a bigger gun. Spotting the bear, he shoots him twice, then he noticed the bear was again not on the ground when he tried to retrieve it.
He gets another tap on the shoulder, the bear again says "Grab your ankles."
The next day the guy went out again, this time he had an MG42.
He saw the bear and lets rip with everything he has.
When the smoke clears he gets another tap on the shoulder.
"You're not here for the hunting are you?"

And thus 44 & 112 ID are once again vanquished by the Russians as they try to hold an exposed 'barely' fortified position.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/19/2021 6:03:46 AM   
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18 Armee secures the last quarter of the city, meanwhile counterattacks from north and east are all repelled thankfully.

However the alarm bells still ring that the Soviet roll-call continues to creep up to 5.8million. Numbers of tanks and aircraft are building up too. Losses are mostly quite light as the Red attack are limited to a few sectors, presumably the rest of the line building up and preparing for summer already.

On the supply side most Armies not getting quite what they ask for, especially those fighting and needing replacements, but nothing disastrous at any point on the line. Numbers from the divisional quartermasters are all pretty satisfactory too.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/19/2021 6:10:57 AM   
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After a quiet week the end of Jan42 see 3 strong assaults all held by 11 Armee and 1 Panzerarmee. No attacks against 6 or 17 Armee for a few weeks and the rest of the line aside from Leningrad has seen zero activity too for even longer. Either its a trap or the Soviets have given up on a major counter-offensive...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/19/2021 12:59:23 PM   
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All quiet on the eastern front throughout Feb42 aside from a cautious grind north against the displaced Leningrad garrison. 1st March see's the port fall though so while the remnants of a few divisions take their chances to rout across the ice the bulk of the forces will end up in the bag next few weeks and with it likely the winter campaign will fizzle out. Overall seems like aside from a few scares the German defences in the south had enough time to dig in a establish a good enough supply net to withstand any attacks with a little flex. If the Reds had pressed their initial breaks things might have unravelled and he certainly did a good job picking the right spots, but obviously can't know what problems were also occurring on the other side of the wire.
The relative lack of action has some consequences for 1942 now of course. While his casualties have passed 4m now they would have been much higher in an all out offensive and now back over 6m men under arms seems pretty healthy. In terms of the front lines while we never got as close to Moscow as history we are certainly more advanced than the end of winter and holding Kalinin and Tula is good news for us, as is having a firm base in Rostov. These 3 railheads give us solid options for the summer and while winter is not officially over yet we are certainly giving more serious thought to our next moves.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/21/2021 7:28:38 PM   
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11 Armee sends out patrols to establish where the Soviet front line is, and aside from some skirmishes with a loose screen of Rifle brigades they find none so it turns into a reconnaissance in force 40/50miles south.
Subsequently 1 Panzerarmee also starts to send out fighting patrols to find the enemy main line of resistance. Its out there somewhere I'm sure...






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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 7:03:31 AM   
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18 Armee collapses the last resistance in Leningrad putting circa 80k prisoners in the bag. We will start to consolidate here now and consider what to do with 4 Panzerarmee next now it is effectively released finally.
Still the Soviet orbat looking much more healthy at 6.3m though...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 7:10:11 AM   
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All of AGS take advantage of the end of blizzard conditions to skirmish forward against fairly light resistance. Mostly a screen of brigades. The Reds are hiding their massed millions somewhere, but playing cards pretty close to his chest I think. No doubt there will be some horrible horde lurking somewhere and no doubt it will hurt... Anyway, forward into the belly of the beast... I expect Stalingrad to be pretty well dug in, and the Voronezh riverline too but thats a way off. If we can start summer closer though with raillines already extended that has to be a good thing. Probably.




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 12:33:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect he's hiding the Red Army in the depths of the USSR because the Soviet player is not worried about sudden victory rules. So he may draw you into combat in areas with few railways.

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 12:42:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		he's still got to match the HWM in december 1944 - that test remains.

So giving up too much in 1942 creates the dual problems of a too high a target (remember the base line numbers are asymetric) and needing to take a lot of ground to achieve it?

think this is a fascinating game, well reported with lots of neat ideas

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 4:05:04 PM   
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Yes on both counts I think. I guess he is playing the long game and preserving his forces to fight on grounds of his own chosing, but if in the meantime I have amassed so many bonus points he will have trouble matching these with the future juggernaut. Losing Leningrad was definitely an upset to his plans, and very lucky break for me I think that could have gone the other way if I hadn't also added an extra corps, but he didn't necessarily do anything wrong except perhaps pulling an intact force back to level 4 city hexes while he had a chance. However I think his first big mistake might have been to give the Axis an easy ride in blizzard allowing this early offensive before the mud kicks in. I will be 100-200miles deeper when the summer kicks in, and in fact have options solid interesting options to go deep into the Caucasus or to go for hard for Moscow...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 5:56:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		What are the MP and fuel of your tanks like in the south? Are you facing any real logistical constraint that you notice? Also are you concerned about spring mud at all, with you advancing now during winter? Does it feel like you can basically just drive to Baku and Stalingrad unopposed, and do you think there is anything AtAtack could do to stop you, if they wanted to?

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/25/2021 8:54:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Out of the gates when the weather changed the Panzerkorps attached to 11 Armee was full CPP and full tanks and was ready to roll, with only a few Rifle brigades to sweep aside it wasn't a problem to reach Krasnodar even having to trace supply back to Rostov as the rail teams were in the interior creating alternate parallel routes to the front. I was only expecting at first to get 30-40 miles before hitting serious resistance. As it is we've [spoiler] taken Krasnodar on turn 42. Supplies were starting to get lower at this point and we know there are troops nearby so will wait out the mud here and let the rail catch up. We are already way ahead of historical, where we'd be starting with the railhead at Stalino so not going to push our luck getting caught out. Its as far from Rostov to Baku as it is from Kiev, we wouldn't be able to push all the way there without supplies close by. However we already covered 1/3rd of the distance already and will take that as a solid bonus.

In the direction of Stalingrad 1 Panzerarmee got more like 70 miles from our winter startline before we hit more resistance and likewise we will wait here for better weather and supplies to push fresh after the mud clears rather than ruining the panzers. If the infantry see's opportunities to advance they will take them though. The Red's were a bit more protective of the goal here.

T41 AGC

Army Group Centre meanwhile has stayed pretty solid in front of Moscow, although we pressed forward in a few key hexes we wanted to take and have a bridgehead across the river. But on the eastern flank, same as AGS seeing a lose screen of rifle brigades we reached close to Voronezh and stand aa good chance of enveloping the city if the weather hold off from mud for bit longer. Either way like in the south once the rail catches up and the mud clears we should be in a good position to weigh up the options for further east, south or Moscow...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/26/2021 7:22:42 PM   
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While 11 Armee captures and consolidates Krasnodar, a combined effort from 2 Armee's breakthrough north of Voronezh and 2 Panzers exploitation sees Voronezh all but surrounded. Mud will hit soon but its pretty doomed to fall which puts us in a good pivot point to begin the summer campaign properly when it kicks off. Lots of decisions to be made, and honestly I've not made them yet as this little offensive went a little better than planned...!





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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/26/2021 7:34:43 PM   
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Here is the overview of the entire front as it stands. 11 Armee won't go much further until the rails catch up and the muds dry. 4 Pz in strategic reserve while we decide what to do with it.
The rail network is in much better shape than start of winter with a parallel line in the south of the main axis which takes in many new railyards, but ideally when the 5th FBD arrives another parallel line to the north of the main supply line will be added too. Otherwise to the north also some work to be done to repair the double-track now cleared behind the front to allow supplies and reserves to traverse. Otherwise the focus is on the new territory in the centre and south.
Otherwise logistically we lost 105k trucks, which is about 2.4k per turn. Sounds pretty horrific is scale but fits with the target Jubjub suggested earlier so I will bow to his wisdom on that!

Soviets numbers look reasonably healthy. 4.5m casualties but 6.4 under arms with a growing tank corps and a large air force training in reserve.

VPs sitting at 724. If this was sudden death things would be in reach but as it stands I hope to be able to continue to add a solid HWM target to beat. We'll see... Voronezh we can tentatively chalk up. As to the rest TBC...




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/26/2021 9:55:56 PM   
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There are some really long truck supply lines. These look like they are beyond the maximum 30 hexes so I guess they must be related to units that moved during the turn.
There is another truck statistic in the Logistics report, something like "trucks lost due to movement" are you able to show that figure?

How are you Panzer Divisions looking, have you been able to replace AFV losses?




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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/26/2021 11:16:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glad you find it interesting, its a nice record for me too. I enjoyed doing a WITW AAR against QBall a few years ago but haven't had time since with work and family etc but been enjoying putting this together. Be nice to hear Atatacks thoughts afterwards too, but all in good time we will find out what he has been scheming I'm sure...

Yes I think those long trails in the centre are from 4 Panzergruppe units railed to the Minsk area to regroup, I'd be surprised if they weren't in reality getting supplies from local depots. Otherwise the 11 Armee is a way off Rostov but we flew in supplies to Krasnodar and next turn they were circa 75% for fuel and supplies. Not that they are going far now for a few weeks I think, but the railhead is now halfway to them in T44.

A couple of panzer divisions in 4 Panzergruppe were working hard right through winter, one in particular looking a bit sad at at 20 Afvs, but all the rest are pretty near to full complement having had a fairly quiet winter in depots and cities in immediate reserve behind the line. None went home on leave. Also none of the panzer replacement battalions utilised yet and there are still PzIIIs in the pool too, but perhaps only about 150ish from memory. I'll try to have a proper look next turn I get. I expect them all to be close to full strength in time for the next action.

As an aside I didn't get a screenshot but couple turns ago the German corps of 3 divisions that's been sitting idle in Crimea guarding against possible amphibious trickery tried to cross at Kerch but rebounded, not with many losses but that backdoor to link up to 11 Armee is still closed. I was reading about the Soviet Kerch landings in winter 41 Battle_of_the_Kerch_Peninsula. Didn't realise what a drama it was and a long bloody campaign that saw 350k Soviet losses apparently. That didn't happen this game but I didn't want to take all of 11 Armee out after Sevastapol fell just to have the Romanians lose it!

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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/27/2021 9:58:45 AM   
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So, maybe my memory of the state of the Panzer divisions was a little rose-tinted in places, but this is the current state of the Panzerwaffe across all theatres. As mentioned 3rd and 8th were working hard in the north and are on the roster to ship back to France for a well earned break on the beach. 24th & 25th will rotate in to replace them. Otherwise the rest should be fine to refit for a few weeks. As mentioned all the panzer replacement battalions are unused so far and there are about 750 panzers in the pool to fit out the current divisions. I think we will be in reasonable state when summer comes ready to roll over the start line.







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RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC... - 11/29/2021 12:49:53 AM   
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Looks like the forecast was wrong and the mud starts to clear up in patches, at least in the centre and a window opens to end the siege of Voronezh. We can consolidate the rail next week and then the tough decisions need to be made about the grand scheme for a second summer of battles. If we can find where the enemy is of course. Like our allies in War in the Pacific, around about this very time actually, we can 'probably' capture anything we set our ambitions on, but not everything...






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