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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Curtis Lemay is missing the point by seeing the Axis and Allies as two definitive blocks. And China and Japan are just one example. So Japan agree to send a couple of ships to the Atlantic and a couple of brigades to Egypt (whoop whoop) in return for what? Britain will at best be expected to stop aiding China. So Britain is now potentially creating yet another enemy in the Chinese.... Great, a bankrupt empire can't have enough enemies can they?

Are you saying that if neutral Japan seeks to become a member of the Allies they would be turned down? Any instance of that sort of refusal elsewhere? Clearly, the USSR was accepted. Once a member, their actions reflect on the Alliance.

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But what of the USSR? Apparently Stalin is happy to attack China (which of course aids Japan and does nothing for the USSR) despite the fact that the Soviets are fighting the Germans without the benefit of Lend Lease and indeed the Germans are getting help from the US. So what forces does Stalin use against China exactly???? And why help the Japanese (even if they could) who the Soviets detest?

Again, a Repulican administration might see the combo of Communism and Japan as worse than the Axis. Who knows how little would be necessary to trigger war with the USSR under that circumstance?

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Sorry, but how does this answer the point I raised about the Soviet ability, let alone wish, to get embroiled in a war with China when the Germans are driving them back?

War with China doesn't have to be the trigger. Just the fact that Japan is an Ally could, with a Republican administration be enough to make the USSR seem more of a threat than Nazi Germany. Or, if an incident is required, any would do. Soviet equipment turning up in Japanese units, etc.

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So let me get this right. You see no issue with Japan and Britain being allies (see your posts above) but the Soviets and Japan as allies is a big no no and has the Americans cosying up to Fascists?

After being attacked by an Allied Power.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Lobster

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How could Germany even received any raw materials from China if the Allies did not want them to receive any? Especially if Japan was allied with the United Kingdom?

Who are the Allies? Didn't even exist until sometime after December 7, 1941.

Here's an even more likely what if that could have put Germany against Japan. Germany had far more to lose in raw materials by siding with Japan than siding with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1926%E2%80%931941)#:~:text=Cooperation%20between%20China%20and%20Germany%20was%20instrumental%20in,was%20fraught%20with%20factional%20warlordism%20and%20foreign%20incursions.

So now China becomes a German trading partner and receives German military aid and perhaps becomes an ally. Evidently Hitler thought Japan would be better suited in that role. Without the raw materials but with a more able military. Yet he failed to include them when planning Barbarossa. What's the point of their stronger military if you refuse to use it to your advantage? That's plain stupid and makes zero sense. Especially when the Japanese Army was willing to take on the Soviets in Asia. And China is also supported by the U.S. At the same time Japan and Germany are now at odds. And Japan and the U.S. are also at odds.

Now Japan attacks China, now Germany's second or third largest trading partner where tens millions of marks are invested and Germany's friend if not ally. The U.S. also has close ties with China. The U.S. and Germany find themselves on the same side in a war in China. Japan is Germany's enemy. Japan is the enemy of the U.S. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And something else. Rooselvelt had a bitter dislike for dictators. Yet he sided and planned and worked closely with one as bad if not worse than Hitler who had openly planned world domination through Communism. Not exactly a state secret. Yet there Roosevelt is hobnobbing with the devil because they had a common enemy.

I seriously suggest that you actually open some history books, read them, and at least try to comprehend what is written in them.

Germany did have a major influence in China until 1937 . . .

The Allies did exist prior to the 7th of December of 1941. The World War II started before the USA was attacked by Japan!

Churchill hated Communism, the only thing that he hated more was Nazism . . .

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ORIGINAL: Lobster

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Lobster

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
How could Germany even received any raw materials from China if the Allies did not want them to receive any? Especially if Japan was allied with the United Kingdom?

Who are the Allies? Didn't even exist until sometime after December 7, 1941.

Here's an even more likely what if that could have put Germany against Japan. Germany had far more to lose in raw materials by siding with Japan than siding with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1926%E2%80%931941)#:~:text=Cooperation%20between%20China%20and%20Germany%20was%20instrumental%20in,was%20fraught%20with%20factional%20warlordism%20and%20foreign%20incursions.

So now China becomes a German trading partner and receives German military aid and perhaps becomes an ally. Evidently Hitler thought Japan would be better suited in that role. Without the raw materials but with a more able military. Yet he failed to include them when planning Barbarossa. What's the point of their stronger military if you refuse to use it to your advantage? That's plain stupid and makes zero sense. Especially when the Japanese Army was willing to take on the Soviets in Asia. And China is also supported by the U.S. At the same time Japan and Germany are now at odds. And Japan and the U.S. are also at odds.

Now Japan attacks China, now Germany's second or third largest trading partner where tens millions of marks are invested and Germany's friend if not ally. The U.S. also has close ties with China. The U.S. and Germany find themselves on the same side in a war in China. Japan is Germany's enemy. Japan is the enemy of the U.S. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

And something else. Rooselvelt had a bitter dislike for dictators. Yet he sided and planned and worked closely with one as bad if not worse than Hitler who had openly planned world domination through Communism. Not exactly a state secret. Yet there Roosevelt is hobnobbing with the devil because they had a common enemy.

I seriously suggest that you actually open some history books, read them, and at least try to comprehend what is written in them.

Germany did have a major influence in China until 1937 . . .

The Allies did exist prior to the 7th of December of 1941. The World War II started before the USA was attacked by Japan!

Churchill hated Communism, the only thing that he hated more was Nazism . . .

There were no Allies in 1937. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

There was no Anschluss of Austria. There was no Sudentenland take over. There was no occupation of Czechoslovakia. There was no WW2.

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