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Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/18/2021 9:57:30 PM   
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Some might be interested in the adventures of a real ship and how it relates to WITP-AE. I will follow LST 590 because one of my relatives was on it, and I have the logs and some other information for LST 590.

LST was launched on 8/19/44 from Evansville IN. It traveled down the Mississippi to New Orleans (where it was commissioned). where its weapons were installed. WITP AE gives a number for crew expertise. For the 590 only the captain (Ensign Boyd Arnett) and the baker had been on a naval ship before. Captain Arnett was a mustang (promoted from the enlisted ranks).

On September 3rd it left for Panama City Florida for maneuvers with other LSTs. When it got back it went to the Mobile AL dry dock for repair to the screw. In the game it takes two days to go into drydock and 2 days to get out. Part of this time is caused by the need to empty all the ammo entering the drydock and putting it back on the ship after leaving drydock.

On October 9,1944 LST 590 entered the canal zone and the game map.

to be continued..
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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/18/2021 10:04:31 PM   
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Evanston has an LST on display




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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/18/2021 10:28:55 PM   
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Yes I am planning to visit that.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/18/2021 11:18:00 PM   
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Hard to build an AAR narrative around a ship that does not appear until 1944! It would be OK to choose another ship to steam around in until the LST 590 appears. Will be interested to hear some of the history of the ship too.

A correction on how the game handles drydocking. The game lets you put the ship in dock instantly but it takes 3 days to get it out prematurely. If it is fully repaired in the dock, it automatically goes into the list of ships disbanded in port (i.e. it does not need any time to come out of the drydock).

And if this is to be the start of your AAR, it really should be moved to the AAR section of the forum.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 7:34:52 AM   
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This sounds like a fantastic idea, especially if you have some first hand information available for that ship.

Just to make things clear, are you planning to make an AAR where you actually play the game and follow along the ship or do you want to write the story that LST 590 had in real life and translate this on how this would have looked like in WITPAE terms?

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 11:03:55 AM   
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I don't have any specific game to tie the thread to. I used AAR in the title just as a pun. My purpose was to show the pacific theater from the bottom up. My other purpose was a tribute to my relative and his crew members. I hope to make this entertaining by including a lot of real life oddities and showing what is simulated in the game and what is not. I have a lot of first hand information I will share that I hope at least some people will find interesting. This is also good prep for my visit to the LST museum.

LST 590 arrived at the canal on 10/9/44 and departed for Espiritu Santos on May 12,1944. They were given sealed orders with their destination which they opened after they left port. At this time of the war the IJN sub threat in the rear areas was minimal, so they were in convoy with only LST 933. A week into the voyage LST 933 returned to Panama. LST 933 had a crew member with appendicitis and no doctor. AE certainly can't simulate ships changing course for a medical emergency.

590 arrived at its destination on 11/15/44. It went into dry dock for four days to repair the screw again (this will happen again with a strange method of repair).

One thing WITP AE does better then any other game is to convey time. Since it is so complex and time consuming people often play with one day of play time equaling one day of game time. So it is very rewarding when a planning and prep effort started months ago pays off. On the other hand, if I forget a important detail that takes time it can be very frustrating (like real life).

Next stop Bougainville (or maybe not).


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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 12:57:57 PM   
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Great idea. Looking forward to this.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 2:47:32 PM   
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Okay, understood. Good stuff so far, will tag along.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 4:57:08 PM   
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jedwardpita: LST 590 arrived at the canal on 10/9/44 and departed for Espiritu Santos on May 12,1944


This is confusing. 10/9/44 can be interpreted as September 10 or October 8, but you have the ship departing in MAY?

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 6:50:29 PM   
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I am sorry it was October 12,1944. Senior moment.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/19/2021 10:45:25 PM   
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jedwardpita: LST 590 arrived at the canal on 10/9/44 and departed for Espiritu Santos on May 12,1944


This is confusing. 10/9/44 can be interpreted as September 10 or October 8, but you have the ship departing in MAY?

They crossed time zones and the date line, remember.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 1:41:27 AM   
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jedwardpita: LST 590 arrived at the canal on 10/9/44 and departed for Espiritu Santos on May 12,1944


This is confusing. 10/9/44 can be interpreted as September 10 or October 8, but you have the ship departing in MAY?

They crossed time zones and the date line, remember.

Quite a few times, it seems!

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 10:23:03 AM   
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The nest stage in the saga of the 590 was a trip with a destination of Bougainville. They departed on 11/20/44 in company with LST 637 and no escort. Normally they always traveled with another ship as a safety measure. In Game terms I remember a rule that ships in a task force with a sunken ship can pick up survivors. In addition, ships in the same task force can assist with repairs in real life and the game.

On 11/22/44 the destination was changed to Manus. I couldn't find the reason for the change. They arrived in Manus 11/27/44. Next stop Hollandia.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 10:37:26 AM   
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Mail call bonus. I will be including part of some letters my relative sent from time to time.

Letter postmarked 8/3/44 from Evansville IN (written when the crew was manning the LST):

"They finished bringing on the pre-commissioning supplies today and were arranging the ship into a livable order.

It is surprising to see how fast they can build a ship. There are any number of different operations going on at the same time. The LST's are lined up here in the yard in all stages of completion, Wish you could see the shipyard workers. They range from old women to very young boys. The men, excepting foremen, are mostly middle aged or older. A good part of the workers here seem to be men and woemen who came in from the surrounding hill farms.

The LST we will be on is number 590-more than 350 feet long and about 50 feet wide. They have a very flat bottom, built like a tub which is suitable for running up on the beach.

... So far as I have experienced it, life at sea is not very romantic, but is rather monotonous."

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 12:14:39 PM   
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The nest stage in the saga of the 590 was a trip with a destination of Bougainville. They departed on 11/20/44 in company with LST 637 and no escort. Normally they always traveled with another ship as a safety measure. In Game terms I remember a rule that ships in a task force with a sunken ship can pick up survivors. In addition, ships in the same task force can assist with repairs in real life and the game.

On 11/22/44 the destination was changed to Manus. I couldn't find the reason for the change. They arrived in Manus 11/27/44. Next stop Hollandia.


In the game, assistance for other damaged ships at sea is limited to firefighting and only one ship can help with that. The other ships in the TF can help with AA and ASW cover but that doesn't affect the damage control efforts. And there is a chance they will save some of the passengers and the captain of the stricken ship if it sinks.

If any ship in the convoy is on fire or has spreading flooding, you will sometimes see an attack on the TF that produces no hits but shows casualties among any units being carried. That is the fire or flooding spreading during attacks - more likely to happen because the crew has been called to their Action Station (like AA guns) rather than working on damage control. So getting damaged ships away from enemy attack range is important even if you have LRCAP or strong AA/ASW assistance for it.

If the damage is very low and not spreading, many players will keep the ship in the TF and just accept the slower speed and minor risk of damage spreading. The number of escorts available is a factor in deciding whether a ship can be sent back for repairs or not. Importance to the mission is the other factor.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 12:18:47 PM   
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Thanks for the info from the letter. We sometimes forget how unusual it was at the time to have women working at industrial jobs! I bet the 'young boys' mentioned had to be well supervised to keep their eyes on their work to avoid accidents!

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 7:55:01 PM   
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The nest stage in the saga of the 590 was a trip with a destination of Bougainville. They departed on 11/20/44 in company with LST 637 and no escort. Normally they always traveled with another ship as a safety measure. In Game terms I remember a rule that ships in a task force with a sunken ship can pick up survivors. In addition, ships in the same task force can assist with repairs in real life and the game.

On 11/22/44 the destination was changed to Manus. I couldn't find the reason for the change. They arrived in Manus 11/27/44. Next stop Hollandia.


In the game, assistance for other damaged ships at sea is limited to firefighting and only one ship can help with that. The other ships in the TF can help with AA and ASW cover but that doesn't affect the damage control efforts. And there is a chance they will save some of the passengers and the captain of the stricken ship if it sinks.

If any ship in the convoy is on fire or has spreading flooding, you will sometimes see an attack on the TF that produces no hits but shows casualties among any units being carried. That is the fire or flooding spreading during attacks - more likely to happen because the crew has been called to their Action Station (like AA guns) rather than working on damage control. So getting damaged ships away from enemy attack range is important even if you have LRCAP or strong AA/ASW assistance for it.

If the damage is very low and not spreading, many players will keep the ship in the TF and just accept the slower speed and minor risk of damage spreading. The number of escorts available is a factor in deciding whether a ship can be sent back for repairs or not. Importance to the mission is the other factor.

You really have a lot of knowledge on the rules! Thanks for your help.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/20/2021 8:29:48 PM   
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Not so much "rules" as observed game engine behaviour and insights from Alfred on what is used in the game engine calculations. Other than that, reading lots of AARs over 10 years and sandboxing a lot of stuff in my own games against the computer allows for some stuff to share. It's not official, but it gives you an idea of how things should go.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/21/2021 11:56:08 AM   
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12/8/44 Beached to unload supplies. 12/9/44 Cargo unloaded Taking cargo of US Mail and 500 tanks of acetylene. 12/12/44 Retracted and returned to anchorage. 12/18/20 Departed Manus for Hollandia in unescorted convoy of 10 LSTs. LST 721 was formation guide. 12/20/44 Arrived Hollandia after uneventful voyage.

In WITP AE ships load or unload in a port or using the amphibious task force function. The LST could unload at a dock, to a boat or ship alongside or on the beach. However, every time the LST beached it would put some wear on the hull (how much wear would depend on the surface of the beach). Therefore, beaching was avoided when possible. One method used was pontoons. LSTs could carry them strapped to the sides or overhead. The pontoons would be connected together and run up on the beach. The LST would discharge onto the pontoons. This method wasn't practical under fire, but was common in follow up waves.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/21/2021 12:14:15 PM   
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oops time travel did not occur - correct retracted date was 12/18/44.

Mail call bonus - Manus Is 12/8/44.

"Well have at least in part earned my pay again today. The work is not so hard as that I did while at home for $0.25 per hour or as mentally difficult as was college work, but is wearisome.

While we were waiting on the beach this noon, one of the men found a box of K-rations. They were surprisingly good and compact. They contain what one might usually get, or at least need, from each meal but in a condensed form [they looked like a thick chocolate bar].

The Seabees have done an astonishing amount and variety of work here. I suspect they deserve a very large amount of credit for some of the advances made over here.

The enclosed money order is your [his Mom] Christmas gift. Buy anything that will make the work (housework or laundry) easier. If such equipment is not now available then buy it when it is available --sort of a deferred Christmas present. But in any case get something that will make your work easier or more pleasant.

Merrry Christmas to all and to all a good night."

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/21/2021 2:25:05 PM   
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Thanks for the log info and letter. One has to think that loading 500 tanks of acetylene and taking them in an unescorted convoy to Hollandia would be a little nerve-wracking!

I am surprised that these LSTs were unescorted most of the time. I guess US ability to decode IJ codes meant they could send ASW to the precise location of any IJ sub that might interfere rather than escort the many small convoys operating in the backwaters.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/21/2021 3:13:19 PM   
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Thanks for the log info and letter. One has to think that loading 500 tanks of acetylene and taking them in an unescorted convoy to Hollandia would be a little nerve-wracking!

I am surprised that these LSTs were unescorted most of the time. I guess US ability to decode IJ codes meant they could send ASW to the precise location of any IJ sub that might interfere rather than escort the many small convoys operating in the backwaters.

When they get to the Philippine islands they will start traveling with escorts. Historically the Japanese concentrated on sinking capital ships and not transports. However one the convoys 590 was in was attacked by a sub.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/22/2021 11:17:31 AM   
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Today we are closing out 1944 for LST 590.

12/21/44 Received orders to beach and discharge cargo. Beached alongside LST 466 to discharge cargo.

12/26/44 Underway for Milne Bay, New Guinea. LST 752 SOPA. No Cargo. - SOPA stands for Senior Officer Present Afloat. What that meant was that the commander of LST 752 was in charge of the small convoy.

12/30/44 Arrived at Milne Bay. Voyage uneventful. Received orders to beach. LST 936 moored to starboard side.

12/31/44 Taking on men and equipment of 104th CB BN. If I remember correctly, the game lists the LST capacity as 1500 tons of cargo and 0 personnel. However, LSTs often carried personnel. I think this is game rule focuses LST usage on their primary function, transporting heavy equipment with fast discharge at non port locations.

Tomorrow - into the danger zone!

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/22/2021 11:33:55 AM   
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12/11/1944

" I found the trees I could not recognize to Australian Pine and Ebony. They are very pretty.

Tell Bill (his nephew) that we have a big dog and a little cat on board. The dog is part German Shepard and part hound with droopy ears and a sad expression in general. The cat is all cat. Oh yes, the dog barks sometimes - sounds good to me. Some of the officers don't appreciate it however. Have prospects of seeing a movie tonight so will defer the writing until I return."

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/22/2021 12:32:02 PM   
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Thanks for the log info and letter. One has to think that loading 500 tanks of acetylene and taking them in an unescorted convoy to Hollandia would be a little nerve-wracking!

I am surprised that these LSTs were unescorted most of the time. I guess US ability to decode IJ codes meant they could send ASW to the precise location of any IJ sub that might interfere rather than escort the many small convoys operating in the backwaters.


This time frame is after the invasion of Leyte and the LST is at Hollandia, how many thousand miles away? As others have noted, the Japanese subs were used quite differently than US subs, and disrupting rear area logistics was not a high priority. Just my 2¢.

BTW, this write up of LST 590 is terrific!

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/22/2021 6:13:13 PM   
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Today we are closing out 1944 for LST 590.

12/21/44 Received orders to beach and discharge cargo. Beached alongside LST 466 to discharge cargo.

12/26/44 Underway for Milne Bay, New Guinea. LST 752 SOPA. No Cargo. - SOPA stands for Senior Officer Present Afloat. What that meant was that the commander of LST 752 was in charge of the small convoy.

12/30/44 Arrived at Milne Bay. Voyage uneventful. Received orders to beach. LST 936 moored to starboard side.

12/31/44 Taking on men and equipment of 104th CB BN. If I remember correctly, the game lists the LST capacity as 1500 tons of cargo and 0 personnel. However, LSTs often carried personnel. I think this is game rule focuses LST usage on their primary function, transporting heavy equipment with fast discharge at non port locations.

Tomorrow - into the danger zone!

Cargo space can be used as troop space at a ratio of 3 cargo:1 troop. That accounts for the inability to stack troops and their lower density (in weight, not brainpower) than most cargo. So LSTs can carry troops, but there are lots of vessels that can unload troops quickly but not cargo. The LST is one of the best at unloading cargo, especially heavy items like tanks and artillery. So in the game I hardly ever move troops exclusively by LST.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/23/2021 10:45:16 AM   
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Today we are closing out 1944 for LST 590.

12/21/44 Received orders to beach and discharge cargo. Beached alongside LST 466 to discharge cargo.

12/26/44 Underway for Milne Bay, New Guinea. LST 752 SOPA. No Cargo. - SOPA stands for Senior Officer Present Afloat. What that meant was that the commander of LST 752 was in charge of the small convoy.

12/30/44 Arrived at Milne Bay. Voyage uneventful. Received orders to beach. LST 936 moored to starboard side.

12/31/44 Taking on men and equipment of 104th CB BN. If I remember correctly, the game lists the LST capacity as 1500 tons of cargo and 0 personnel. However, LSTs often carried personnel. I think this is game rule focuses LST usage on their primary function, transporting heavy equipment with fast discharge at non port locations.

Tomorrow - into the danger zone!

Cargo space can be used as troop space at a ratio of 3 cargo:1 troop. That accounts for the inability to stack troops and their lower density (in weight, not brainpower) than most cargo. So LSTs can carry troops, but there are lots of vessels that can unload troops quickly but not cargo. The LST is one of the best at unloading cargo, especially heavy items like tanks and artillery. So in the game I hardly ever move troops exclusively by LST.

Thanks for the info, I did not know that rule. Sometimes the 590 carried a LCT in the cargo well and once it towed a LCT. Are either methods of transport allowed by the rules?

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/23/2021 7:08:09 PM   
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Today we are closing out 1944 for LST 590.

12/21/44 Received orders to beach and discharge cargo. Beached alongside LST 466 to discharge cargo.

12/26/44 Underway for Milne Bay, New Guinea. LST 752 SOPA. No Cargo. - SOPA stands for Senior Officer Present Afloat. What that meant was that the commander of LST 752 was in charge of the small convoy.

12/30/44 Arrived at Milne Bay. Voyage uneventful. Received orders to beach. LST 936 moored to starboard side.

12/31/44 Taking on men and equipment of 104th CB BN. If I remember correctly, the game lists the LST capacity as 1500 tons of cargo and 0 personnel. However, LSTs often carried personnel. I think this is game rule focuses LST usage on their primary function, transporting heavy equipment with fast discharge at non port locations.

Tomorrow - into the danger zone!

Cargo space can be used as troop space at a ratio of 3 cargo:1 troop. That accounts for the inability to stack troops and their lower density (in weight, not brainpower) than most cargo. So LSTs can carry troops, but there are lots of vessels that can unload troops quickly but not cargo. The LST is one of the best at unloading cargo, especially heavy items like tanks and artillery. So in the game I hardly ever move troops exclusively by LST.

Thanks for the info, I did not know that rule. Sometimes the 590 carried a LCT in the cargo well and once it towed a LCT. Are either methods of transport allowed by the rules?

LCTs (and Japanese Barges) are "created" by a special method in the game that abstracts what you read. If the TF was loaded in a national home port or (for US devices) a couple of Australian ports, and carries at least 1000 supply, when the TF arrives at a new port the game will offer the option to create PT/MTB boats, LCTs/Barges and for the Japanese, mini-subs. If you select one of these and there are some of those devices in the pools, the game abstracts that you intended to convey them to that location on that convoy. Think PT boats or LCTs lashed to the deck of a freighter. Or in your case, carried on the well deck of an LST. Supply is deducted for the devices created from the convoy.

And you can motor your PT-boats and LCTs across the ocean by having them follow a larger ship TF at 0 Hex distance. The big ship TF will refuel the small fry from time to time. This is nearly the equivalent of towing the small fry. It does slow down the trip by expending ops points on refueling rather than movement.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/23/2021 8:49:32 PM   
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You can also make an escort TF with the small fry right in that TF.

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RE: Historical AAR - LST 590 - 11/23/2021 11:11:48 PM   
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For this entry I will combine the ship's war diary with an oral history recording of William Traylor. The lines in quote marks are from Mr. Traylor.

1/6/45 Underway for Hollandia. Mean and equipmdng of the 104th CB BN aboard LST 742 was formation guide. LSTs 721, 1812 591 and 936 comprise the rest of the convoy.

1/10/45 Arrived at Hollandia. Voyage uneventful.

"January 10,1945, we arrived in Hollandia and found we were going to go to Leyte. This was what we had been waiting for. We were going to the Philippines. The weather was very hot now. Every day it was close to 100 degrees in the shade, and over that several times. January 10, 1945, Tokyo Rose said that our convoy would be sunk and told date we were to leave and how many ships in the convoy. Everyone was wondering what was going to happen."

1/15/45 Underway to join convoy enroute Leyte Gulf, Philippine Islands. Joined convoy as 26th ship in position of convoy of 42 ships. USS Medusa was convoy guide. - Medusa was the first purpose built AR ship below is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Medusa commissioned as a very modern repair ship by the standards of 1924, capable of blacksmith work, boiler repairs, carpentry, coppersmithing, electrical work, foundry work, pipe work, plating, sheet-metal work, welding, and repairs of optical and mechanical equipment. Her machinery shop's equipment included lathes, radial drills, milling machines, slotting machines, boring machines, optical repair equipment, armature bake ovens, and coil winding machines. To meet additional demands from the fleet, she had a motion picture shop, large laundry and bakery facilities, and large refrigeration units. She also embarked two officers and 20 enlisted men from aviation Observation Squadron 2 (VO-2) to repair floatplanes based on battleships and cruisers.

Medusa continued her fleet support duties out of San Pedro until mid-August 1941, when she moved to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. She was there on 7 December 1941 when Imperial Japanese Navy carrier aircraft attacked. With her commanding officer ashore, her repair officer, Lieutenant Commander John F. P. Miller, took command. Medusa fired on a Japanese Type A midget submarine she sighted in the harbor, ceasing fire on it when destroyer Monaghan closed in to sink the submarine. Medusa's antiaircraft machine gunners claimed two Japanese Aichi D3A1 dive bombers shot down during the attack. After the attack, she went to work in her primary role as a repair ship; she provided pumps to the damaged seaplane tender Curtiss, machine gun ammunition to the grounded battleship Nevada, and rifles to U.S. Army troops at Schofield Barracks, and food, beverages, and fuel to ships' boats that visited her, and she assisted in efforts to rescue men trapped in the hull of the capsized antiaircraft training ship Utah.

On 1 March 1942, the Base Force was redesignated the Service Force, Pacific Fleet. Now a Service Force unit, Medusa continued to aid the clean-up at Pearl Harbor.

On 4 April 1943, Medusa got underway for the combat area. She arrived at Havannah Harbor at Efate in the New Hebrides on 20 April 1943, relieving repair ship Rigel there on 24 April 1943. She operated at Efate for the next 11 months, temporarily deploying to Espiritu Santo from 24 July 1943 to 4 August 1943 to fashion a temporary bow for the torpedoed light cruiser Honolulu.

On 27 March 1944, Medusa departed Efate for a series of shorter assignments. First sailing to New Guinea, she repaired ships of the 7th Fleet at Milne Bay and Buna Roads; she then steamed to Guadalcanal, where she arrived on 15 May 1944 for service with the 3rd Fleet. On 1 June 1944, she steamed to Sydney, Australia, for repairs to her hull, damaged by grounding on Buna Shoal in May, before continuing on to Manus Island in the Admiralty Islands. After the ammunition ship Mount Hood disintegrated in a massive explosion at Manus on 10 November 1944, she provided repairs and medical supplies to internal combustion engine repair ship Mindanao, which had suffered heavy damage in the explosion.

In mid-January 1945, Medusa departed Manus for Hollandia where she joined a convoy for San Pedro Bay in the Philippine Islands. There she serviced ships engaged in the capture of Luzon and other Japanese-held islands in the Philippines and the Ryukyus until 6 July 1945, when she returned to Manus.

This is getting long, so I will start another entry.


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