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Interception on surprise turn - 10/21/2021 6:52:50 PM

Courtenay

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In one of the current AARs, the US just declared war on Germany. A few US naval units attempted to move through the North Atlantic, which was occupied by many CW units and at least one German SUB. The German SUB successfully intercepted, and the US stopped in the sea area.

What would have happened if the US had attempted to fight through? If the CW ships had found, then there would have been a battle where neither side had much surprise (since both sides found), and the Germans would probably have come off worse. My question is what would happen if the Allies did not find with their other units. The battle would have just been between the US ships and the Germans; the Germans could not add in any other Allied units in the sea area to the battle, because that is the way interception works. The question is, would the Germans have suffered the effects of surprise? The rule reads:

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If a port attack or a naval combat at sea only involves units controlled by major powers declaring war, and the major powers they are declaring war on, the surprised units always get 0 surprise points. The attacking major powers get the normal number (this will increase the number of net surprise points the attacker can spend, if there is any combat).
Clarification: A surprised major power may attempt to intercept a moving enemy naval force but if they do so, they get zero surprise points.

The question is what does "involve" mean? There are CW units in the sea area, but only US units are participating in the combat. I would think that means that the CW is not "involved", but am not sure. If only the US has units involved then the US would have a surprise advantage, and it would not matter if the Allies rolled a 10 for their search.

If the Allies do not find, are the Germans surprised, or not? (They clearly aren't if the CW finds, but then the Germans have other problems.)

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RE: Interception on surprise turn - 10/22/2021 3:17:35 AM

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You go by the search rolls. If the CW units are included then there is no surprise. If only the US units are found then the German units are surprised. If everybody finds then there is no surprise.

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RE: Interception on surprise turn - 10/22/2021 3:28:54 PM

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Thank you. That is what I thought. If that is the case, the Germans made a mistake intercepting, and the Allies made a mistake not fighting through.

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RE: Interception on surprise turn - 10/22/2021 3:52:58 PM

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Not sure if the Germans made a mistake. After all, it made the TRS stop.

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RE: Interception on surprise turn - 10/22/2021 8:10:30 PM

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I hadn't even thought about the TRS. It was the the three CVs that, even in the storm, looked like they would inflict a D on the German SUB with no loss to the Allies that bothered me. Although, come to think of it, the TRS should have fought through, too. The worst that could happen to it would have been an A.

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