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IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/25/2004 11:04:05 PM

Gary D

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Gentlemen;

Have been happily playing Scenario 15 as the Allies vs the AI on historical difficulty. Using the first patch. Noticed over the months (now September 42) that Japan's airpower was no where near the level it was in UV or PACWAR.
Decided to "peek" at the AI and found that the Japanese squadrons were worn down to a few aircraft across the board. Even the carrier squadrons had less than half their normal complement of aircraft. The AI pools of aircraft were very well stocked but the squadrons were set to "no replacements".
When I started this game 3 weeks ago I did choose "No upgrades, expansion, or replacements" as options for myself, but it appears that the AI is also stuck with my choices and is unable to overide the human settings.
I did a quick scenario 15 test run and in fact on December 8th the AI settings for aircraft replacement will reflect what the human has choosen at the start of the game.
Perhaps there is something I overlooked but the significance of the AI failing to flush out any of it's squadrons has made this current game pointless to continue.
Hope this assists somebody else and looking forward to future progress in this outstanding game.

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Gary

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/25/2004 11:51:18 PM

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Ack that shoots down my game too.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 12:51:59 AM

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Gary.

I just loaded the game that I stopped @ Jan 20th because I plan to restart with the new patch. Scenario 15; Historic 1st turn; Japan Computer - Historic difficulty; upgrades, replacements & expansion OFF.

Based on the aircraft pool, there have been 100s of AC taken from it. There were also several models with negative numbers. Indicating to me that upgrades & replacements had been done by the Japanese AI.

This game started with version 1.0 and then was later patched to 1.10c. Have you played your game exclusively with 1.0 or 1.1?

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:09:47 AM

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This game was started with 1.10C. I do see action in the aircraft replacement pool but I believe that the AI only draws aircraft from the pool when it upgrades a squadron. I have some screen shots of all this, let me go figure out how to post a sequence of screen captures.

OK first here are all the air units at Rabaul. They are in bad shape given that I have not mounted any raids on Rabaul and there is plenty of supply. Bettys are what I'll use for the rest of the example.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:12:02 AM

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Here's the Betty's.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:14:44 AM

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Aircraft losses, showing 279 Betty losses to all causes.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:17:56 AM

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Replacement pool showing 873 Bettys available and 238 used. Note that 235 Nells have been upgraded (I'm assuming to Bettys).

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:21:00 AM

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And finally the poor status of the IJN Betty fleet theatre wide. Sorry for the clumsy way I had to post these, my wifes the arts and crafts expert in the family and shes not around to supervise!

V/r
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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:25:33 AM

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Gary,

What is the status of both the Japanese replacement aircraft pool and also the pilot pool?
[edit] I see you already posted a screenie of the replacement pool... Something does appear amiss..

How about sending me the current save file and I can poke around and see what is up here

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:49:42 AM

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This news is most depleasantifying.

It would destroy my DAR (where I am posting daily news events concerning my war against the AI).

I would consider it a great favor if one would do the following:

(1) Verify or falsify whether this bug exists, and whether it is endemic to starting a scenario with "accept air and ground replacements off" (or what its source is).

(2) If I can expect this problem in my scenario, is there any way that I can salvage my AAR (that is, by getting the most recent saved game somehow debugified)?

I would be most grateful.

Thayne

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 2:58:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary D

This game was started with 1.10C. I do see action in the aircraft replacement pool but I believe that the AI only draws aircraft from the pool when it upgrades a squadron. I have some screen shots of all this, let me go figure out how to post a sequence of screen captures.

OK first here are all the air units at Rabaul. They are in bad shape given that I have not mounted any raids on Rabaul and there is plenty of supply. Bettys are what I'll use for the rest of the example.

The game I "peaked" at didn't go nearly as far as yours but the AI was definitely using replacements for Bettys for at least some part of the game. On 1/21/42, the Pool shows 24 Bettys in it, with 171 used. A6M2s are 4 in pool with 248 used.

Hopefully this can be sorted out quickly thanks to your detailed info.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 3:23:17 AM

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Actually, I took a look at my campaign from the Japanese point of view, and the report seems to be true.

I looked at a slightly older game (from December 31, 1941) and averted my eyes so as not to find out too much about what my AI opponent is up to.

However, when I look at the replacement pool, what I see is most disheartening. In the "used so far" column, the items showing an increase almost precisely match the items showing a decrease, indicating that upgrades are taking place, but not replacements. The computer will replace one type of plane for another, but will not bring in planes to replace losses.

Aw, shucks.

I feel like entering a period of emotional distress.

Thayne

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 3:34:23 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Thayne

Actually, I took a look at my campaign, and the report seems to be true.

I looked at a slightly older game (from December 31, 1941) and averted my eyes so as not to find out too much about what my AI opponent is up to.

However, when I look at the replacement pool, what I see is most disheartening. In the "used so far" column, the items showing an increase almost precisely match the items showing a decrease, indicating that upgrades are taking place, but not replacements. The computer will replace one type of plane for another, but will not bring in planes to replace losses.

Aw, shucks.

I feel like entering a period of emotional distress.

Thayne

That's unforunate.

Did you start your game with 1.1 as well?

I'm thinking that maybe 1.1 broke something (and hoping that the imminent next patch will fix it).

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 3:35:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mjk428

That's unforunate.

Did you start your game with 1.1 as well?

I'm thinking that maybe 1.1 broke something (and hoping that the imminent next patch will fix it).

No.

I never upgraded in virtue of the fact that I did not want to do anything that might disrupt my campaign. None of the "fixes" announced for the patch were important to me, so I ignored it.

Thayne.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 3:40:09 AM

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Thanks Gary D got the save, looking at it now.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 3:57:32 AM

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Gary D check your email I just sent you a note, thanks

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 4:00:16 AM

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If I had been smart, probably would not have kicked off the big campaign till I knew all patches and issues were taken care of. Man, I already got countless hrs in Scenero 15 and hope this bug does not turn out to be true.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 4:10:15 AM

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I'm pretty sure it is true, unless you have "accept replacements" defaulting to "yes".

Here is a picture of my Japanese replacement pool as of December 31, 1941. Note that there is an almost even match in pluses and minuses for upgrade units. However, nothing in the way of replacements for units that have beenlost.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 4:32:10 AM

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Well I checked, and I did have replacements set to yes in my game. I have just turned so many of them off, I had forgotten.

One thing I did notice: I did have auto upgrade off and auto expand all facilities off. The AI seems to be overiding these settings. It is expanding at least one base, and at least one squadron has upgraded. So this part appears to be working.

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/26/2004 4:35:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Caltone

Well I checked, and I did have replacements set to yes in my game. I have just turned so many of them off, I had forgotten.

One thing I did notice: I did have auto upgrade off and auto expand all facilities off. The AI seems to be overiding these settings. It is expanding at least one base, and at least one squadron has upgraded. So this part appears to be working.

Yes, the "upgrade" does not seem to have a problem -- since I had auto-upgrade off for the same reason. Yet, as my pretty little picture above shows, the Japanese are, in fact, upgrading units. And, if it upgrades a unit with losses, it will recover the losses at that time (that is, put in more upgraded units than it takes out).

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RE: IJN Air Replacement Bug - 7/27/2004 1:39:18 AM

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Playing the full campaign game as the Allies with replacements on. By late May '42 I notice a real slackening in the Japanese air effort. After UV with large-scale Jap air attacks on Port Moresby etc at around this time its noticable how small scale and half-hearted they have gotten to be in the same location in WitP, with the overall strategic situation very similar. So I switched to the Jap side for one turn to check it out. I found the Jap squadrons of Bettys at Rabaul responsible for the Port M attacks literally bled white and down to two or three servicible a/c each. Now replacements seem to be working OK. - 693 Bettys are listed as used in the campaign so far. The problem if there is one, seems to be from one of several possible causes. It maybe that UV was overestimating likely available Jap strength. However, from the start of the campaign gamein WitP I noticed that Jap a/c seem to be taking consistently high losses. Here, for example the Warhawks at Port M, which in UV generally took a hammering at this time, are consistently breaking up and turning back Jap strikes, and taking a heavy toll.

So are the Jap losses too high? Or is the replacement rate too low? There are currently only 5 Bettys left in the pool - which explains why their air offensive is fading out.

It may be that this situation is as intended, but I wonder if anyone else playing against the Jap AI in the full campaign has noticed similar results?

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