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Status? - 2/6/2004 3:17:54 PM

mbatch729

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Hi Frank,

How's this one coming along? Prior to losing part of the forum, you mentioned that playtesting was well under way. Any surprises or significant changes from what's on the Adanac page? Haven't seen an official Matrix site yet, so thought I'd ask.

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RE: Status? - 2/12/2004 9:24:58 PM

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Shameless <BUMP>. Or anyone connected w/Matrix?

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RE: Status? - 2/29/2004 12:31:25 PM

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A really really shameless bump ! Any news on this?????

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RE: Status? - 2/29/2004 3:40:49 PM

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I agree! They could at least say that they have no news or that they won't tell us. Ignoring a thread like they are doing is not fair.

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RE: Status? - 2/29/2004 5:07:43 PM

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according to the website this game is in its 15th round of playtesting-i don't know how much testing they do but i believe the campaigns on the danube will release before the great war will.

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RE: Status? - 3/1/2004 12:25:12 AM

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Hi Guys

Frank has it in playtesting and we are working on the graphics. Not much more to say at this time.

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RE: Status? - 3/2/2004 5:50:02 AM

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Thanks David. I think everyone has the idea all WWI was about was trench warfare, but the beginning of the war and other fronts were much more fluid. This game, IMHO, has great potential to create a better understanding of the nature of WWI one. The "design specs" sound excellent.

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RE: Status? - 3/4/2004 10:48:56 AM

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Wow, not very often you find a WWI based strategy game.

Well, not very often you find a WWI game of any genre I guess.

I look forward to seeing this one!

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Revisiting WWI - 3/4/2004 10:08:08 PM

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quote:

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I think everyone has the idea all WWI was about was trench warfare, but the beginning of the war and other fronts were much more fluid.

Playing GMTGames "Paths of Glory" showed me that WWI was a lot more than trenches and footrot. It was certainly a lot more interesting (and playable) than AH "Guns of August". I'm watching this one but not committed to buying it yet. Lets see a few screenshots before I choose

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 3/5/2004 12:15:18 AM

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I wonder if the conflict in the Middle East and Africa will be represented. the Germans were never really defeated in Africa.

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RE: Status? - 3/5/2004 9:54:47 PM

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I think the scale of the fighting in East Africa would be too small. Great idea for a game though.

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 3/24/2004 11:34:39 PM

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I wonder if the conflict in the Middle East and Africa will be represented. the Germans were never really defeated in Africa.

Were they defeated (militarily) anywhere?

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 3/26/2004 5:59:46 PM

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Yes in Samoa by the Aussies.

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 3/26/2004 10:59:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Major Destruction

quote:

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I wonder if the conflict in the Middle East and Africa will be represented. the Germans were never really defeated in Africa.

Were they defeated (militarily) anywhere?

The Germans were finished in Europe after their Spring offensives of 1918 were brought to a halt, and were subsequently rolled back to what was known as the Hindenburg line and beyond by Allied troops. The pace of Allied offensive action in WWI was such that defeat came as a slow pushing back rather than some easy to recognise battle of annihilation, but defeat it was as Allied strategy and tactics became more sophisticated. Allied troops never garrisoned much of Germany (bar the Rhineland) because of the armistice, but it was a myth that the German Army was undefeated in the field. In this myth lay the seeds of a lot of future problems. Germans troops returned feted as conquering heroes, and then everyone wondered how such harsh terms as Versailles could be offered to a side that had managed a "draw". Since Germany was largely not garrisoned nor the German army put into POW camps, the trappings of defeat were never in evidence to the public and so the hatred of Versaille began. The armistice came, though, because the German army was on the verge of collapse. Ludendorff offered his resignation as he realised what was about to happen, he was in no doubt.

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 3/30/2004 4:21:53 PM

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Also if we are talking about single battles I would say Battle of Amiens 8th August 1918 (Black day for the German Army), First and Second Marne, Messines to start with. You could also argue Le Cateau, Battle of Arras, initial stages of Cambrai.
I'm sure there are others. Those were just off the top of my head...People tend to think WW1 was made up of three battles - Verdun, Somme, Ypres

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 4/1/2004 3:26:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronDuke

quote:

ORIGINAL: Major Destruction

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drex

I wonder if the conflict in the Middle East and Africa will be represented. the Germans were never really defeated in Africa.

Were they defeated (militarily) anywhere?

The Germans were finished in Europe after their Spring offensives of 1918 were brought to a halt, and were subsequently rolled back to what was known as the Hindenburg line and beyond by Allied troops. The pace of Allied offensive action in WWI was such that defeat came as a slow pushing back rather than some easy to recognise battle of annihilation, but defeat it was as Allied strategy and tactics became more sophisticated. Allied troops never garrisoned much of Germany (bar the Rhineland) because of the armistice, but it was a myth that the German Army was undefeated in the field. In this myth lay the seeds of a lot of future problems. Germans troops returned feted as conquering heroes, and then everyone wondered how such harsh terms as Versailles could be offered to a side that had managed a "draw". Since Germany was largely not garrisoned nor the German army put into POW camps, the trappings of defeat were never in evidence to the public and so the hatred of Versaille began. The armistice came, though, because the German army was on the verge of collapse. Ludendorff offered his resignation as he realised what was about to happen, he was in no doubt.

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IronDuke

This is the best "short version - Big picture" I have read so far! But the internal turmoil in Germany should be mentioned, it is called the German revolution after all, starting with the sailors of the Highsea Fleet refusing to sail out and spreading like a wildfire. Hence the myth you are referring to - "the backstab myth" the german army defeated from behind... Germany was a mess and couldn't have continued the fighting at all which made the victory "unconditional" in reality...

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RE: Revisiting WWI - 5/14/2004 4:03:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronDuke

quote:

ORIGINAL: Major Destruction

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drex

I wonder if the conflict in the Middle East and Africa will be represented. the Germans were never really defeated in Africa.

Were they defeated (militarily) anywhere?

The Germans were finished in Europe after their Spring offensives of 1918 were brought to a halt, and were subsequently rolled back to what was known as the Hindenburg line and beyond by Allied troops. The pace of Allied offensive action in WWI was such that defeat came as a slow pushing back rather than some easy to recognise battle of annihilation, but defeat it was as Allied strategy and tactics became more sophisticated. Allied troops never garrisoned much of Germany (bar the Rhineland) because of the armistice, but it was a myth that the German Army was undefeated in the field. In this myth lay the seeds of a lot of future problems. Germans troops returned feted as conquering heroes, and then everyone wondered how such harsh terms as Versailles could be offered to a side that had managed a "draw". Since Germany was largely not garrisoned nor the German army put into POW camps, the trappings of defeat were never in evidence to the public and so the hatred of Versaille began. The armistice came, though, because the German army was on the verge of collapse. Ludendorff offered his resignation as he realised what was about to happen, he was in no doubt.

Regards,
IronDuke

Another underappreciated factor in the end of WW I was the Spanish Flu, which had begun to decemate armies on both sides of the Western front. The conditions that troops lived in contributed to their being suseptible to catching and spreading the flu. Where the Allies could count on untold streams of fresh troops from the New World, Germany stood alone, having thrown her last reinforcements at the allies in the 1918 offensive. Just a point of interest.

Eric Maietta

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