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ORIGINAL: kondor

I have a question about Rumania (and Hungary). When will they join the Axis forces?
In the manual, I've found only a reference about them getting Pro-axis, not joining, like in this game.
But when will they join? Did I do something wrong to deter them from joining earlier?

Here's the manual Pro-axis part:

"Rumania Border War (75%)

With this Event, Rumania will become Pro-Axis and will gain four Militia units. Additionally,
Bulgaria and Hungary will each shift one state towards the Axis (if already Balanced or Leaning
Axis). For this to occur, the following conditions must be met:
- Rumania is neutral;
- Rumania is a Leaning Axis or Pro-Axis state(i.e., it cannot be friendly, either Leaning or
Pro-, towards the Allies, or Balanced);
- The Soviets must control the Kiev region; and
- The Event check must be successful"

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ORIGINAL: rjh1971

quote:

ORIGINAL: kondor

I have a question about Rumania (and Hungary). When will they join the Axis forces?
In the manual, I've found only a reference about them getting Pro-axis, not joining, like in this game.
But when will they join? Did I do something wrong to deter them from joining earlier?

Here's the manual Pro-axis part:

"Rumania Border War (75%)

With this Event, Rumania will become Pro-Axis and will gain four Militia units. Additionally,
Bulgaria and Hungary will each shift one state towards the Axis (if already Balanced or Leaning
Axis). For this to occur, the following conditions must be met:
- Rumania is neutral;
- Rumania is a Leaning Axis or Pro-Axis state(i.e., it cannot be friendly, either Leaning or
Pro-, towards the Allies, or Balanced);
- The Soviets must control the Kiev region; and
- The Event check must be successful"

From the manual

10.4.2 Changing Neutral Diplomacy States

Several player actions listed in this section can improve or worsen their diplomatic relations with
neutral countries. When these actions are taken (such as attacking a rival neighbor as described
below) and a random number from 0 to 99 is less than the Nationality’s Diplomatic Volatility
Rating squared, then the Nationality’s Diplomacy State will change.
For example, a Balanced neutral Nationality’s Diplomatic Volatility Rating is 5 and Germany attacks
another Balanced neutral country. The chance that the former Nationality’s Diplomacy State will
change to Leaning Allied is 25%. This number 5 is squared – multiplied by itself – to result in 25 (five
times five). If the random number is between zero and 24, the Diplomacy State will change (so a neutral
with a volatility of 5 has a 25% chance to change its State whenever it has reason to check for a State
change).
The only exception to this is Trade Agreements, where success occurs if a random number from
0 to 9 is less than the Nationality’s Volatility Rating.

.....

Attacking a Rival Neighbour.

When a player attacks a neutral that is Pro- or Leaning to their opponent, then any adjacent
neutral that is Pro- or Leaning to the attacker may change its Diplomatic State. Also, when a
player attacks and captures a land region (not a sea region) that was controlled by his opponent,
there is a chance that any adjacent neutral that is Pro- or Leaning to the attacker will change its
Diplomatic State.
Nationalities with a Leaning state may change to a Pro- state. Nationalities with a Pro- state
may offer to join the attacking player’s side. For the effect this has on other neutrals, refer to
Attacking Other Neutrals, below. Neutral countries that are attacked will not offer to become
part of another World Power’s side until the start of that World Power’s turn.
After a neutral is attacked, but BEFORE it is given the chance to join a World Power (at the start of
the player’s turn that the neutral is going to join), the region info text will display a Neutral State
of either Axis or Allied depending on which side the neutral is going to attempt to join.

Attacking a Friendly Neutral

Attacking a neutral country that is friendly to the player is not a wise option, as it will have farreaching
repercussions. Sometimes, however, the player may have little choice but to do so in
order to exploit a favorable situation (e.g. give them a chance to attack another country, such as
Germany attacking Turkey to gain an additional route into the Soviet Union).
When a player attacks a neutral that is Pro- or Leaning to his side, this will affect other neutrals
that are Pro- or Leaning to his side AND those with a Balanced state. All neutrals that are Leaning
to that player have a chance to shift to Balanced. All neutrals that are Pro- towards that player
have a chance to shift to a Leaning state. All neutrals with a Balanced state have a chance to shift
to a status that is Leaning to the attacking player’s opponent.
Attacking Other Neutrals
When a player attacks a neutral that is Leaning or Pro- his opponent or has a Balanced state, it
has a chance to cause:
- Neutrals with a Balanced state to become Leaning to the attacker’s opponent.
- Neutrals with a state that is Leaning to the attacker’s opponent to become Pro- to the attacker’s
opponent.

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ORIGINAL: tcart

The axis minors was bad luck indeed. I wonder if not taking Greece in one go affected the outcome. It's very rare that Rumania doesn't join, though I have seen it happen. It's extremely annoying.

I think the Russians lost their bonus last turn, though I didn't check. I'm pretty sure it's the first winter that they are in the war.

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ORIGINAL: kondor

US intelligence has done a great job pinpointing those IJN CV-s.

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