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Pilot training and supply - 11/14/2021 8:14:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stock. 8/45. Supply becoming a serious issue.

Supply in the Empire has been declining gradually for the past couple of years but it seems to be accelerating. I haven't lost a significant amount of production so far in the war. I have no shortages of fuel or resources. At the present time naval and merchant production is almost turned off and there's very little in the pipeline. Air production is largely idle as I haven't lost a lot of planes, production on Ki-83s and Sams is maxed out but not much else is going on. Engine factories are at max though I could possibly feather some of that down a tad. Armaments factories have been idle for months but vehicle factories are all on. Combat lately is fairly tepid and I'm not losing a significant amount of supply to bombing. I suppose the size of my forces is the main drag and I have replacements and upgrades turned on for all units. I've turned off base and fortification enlargement almost everywhere. There is no repair going on anywhere of factories, resources, oil or refineries.

One thing I wonder about is all the bleeping training squadrons I've gotten this year, and I have been drawing forward recruits into them. What they're doing is great but I'm not sure I need it. Could that process be drawing a lot of supply and what should I do? Disband all or most of them?

Here's some snapshots from the past year.




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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/15/2021 5:21:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know about pilots in the training schools, but flying aircraft for whatever purpose uses supply. Can't you make some origami airplanes for the pilots to learn their maneuvers with?

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/15/2021 6:12:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Replacements and upgrades of LCU devices and aircraft use supply.
From memory, for new LCU devices it’s 1 supply per load cost of each device, so thousands of supply are needed for each new Division to fill the TOE.
Maintaining all your troops also uses supply with bigger LCUs having more mouths to feed.
Flying aircraft uses supply based on the type of aircraft and mission, but my money is on your LCUs being the main culprit from what you describe.


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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/15/2021 8:46:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Believe planes on training take 50% of supplies as if flying active missions.

You can stand down eg. the 2 + 4E planes but still keep the 1E training, supply is measured on engine numbers. Certainly a part of this may be the culprit , but also guess the land units are to blame when you are in 45 already the IJ has gotten a lot but mostly crap or average units.

I have no proof for this but perhaps put units on rest and stop also replacements then they may safe supplies

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/15/2021 3:11:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose I could disband most of the mostly useless FP squadrons. They aren't very efficient even as trainers.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 12:18:07 AM   
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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 12:24:50 AM   
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Armaments factories have been idle for months


You're confusing HI and supply here, at least it seems that way. Armaments factories consume HI, of which you have an abundance.

Now disbursements of armaments will consume supply.


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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 8:19:44 AM   
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I suppose I could disband most of the mostly useless FP squadrons. They aren't very efficient even as trainers.


Yup disband a dozen of em you need lest. Plus use my advise for land units. Perhaps also disband some land units you can live without? Then track the situation for 10 turns.

You can also try tracker it may help to identify issues..

Contrary to you I just bought back 5-6 float plane units from sunken ships. I am bit short on nav pilots but I "swim" in supply (9/43). The air unit arrivals are still quite rare for the IJN..also the recon ones had to be withdraw recently a bit of a "bummer"

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 11:59:06 AM   
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Armaments factories have been idle for months


You're confusing HI and supply here, at least it seems that way. Armaments factories consume HI, of which you have an abundance.

Now disbursements of armaments will consume supply.



Pilot training also consumes HI.

There was a thread recently (I.E. in the last 2 years or so) about turning HI off in India & Australia. I can't find it ATM, but IIRC we are talking about the "off-map" pilot training.

Perhaps someone has a link.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 8:26:05 PM   
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Yup disband a dozen of em you need lest. Plus use my advise for land units. Perhaps also disband some land units you can live without? Then track the situation for 10 turns.

You can also try tracker it may help to identify issues..





Out of curiosity I looked around for LCUs to disband and I couldn't find any where the "disband unit" command wasn't grayed out.

Also, I've used Tracker before and swear by it but for whatever reason when I began this PBEM I couldn't get it to work and just gave up on it. If I start another I'll definitely try and get it working.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 8:49:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		You disband Jap units by banzaing them into the Americans. They want to die for the emperor. Return to civilian life is not an (disband) option.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/16/2021 9:16:52 PM   
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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/17/2021 2:34:10 PM   
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Out of curiosity I looked around for LCUs to disband and I couldn't find any where the "disband unit" command wasn't grayed out.



I can disband units in Tokio and as Allies I believe SF (I never bothered to disband as Allied player so not sure as they have too much stuff anyways from 43 on at least )

Not sure if restricted units can be disbanded, try it out - track your supplies and report back to help others too w/ the info, thx.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/17/2021 5:10:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sydney and Dehli as well for the Allies. I think Vancouver for the Canadians as well.

I don't think that restricted units can be disbanded.

Units that are due to be withdrawn can't be disbanded either.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/19/2021 7:06:53 PM   
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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/19/2021 7:28:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		You’ve set devices to not upgrade, but units have to be in rest mode for their TOE to upgrade.
Setting them to rest triggered TOE upgrades, but with replacements off those new TOE won’t fill with extra or upgraded devices.
You definitely want the radars that are in those AA Regt upgraded TOEs.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/19/2021 8:33:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some AA might even upgrade to 12cm! This should not be missed. Radar is very important too. Seems supply is bit more now...

Is this game a PBM btw? And what scen? In scen2 you should be better off w/ supply



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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/19/2021 10:02:32 PM   
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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/19/2021 10:05:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, I'll be systematically getting all the AA upgraded. No problem, it's not busy at the moment.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/19/2021 11:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		In scenario 1 the JAAF Base Forces get radar if you leave device upgrades for them on, but the JAAF AF Bns don’t.
IJNAF Base Forces and JNAFUs all get radars as device upgrades, so check them out too.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 12:59:44 AM   
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So, I'll be systematically getting all the AA upgraded. No problem, it's not busy at the moment.



So you are in 1945 in a PBM and it is NOT busy ?
Can you tell a bit about the game I am curious
Also I noted you have much fuel, is any HI turned off? Or is Hi somewhere out of fuel and you need to ship it there?

Edit:
Jdsrae, one needs to install a fix that one of the IJA AF unit types does update the radar at all - error in database.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 2:45:13 AM   
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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 2:48:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		We've had a couple of carrier battles. The list here is pretty accurate but some of the names on the Allied ships are wrong, and the Enterprise was not sunk (it wasn't even present at that battle).




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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 3:19:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well if you do not work on your supply the empire might crumble anyways - are these all carrier losses? Seems he has still most of the big CVs...You mean he prefers more a Drôle de guerre :)

How can Japan attack the soviets before their historical date? I thought this is not possible or only if the garrison drops below 8k (iirc) there is chance the soviets activate before that. Also the soviet tank units plus the mighty arty should crush the IJA - they have not enough capable AT / own tanks

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 3:56:00 AM   
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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 4:00:22 AM   
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We've had a couple of carrier battles. The list here is pretty accurate but some of the names on the Allied ships are wrong, and the Enterprise was not sunk (it wasn't even present at that battle).



Often FoW will change ship names. So you probably sank a CV, but one not named Enterprise.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 4:24:22 AM   
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Well if you do not work on your supply the empire might crumble anyways - are these all carrier losses? Seems he has still most of the big CVs...You mean he prefers more a Drôle de guerre :)

How can Japan attack the soviets before their historical date? I thought this is not possible or only if the garrison drops below 8k (iirc) there is chance the soviets activate before that. Also the soviet tank units plus the mighty arty should crush the IJA - they have not enough capable AT / own tanks


Before August all that good Soviet stuff is in Europe. Europe is their top priority until Germany falls. If I had invaded long before that I imagine I could've done a lot of damage in the Soviet Far East and made those troops fight there way onto the map when they were released in June. As it is I cut the trans-Siberian railroad West of Lake Baikal. He's cleared that incursion since then, but it's still cut in several places East of LB.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 4:28:16 AM   
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We've had a couple of carrier battles. The list here is pretty accurate but some of the names on the Allied ships are wrong, and the Enterprise was not sunk (it wasn't even present at that battle).



Often FoW will change ship names. So you probably sank a CV, but one not named Enterprise.


No, I sank one, the Victorious, but it ended up in the report as two, the Formidible and the Enterprise. One ship sinking reported twice. It had taken some bomb hits but a submarine put 3 fish in her. There were no US carriers there. It wasn't the Sangamon either, maybe the same class? The Argleton or something.

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 6:17:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will prob make a pre-emptive strike vs. the red hordes..I am sure they prepare something against the god approved empire of the east I plan to do this in 10/43. Most of the war is a stalemate so far, in India I beat back the cunning Brits and their Indian and US bandits.

That an Asian nation like India fights the ones who give them freedom has enraged the emperor...the Brits must pay them very good.

However my battlefleet suffered terribly, I lost many cruisers and DDs. So the US made some progress has taken Shortlands and soon Toro will fall..also he landed at Makin now too. But my army, airforce, economy is top shape. :)

The soviets have many of the border fortresses, I read they are hard to overcome, any tipps for this? Or what would be the best route in general?? I have almost no heavy weapons there I bought out every worthy art / AA and AT unit. So will be a hard struggle I guess

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RE: Pilot training and supply - 11/20/2021 11:44:15 AM   
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