RangerJoe
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People are afraid to post to the forum anymore for fear of attack. Maybe we can finally clean this place back up and make it a welcoming non-toxic forum again.
You are confusing toxicity with robust challenge.
Having incorrect information corrected, misinformation or inaccuracy addressed is a positive outcome for the forum.
The problem is that there are a number of individuals who take being told that they're wrong all too personally.
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A lot of YouTubers like XTRG, THG, and SGD are bringing a lot of new players to this game. Even the post I made about that was attacked. All level players and youtubers should be welcomed not chastised. This forum is just as much a place for newbies as it is vets. Welcome Mark! We are glad to have you!
That is a blatant misrepresentation, not backed up by the facts.
You posted links to Youtube videos of both Lodrik and Strategy Gaming Dojo covering their ongoing game. You presented this as a "Good Japanese Primer".
Alfred pointed out (quite correctly) that there were a number of factual errors in the content produced by both players.
Promotion of such material without the appropriate caveats (that both players are relatively new to the game and not subject experts) and having it used instead of an authoritative source (e.g the manual, informed forum denizens) leads to a negative feedback loop (curiously enough and again, quite correctly, pointed out by Alfred).
XTRG, THG, and SGD are doing the community a service in promoting the game, but there's also the potential for misinformation to be propagated. I don't think XTRG, THG, or SDG would describe themselves as experts at the game. The content then produced needs to be treated appropriately.
I am happy to be challenged.[...]
From the kneejerk response that you have since edited, I'm not sure that's really the case. Nevertheless I'll proceed on the assumption that it is the case.
If not from challenge, where does the toxicity that you refer to originate from?
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So we can't post links to a good YT series we think others might enjoy or get something out of now? Yes I think Lodrik offers some good Japanese game play. Better than any other YouTubers I have seen. Those guys are not newbies to the game but they don't know everything. Not that they were the Gods of WITPAE. But they still offer a lot of good tips and observations. We all do. We all get things wrong about this game. That's why we all love it.
The issue was not posting links to YT series that others might enjoy. If it had been framed as such
The issue was that you posted links to YT series with the thread title "Great Japanese Primer Highly Recommend. This guy knows his stuff".
Alfred, joined by other long-term members of the forum, pointed out the issues and implications of doing this.
From a superficial examination, neither of those videos positions itself as a primer. That seems to have been you addition. To your credit, you have since edited that post and title to make it less hagiographic.
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As I said [...] so great.
I'll refer you to the witty comment I made earlier.
All men may be created equal, but they were not endowed by their Creator with equal knowledge of how the mechanics of AE work. The challenge lies in knowing the difference.
Alfred is one of those endowed with greater knowledge in the domain of AE.
Toxicity results from someone that acts like they own the forum, acts like they are the gatekeeper of the game and the forum, responds in kind to posts, goes on egocentric rants about people and the questions they ask on the forum...I could go on and on...
I've never questioned Alfred's knowledge of the game only his poor egocentric I AM GOD attitude towards others. You are blinded by something if you do not see that and if you think I am the only one that sees that you are kidding yourself...
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4997335&mpage=1&key=
And yes I think watching Lodrik play as the Japanese is a good beginner (primer) series to watch. So shoot me.
What do you want to be shot with?
At this point a shot of alcohol.
The only thing that I could help you with is "Fireball" whiskey which I purchased yesterday. It is for cooking and baking purposes. You know, put it in with the eggs for your "French" toast or maybe in a spice cake or soak raisins in it to put into a cake.
https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/fireball-whisky/
Yeah I can't stand Fireball for drinking (can't stand the candy either) but never had it in a recipe interesting.
Have you ever had Peanut Butter whiskey before? Don't knock it until you try it. Damn is it good for sipping straight up!
https://skrewballwhiskey.com/
Nope, I never had Peanut Butter whiskey.
I have pretty much quit drinking the hard stuff. Giving away only two little "Dixie" cups worth from a litre of Jack Daniels Black label, finishing that and then remembering giving the same amount away from a litre of Hennessy cognac while consuming that much and the next day being informed that I had finished that . . .
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