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I don't think that there would be enough Irish, German, and Italian Americans who would vote that would have made much of a difference back then.
Total German, Italian, and Irish Americans would exceed British Americans.
Maybe but there still would not be that many that could completely change the voting . . .
Again, I'm assuming Roosevelt doesn't run for a third term - honoring the 2-term limit legacy. So...who knows what the Democrats put up. A more right-wing result is possible. Just take that as an assumption.
What do you mean by "who knows what the Democrats put up?" Don't you mean "who knows whom the Democrats put up?"
You are also assuming a lot with Rooseveldt not running for a third term.
Not that big an assumption, since it had been honored for more than 150 years. Roosevelt not honoring it was the outlier.
Grant tried for a third term and so did Teddy . . .
Grant didn't publicly run for a third term - and thereby didn't get it.
Teddy hadn't been elected twice. He finished McKinley's term and was elected once. So, another term would have been his second election.
Grant lost the Republican convention to Garfield who then chose someone as a running mate who had never been elected to office. That is how Chester Arthur became the President of the United States since President Garfield died in office. I would state that if someone came that close to winning the Republican convention - it was a very long one with many votes - then that person publicly ran for the Presidency of the United States.
Teddy became President of the United States a little over 6 months on the job as Vice President. So he had most of the term to finish and then ran for reelection. Most people would consider that two terms.
"I would state...", "Most people would say...". Those kinds of words are only needed if it isn't clearly spelled out. Grant never made any public run. He just allowed insiders to try to draft him. Teddy was only elected once.
Regardless, it isn't implausible that Roosevelt doesn't run for a third term and thereby a right-wing Republican gets elected by a constituancy who see Britain and the USSR unfavorably. An attack by an Allied Power (Japan) could then find the USA in the Axis - without need for action by Britain.
Wendell Wilkie actually was the Republican nominee and had many if not most of the foreign policy objectives as FDR. So I still don't see the USA joining the Axis.
At the time for US Grant, the political machines were the ones who selected the nominees. Grant could have backed out but did not.
Sherman said it this way:
"Proposed as a Republican candidate for the presidential election of 1884, Sherman declined as emphatically as possible, saying, "I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.""
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