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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 12:42:31 PM

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Well, I didn't post anyone's work. Just simply found it as a result of searching and downloaded for myself. (Also, any legal issues depend on where the owner {not creator} of those files is domociled, where the actual server is located, and where was I when I downloaded. And are the hosted files simply on a storage service, or is the service a publisher. No one is going to litigate this unless we are talking some serious $$$.)

The topo and Yamamoto stuff was quite nice, and the various HEX handling was innovative.

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Actually, I am in such a situation now. David Heath former owner of Matrix, and Dave O'Connor owner/developer of Panther Games (now published by Lock and Load) are selling the new iteration of RDOA/HTTR/COTA/BFTB/CO1 as CO2. I have a ton of content which I created here for the prior games which would still be of use to players.

But technically, it is the property of Matrix games. Sadly, I cannot make it available to the public as there are potential legal issues. Oh, well ...

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A rather simplistic, and not necessarily accurate representation of the legal position.

I wonder just how far your legal exposition would be supported by lawyers who have produced AE mods. Specifically thinking of the DaBabes family headed by a patent attorney partner, or IanR (sorry Ian I don't know your field of legal specialisation) with his campaign mod which continues until the end of the 1940s.

It does however provide an excellent fig leaf to avoid having your work exposed to public scrutiny.

Alfred

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 12:46:52 PM

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Then, he can ban me and continue his policy of hurting sales. As an employee or beta, you have a fiduciary responsibility. Read the beta agreement. See what happens to you as a beta if you leak an internal memo that HOI4 is better than the GG series for the following reasons �

You may say that as a customer. But being an employee or beta is not a democracy in the USA; maybe the UK?

Ah, confirmation you have no legal qualifications.

"Fiduciary responsibility", one of those legal terms much misunderstood by non lawyers.

Alfred

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 12:50:48 PM

Trugrit

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Alfred,

I think we should give him a little slack.

He is obviously intimidated by joining the forum since most of us know so much
more about the game than he does. That is why he feels he needs to puff himself up.

He should have left his credentials at home.
He didn�t need to post a full page ad so everyone would be impressed by who he is.

I don�t care if he is a Beta, Alpha, Omega, Phi Beta Kappa, head of his class
Or master of the war-gaming universe. It does not matter to me.

Ian should have curbed his nihilism.

And��.You did slap him pretty hard out of the box.

I agree that sometimes you are very rude and you should really try and control yourself before
you begin to frighten young children on the street for not having a game manual.

You did not discourage him from buying this game or Matrix products.
I don�t think he can site anyone who does not buy Matrix products
Because they were scared off by you. That would be a very timid war-gamer.

I don�t want to see you run off the forum if I have anything to say about it
and I do have something to say about it even if I�m a nobody.

You have helped hundreds of WITP-AE players understand this game over the past ten years.
So far he has helped zero, none, nada players with this game.
But�.we should give him a chance.

I also don�t want to see him go crying to mama Matrix every time you hurt his feelings.
We have a very good moderator on this forum and he does not need any help.

He did not make a great start on the forum but I think that will improve with time when he gets
more confident with the game.

We should help him along and welcome him to a small pond.

Tanaka maybe a different case.

I think he has trouble reading for comprehension.
That is not an unusual problem with some people.

I had a very good friend who failed several grades in school because while he
could read he just could not understand what he was reading.
That has got to be frustrating.

This game takes a lot of reading.

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 12:57:50 PM

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...Where is Nemo when he could be useful for something like this?

Actually, you don't have to pine for Nemo. Mind_messing is possibly just as qualified. Whether he views it as being worthwhile to come in is a different matter. Frankly I don't see why he or anyone else similarly qualified (and there may well be other AE forumites) would bother wasting their time. Me, well being the victim of several ad hominem attacks in this thread, especially as I have a finely tuned radar for BS. And no, BS doesn't stand for Bachelor of Science.

Alfred

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 1:26:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

...Where is Nemo when he could be useful for something like this?

Actually, you don't have to pine for Nemo. Mind_messing is possibly just as qualified. Whether he views it as being worthwhile to come in is a different matter. Frankly I don't see why he or anyone else similarly qualified (and there may well be other AE forumites) would bother wasting their time. Me, well being the victim of several ad hominem attacks in this thread, especially as I have a finely tuned radar for BS. And no, BS doesn't stand for Bachelor of Science.

Alfred

There is the BS degree, then there is the More S degree, then the Pile it Higher and Deeper degree. I know someone who got an EdD degree instead of the Pile it Higher and Deeper degree because he said that he would not learn anything new.

I did not know Mind_messings qualifications. Maybe I should stay away from him

so he does not analyze me too much . . .

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 3:08:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

...Where is Nemo when he could be useful for something like this?

Actually, you don't have to pine for Nemo. Mind_messing is possibly just as qualified. Whether he views it as being worthwhile to come in is a different matter. Frankly I don't see why he or anyone else similarly qualified (and there may well be other AE forumites) would bother wasting their time. Me, well being the victim of several ad hominem attacks in this thread, especially as I have a finely tuned radar for BS. And no, BS doesn't stand for Bachelor of Science.

Alfred

Unfortunately not - Nemo's domain was clinical in nature, if I recall correctly, and working with groups with particularly complex needs.

That said, one does not need to be a fully qualified psychiatrist (with bells, whistles and all) in order to be able to form a hypothesis or two. There's been a fair degree of confirmation bias on the forum recently.

Also on show is the old authority argument. I am a "Matrix beta" (whatever that is), with the implication that it carries some weight.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I did not know Mind_messings qualifications. Maybe I should stay away from him so he does not analyze me too much . . .

I wouldn't worry too much - analysis of behaviour in the digital space is vastly different from the real world. Completely different rules of engagement - for one the digital space rarely has substantial consequences, and there is often the comfort of anonymity. Less so in real life.

There is a whole literature around the stark difference in online (mis)behaviour generally (but particularly by males towards females) from what would be expected from actual face-to-face interaction.

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 3:09:26 PM

Admiral DadMan

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Ok, everyone out of the pool.

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RE: What are extended maps? - 11/13/2021 5:22:30 PM

Erik Rutins

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Alfred,

Your initial reply was in fact rude. Mark did respond with an ad hominem, which made things worse, but instead of trying to find a way to make peace you then followed up with a series of ad hominem rant posts, the result of which was in fact to drive an old wargamer who was just about to get into WITP-AE completely away from the game and the forum. This thread was reported for moderation and our goal in this forum is to be a friendly and civil community that encourages new players and does not drive them away.

As he who cast the first stone here and followed it up with a bucket of rocks, you've got a one week vacation from the forum to think over how to follow the forum rules. Be civil and aim for de-escalation rather than the other way around.

Regards,

- Erik

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