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Moving UK troops into France - 10/22/2021 11:59:13 AM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		So I have had trouble with this but understood it as if I had to move an HQ unit first, so that works, but I cant move any other units due to " the foreign troop commintment limit for France will not be satisfied" I have tried to read the manual but still dont get it
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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/22/2021 12:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Posting a picture of the situation might help figure this out.

The one suspect is that you moved ships into France along with the HQ. Ships do count against the HQ limit of troops allowed into France.

One common mistake is to ship Gort (HQI) into France on a TRS. And then try to send another TRS into France with another land unit. This is not allowed because Gort only allows two additional units into France. And two TRS + another land unit is three units....

< Message edited by Orm -- 10/22/2021 12:04:29 PM >

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/22/2021 5:21:41 PM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		You were right, so another HQ means more units?

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/22/2021 8:42:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, each HQ allows more units. Safe way to get units early in game is send them to Bay of Biscay and debark them to Western France. Then walk or rail to Belgian border. For example Gort, MECH and MOT.

ARM HQ from Egypt is one option. In this case Axis may try to push to Egypt as there is less units.

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/22/2021 8:45:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, more HQs mean more units. For the CW in '39-'40, you only want land units in France. No TRSs, no air units.

Move the land units into France by stopping the TRSs carrying them at sea, and having the land units debark into France.

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 5:16:20 AM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		So you said Gort allows Gort plus 2 units? But I just moved Gort+Mech corps, elite Inf corps and Inf div, so thats Gort plus 3 units? So how many units can a HQ allow?

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 10:41:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		If that is so, it's a bug.

However:

- Isn't there any other HQ in France?
- Are they all in France or some in Belgium?
- Was there another HQ qhen they got in? The limit is for getting in, no need for the HQ to stay all the time...
- ...

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 7:12:41 PM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		Nope, no other HQ and it is still there, I did have a bomber but moved that out. I can not add another corps/army. Maybe its HQ plus 2 corps/army?

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 7:41:13 PM   
Joseignacio


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Status: offline 		It's HQ + 2 more units of any kind (except convoys, because several CONV count as 1 ship).
That is, with a factor 2 HQ like Gort or the other one you start with.

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 10:52:09 PM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 11:04:37 PM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		Might have used an amph unit but didnt go into port

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/25/2021 11:12:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gratch1111

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units


Then that's a bug.

No more than 2 units plus Gort can be in France anytime. Assuming Wavell has never been to France, which is what I understand from your explanations and from the initial setup (and you probably didnt send him in and out of France).

Had Wavell been to France as well, up to 4 units could have entered, apart from the two Hqs, then one or both HQ could have left. But that doesnt seem to be the case.

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/26/2021 12:44:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gratch1111

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units


Then that's a bug.

No more than 2 units plus Gort can be in France anytime. Assuming Wavell has never been to France, which is what I understand from your explanations and from the initial setup (and you probably didnt send him in and out of France).

Had Wavell been to France as well, up to 4 units could have entered, apart from the two Hqs, then one or both HQ could have left. But that doesnt seem to be the case.


You can breakdown a corps into two divisions. Since the corps started the step in France, there is no problem regarding FTC rules. That might explain the difference.

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/26/2021 1:21:22 PM   
Joseignacio


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ORIGINAL: Centuur


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gratch1111

I first moved Gort with a transport, then tried sending another unit into port but as said that makes 4 so wouldnt work. So sent tran into NS and then moved unit into port without tran. In Fra I now have Gort, II Inf corps, 15th mech corps and 2nd inf div. The any other HQ unit I think uk has is wavell Armoured Army group and that is in Egypt and never left. Fran has 2 HQ units


Then that's a bug.

No more than 2 units plus Gort can be in France anytime. Assuming Wavell has never been to France, which is what I understand from your explanations and from the initial setup (and you probably didnt send him in and out of France).

Had Wavell been to France as well, up to 4 units could have entered, apart from the two Hqs, then one or both HQ could have left. But that doesnt seem to be the case.


You can breakdown a corps into two divisions. Since the corps started the step in France, there is no problem regarding FTC rules. That might explain the difference.



You could have been right (although that split is usually not considered a good, to idea to divide corps of the BEF in divisions). However, that's not the case:

quote:

But I just moved Gort+Mech corps, elite Inf corps and Inf div


< Message edited by Joseignacio -- 10/26/2021 1:22:08 PM >

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RE: Moving UK troops into France - 10/27/2021 9:27:14 AM   
Gratch1111

 

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Status: offline 		didnt split anything, just the original units are moved and not split afterwards

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