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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 12:50:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your pose seemed unnecessarily brusque and your idea of "reasonable" and mine differ greatly by all evidence. I will be a model of decorum here and continue to attempt to aid people on TO&E matters and provide links so people can learn for themselves. I would like to thank you for your efforts and offer in all humility the advice that you *are* the servant of the community as well as guardian of standards KG.

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No, I won't ban you, nor will I delete anyone's posts, even though I have the authority to do so. If members want to incriminate themselves by flouting their disrespect for this forum, then the evidence can speak for itself.
My desire is for open but civil discussion in my area of the forums. This applies to everyone who posts here, whether they are involved in current Matrix projects or not.
I have written to every member of the OOB Team, requesting that they be more forthcoming on information regarding the upcoming OOB patch. I did this on the gamers' behalf, but at this point, that's all I can do.

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

No censorship, but the word has been passed down from the top that Matrix' forum policies are to be enforced. I received full blessing from David to exercise my discretion in the methods to be used in doing so.

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Is this some sort of cencorship again?





That's charming and ominous.

David sent me a PM asking me to relent I shall out of deference to him and have in fact been encouraging others to do so behind the scenes.

Tell you what though 'sport' why don't you go on ahead and ban me now though okay?



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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 12:53:35 AM   
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No, I won't ban you, nor will I delete anyone's posts, even though I have the authority to do so.



Afaik. you only have authority to enforce the forum guidelines as laid down in the official policy of Matrixgames.




Look Rune I was wrong to be so snappish especially since I have been preaching forebearence elsewhere. Let them "work their magic in peace". The time will come after playtesting I guess to offer criticism and hopefully praise.

I still disagree with the alterations being made in silence as in theory this is the LAST scrub but greater powers than me made these judgement calls.

I will refrain from bringing up new criticism and queries and shall do my best to be the model of decorum in my conduct here.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 1:03:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rune, after my conversation with David, he made it clear that I have the authority, with his support, to enforce the forum standards within pretty wide parameters. In other words, as I define them. Banning members is something else--this is why I won't be deleting any posts.
Now, after these last postings, I can easily see why the OOB Team isn't bothering in responding--these are irrelevant to the thread, are taking up space , and are contributing nothing to the development of the game.
I see now who has an agenda--it isn't the team, and it isn't me. To Rune (aka JDRDragon at the Depot) and Keke, you guys need to tone down your rhetoric. Harlekwin got the message, but you two need to get it, too.

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No, I won't ban you, nor will I delete anyone's posts, even though I have the authority to do so.



Afaik. you only have authority to enforce the forum guidelines as laid down in the official policy of Matrixgames.


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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 1:43:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is is possible to clear obsticles other than mine's and dragonsteeth. Like a blown up tank on a bridge, and does the Sherman Dozer have any special abilities. I have always trhought it should be able to build entrenchments, is this within the scope of the game ?

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 1:46:43 AM   
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Now, after these last postings, I can easily see why the OOB Team isn't bothering in responding--these are irrelevant to the thread, are taking up space , and are contributing nothing to the development of the game.


It's obviously your agenda to label any criticism as irrelevant. The OOB team has not given any quality answers (excluding RockinHarry here) to anything so far, no matter how relevant the criticism has been.

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I see now who has an agenda--it isn't the team, and it isn't me. To Rune (aka JDRDragon at the Depot) and Keke, you guys need to tone down your rhetoric. Harlekwin got the message, but you two need to get it, too.


See above. I don't understand how shutting up criticism will benefit anything...

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 1:53:45 AM   
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Rune, after my conversation with David, he made it clear that I have the authority, with his support, to enforce the forum standards within pretty wide parameters. In other words, as I define them. Banning members is something else--this is why I won't be deleting any posts.
Now, after these last postings, I can easily see why the OOB Team isn't bothering in responding--these are irrelevant to the thread, are taking up space , and are contributing nothing to the development of the game.
I see now who has an agenda--it isn't the team, and it isn't me. To Rune (aka JDRDragon at the Depot) and Keke, you guys need to tone down your rhetoric. Harlekwin got the message, but you two need to get it, too.



So I need to tone down my rhetoric?
I thought it was you who wanted to keep a watertight line between what happens here and what happens at the depot.
So I gather you intend to punish me for something I said on another board?

I cannot speak for Harlekwin but it is my distinct impression that he chose to wind down of his own volition, not due to any kind of zany message.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 2:30:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Posted by Rune Iversen:"I cannot speak for Harlekwin but it is my distinct impression that he chose to wind down of his own volition, not due to any kind of zany message."

No, he did not do this of his own volition. He was put on notice by David. I will extend that to you, too. You would be well advised to follow his example.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 2:34:20 AM   
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Posted by Rune Iversen:"I cannot speak for Harlekwin but it is my distinct impression that he chose to wind down of his own volition, not due to any kind of zany message."

No, he did not do this of his own volition. He was put on notice by David. I will extend that to you, too. You would be well advised to follow his example.


I do not belive you carry the necessary weight to speak on behalf of David Heath, and I do not believe that Harlekwin was ever warned off based on what I was told.
If he wishes to warn me off he shall be welcome to do so.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 2:35:45 AM   
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Posted by Rune Iversen:"I cannot speak for Harlekwin but it is my distinct impression that he chose to wind down of his own volition, not due to any kind of zany message."

No, he did not do this of his own volition. He was put on notice by David. I will extend that to you, too. You would be well advised to follow his example.




I was put on "notice"?

KG that was NOT the tone of the PM I recieved by my reading. I was very concilliatory and it was a request not an order. Now had I ignored his request there likely would have been consequences but please stop trying to speak with an Austro-Hollywood accent on the matter.

If anything your posture is inciting the antipathy of the people who are perplexed at the public pronouncements not helping them have their concerns placated.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:12:13 AM   
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If anything your posture is inciting the antipathy of the people who are perplexed at the public pronouncements not helping them have their concerns placated.


Ditto.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:16:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, Yes but what are your thoughts on if a tank has a blade should it have special entrenching abilities ?

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:21:17 AM   
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Yes, Yes but what are your thoughts on if a tank has a blade should it have special entrenching abilities ?


You mean if it should be able to entrench faster and thereby gain that little pile of dirt around itself.
Yes it should, and afaik Engineer tanks do get this ability (as do engineers). At least they did in SP3.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:22:13 AM   
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Yes, Yes but what are your thoughts on if a tank has a blade should it have special entrenching abilities ?


You mean if it should be able to entrench faster and thereby gain that little pile of dirt around itself.
Yes it should, and afaik Engineer tanks do get this ability (as do engineers). At least they did in SP3.




Yeah they did in SP3 and I seem to see engineers dig faster in spwaw.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:28:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well sort of, I was thinking of the tank being able to make a small dirt wall, an be able to push destroyed vehicles off of raod and bridges.

Being able to bury MG pillboxs in dirt would be cool

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:30:43 AM   
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Well sort of, I was thinking of the tank being able to make a small dirt wall, an be able to push destroyed vehicles off of raod and bridges.

Being able toe bury MG pillboxs in dirt would be cool


This is unfortunately out of the question (though you could use the editor to make a weapon in slot 4 called a "sandpile" with a huge HE and warhead, an ammo loadout of 1 value and a range of 0)

Small dirt walls and clearing terrain is out of the question too. THAT would require a code rewrite that I´m not sure the game can stand.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:34:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh well thanks for the info. Another question i like to play the Italians and I was looking through the OOBs I ran across a Submarine I could swear it had torpedos where could I use this weapon

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:36:54 AM   
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Oh well thanks for the info. Another question i like to play the Italians and I was looking through the OOBs I ran across a Submarine I could swear it had torpedos where could I use this weapon




um, IIRC you may be mistaking italian engineers and their demolitions "torpedoes" for a submarine.....

I'll look into it, and if there is a sub I KNOW this is a new thing.

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 3:42:16 AM   
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Oh well thanks for the info. Another question i like to play the Italians and I was looking through the OOBs I ran across a Submarine I could swear it had torpedos where could I use this weapon


Couldn´t find a sub. Did find a crusier with a 152mm gun though

¨What slot number of the OOB did you find it in?

Are you looking at the 8.x OOBs?

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:01:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's called a Sommergibile, in the 8.0 Italian OOB

Armed with a 100mm gun, two 13.2mm MGs and a torpedo

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:10:10 AM   
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It's called a Sommergibile, in the 8.0 Italian OOB

Armed with a 100mm gun, two 13.2mm MGs and a torpedo


Wow. I do hope it is for scenario use only. What is it´s availability date?

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:10:18 AM   
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It's called a Sommergibile, in the 8.0 Italian OOB

Armed with a 100mm gun, two 13.2mm MGs and a torpedo


INDEED.


Um, I am betting it is a cause celebre and a designer's "tool"....
I would disregard it as it is not really germaine to a land combat game in 99.9999999999% of cases.....

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:16:10 AM   
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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:19:31 AM   
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Yes your right ofcourse but wouldn't it be fun to kill a Sherman with a torpedo


Sherman at angle 32, range 500
Fire 1.
Fire 2.
Take us down to 300 feet

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:21:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another unit with no use in this game scale. Sub's, cruisers, whats next? A full scale Icon of a battle ship?

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:23:26 AM   
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Another unit with no use in this game scale. Sub's, cruisers, whats next? A full scale Icon of a battle ship?


We can´t have that tone on this board my good man

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:25:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now this is really getting of topic, but is there a game for sea combat that set up like Steel Panthers ?

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:26:37 AM   
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Now this is really getting of topic, but is there a game for sea combat that set up like Steel Panthers ?




um, no....the closest would be harpoon 4 unless I miss my guess....

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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:28:42 AM   
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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:28:43 AM   
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It's called a Sommergibile, in the 8.0 Italian OOB

Armed with a 100mm gun, two 13.2mm MGs and a torpedo


INDEED.


Um, I am betting it is a cause celebre and a designer's "tool"....
I would disregard it as it is not really germaine to a land combat game in 99.9999999999% of cases.....


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RE: 8.0 Corrections/Suggestions - 3/4/2004 4:30:09 AM   
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