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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 12:36:20 PM   
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What was the most serious damage Ohkas ever inflicted during WWII?

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 12:42:51 PM   
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Not sure of the source, but...

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March 21 1945 — Sixteen Ohka-carrying Betty G4M2e mother ships were to be escorted by 55 Zeros to attack Task Group 58.1 (Hornet, Bennington, Wasp, Belleau Wood). Another two Bettys were to escort and provide navigation and observation. Due to technical problems, all but 30 zeros have to turn back or cannot take off. The Ohka attack force is intercepted by 50 F6F Hellcats and the Ohkas are immediately jettisoned by the Bettys some 70 miles (113 km) from the target. None of the Bettys return, no ships are attacked, 16 of the Jinrai Butai are dead, and only 15 damaged Zeros make it back.
April 1 1945 — Six Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. At least one makes a successful attack, with its Ohka hitting one of the 16" (406 mm) turrets on the West Virginia, causing moderate damage. Alpine, Achernar, and Tyrrell are also hit by kamikaze aircraft, but it is unclear whether any of these were Ohkas from the other Bettys. None of the Bettys return.
April 12 1945 — Nine Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. Mannert L. Abele is hit, breaks in two, and sinks. Jeffers destroys an Ohka with AA fire 50 yards (45 m) from the ship, but the resulting explosion is still powerful enough to cause extensive damage, forcing Jeffers to withdraw. Stanly is targeted by two Ohkas. One strikes just above the waterline, with the charge punching through the other side of the hull before detonating, causing little damage to the ship, and the other Ohka narrowly missed (collecting the Stanly's ensign!) and crashed into the sea. One Betty returns.
April 14 1945 — Seven Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. None return. None of the Ohkas appear to have been launched.
April 16 1945 — Six Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. Two return, but no Ohkas hit their targets.
April 28 1945 — Four Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa at night. One returns. No hits.
May 4 1945 — Seven Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. One Ohka hits the bridge of Shea, causing extensive damage and casualties. Vessel judged beyond repair. Gayety is also damaged by a near-miss by an Ohka. One Betty returns.
May 11 1945 — Four Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. Hugh W. Hadley is hit, suffers extensive damage and flooding. Vessel judged beyond repair.
May 25 1945 — Eleven Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. Bad weather forces most of the aircraft to turn back, and none of the others score hits.
June 22 1945 — Six Bettys attack the US Fleet off Okinawa. Two return, but no hits were scored.


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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 12:47:33 PM   
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Ok...so what capital ships were sunk or seriously damaged by Okhas?

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 1:19:49 PM   
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Ok...so what capital ships were sunk or seriously damaged by Okhas?


Good question. What I have read about the Ohka's were not succesfull IRL neither.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 2:12:30 PM   
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Good point from PicketLine. The problems with this approach are:

1. Allied players may bitch about the fact that an Ohka will do massive flooding damage to their ships ( as it would be like being hit by 2 or 3 Long Lances) a la torpedoes.

2.By making it a torpedo you lose the ability to have the G4M2es achieve hits while doing naval search missions ( as bombers carrying torpedoes don't get opportunistic hits, they have to be carrying only bombs or PGMs).


It is a good thought though and one which mod creators are going to have to weigh up.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 2:24:08 PM   
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Looking at the results quoted above you can see that the Ohka has a hit % of roughly 20% once launched. When it hit DDs, DEs or transports ( or even near-missed them) it seems to have resulted in either total destruction or sufficiently heavy damage to force retirement but when it hit a BB on the turret the turret armour saved the BB from significant damage. Still though one simply has to look at the numbers. If an 800 Kg AP bomb can seriously damage a BB then an Ohka certainly can. Fortunately for the Americans no Ohka ever hit the tower or superstructure of a BB.


I would suggest that if you analyse the Ohka attacks you will conclude that once launched within range of an American TF they had a roughly 20% chance of scoring a devastating hit ( sinking or extremely heavily damaging) on a CL or lighter and the same chance of scoring hit which would cause moderate damage to a BB or CA ( assuming it didn't just hit one of the turrets which is heavily protected). Given the sort of hit rate and damage potential being generated by the Oscars, Vals and Kates being pressed into service as kamikaze aircraft AND the fact that the escorting fighters would have to cover the G4M2es for a shorter period of time than if escorting Oscars, Vals and Kates all the way to the enemy TF I think that the Ohka was potentially a very effective weapon... The problem was they didn't have sufficient numbers of experienced pilots to properly protect the bombers to their launch points. When you are losing half of the bombers ( on average) every time they sortie and are only managing to launch ohkas a minority of the time you have a situation in which no weapons system was going to be effective. Change those two variables and a 20% hit rate with a massive warhead and increased survivability vis a vis FlAK has the potential to be a weapon with real impact.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 3:00:10 PM   
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Interesting stats! I don't think anyone expects the Ohka to be a war winning weapon, it can however cause serious damage to
ships without CAP. Against carrier TFs they require a really heavy escort - especially with the current A2A model used in stock.

I think the Ohka would be comparable to the German radio controlled bombs, and they seriously damaged the battleship Warspite and sank
the surrendering italian battleship Roma. Ohka's can not be 'jammed' by radio either. Changing the Ohka into a long range torpedo sounds like
a usable solution to me. There are too few of them to be used efficiently as patrol bombers.

That sortie limit of only 10% should also be removed and a production run of Ohka missiles created instead. When no Ohkas are available a G4M2e should
launch standad torpedoes or bombs.


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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 3:42:35 PM   
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As a curiosity and for comparison!

The Med theatre was much smaller than the Pacific, RC bombs still achieved results:




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 3:44:43 PM   
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The first capital ship to be lost to a guided munition attack was the 45,000 tonne Vittorio Veneto class battleship RN Roma, which burned and sank after being hit by two PC1400X Fritz X radio-controlled glidebombs on the 9th September, 1943. The weapons were delivered by II/KG100 flying Do-217K-2 bombers from Istres in France, with the strike credited to Major Benhard Jopp, Luftwaffe. This attack killed 1352 personnel, including Admiral Carlo Bergamini, Chief of Naval Staff of the RN (RN).

The Sinking of the Battleship Roma - LINK




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 4:40:40 PM   
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This is one of the reasons I removed the Ohka and added the SD-1400 and Hs-293 to the Empires Ablaze mod. In order to balance things a little I only made them available to a particular variant of the Me-264 but in my testing I have found that the SD-1400 is absolutely devastating. It will reliably sink any CV and any non-BB warship. Against older BBs it is highly effective but some of the mid to late-war BBs are proof to the SD 1400s although they still tend to cause so much fire and system damage that they make these BBs easy prey for Japanese torpedo bombers.

As a test I sent 100 Me-264Bs ( each carrying 8 SD-1400s) out on a strike against an Allied CV TF comprising 4 x Essex class CVs, 2 BBs, 2 CAs and a gaggle of DDs. Allied CAP comprised Hellcats and Corsairs but the escort of 200 Shindens neutralised the 300 enemy planes flying CAP quite handily. In a series of several tests I reliably managed to destroy 2 of the CVs, 1 CA and a couple of DDs over the course of 2 to 3 days with the enemy BBs being quite heavily damaged but always surviving. If the CAP wasn't neutralised then results went down and as a rule of thumb I found that it cost 100 Me 264s to destroy one Allied CV. Is that worth it? Well, that's up to the players involved.

I doubt that any hundred bomber strike from currently extant Japanese planes would achieve similar results. Of note: I wasn't able to get the SD-1400 accuracy up to historical standards so compensated for this by increasing the number carried. So, if one gets half the hit rate one would normally expect one just doubles the number carried.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 8:02:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
including Admiral Carlo Bergamini, Chief of Naval Staff of the RN (RN).


RM = Regia Marina, not RN.


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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 10:37:18 PM   
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Your mod is exciting Nemo Wish I had another life to play more WitP games.
If I ever end up with a life sentence in jail I'll apply for a pc and an Internet connection

That was a copy and paste Monter, also saw that they had translated the Italian Navy into English

Today I have re-organized a lot of air groups and ships moving all damaged transports to 2 harbours to
allow the rest to repair damaged warships. Also preparing to meet the enemy advance into Burma. Not going
to let this theatre fall without a fight. Large number of Army fighters and bombers will support the Army.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/09/45

Surface Combat

Andy sent 3 destroyers against our transports at Iwo! Most of them were sunk but
in the afternoon the Lardner was hit by 2 kamikazes!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AK Shanghai Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AK Shojin Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AK Tamishima Maru, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AK Ryuzan Maru, Shell hits 27, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AK Canton Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AK Nikkyu Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Lardner
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers
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Air Combat

Today I withdrew units training in China with more than 60 exp. Will only provide the most
basic training in China from now. This will allow us to at least have more trained pilots in
the air.

Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
J2M Jack: 5 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 130
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The enemy army advancing from Malay is hit by several smaller air strikes:

Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Tank Regiment, at 27,40

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on 8th Australian Tank Regiment, at 27,40

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
MSW Rokko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 15

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F6F Hellcat x 2
F4U-1 Corsair x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 15 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Lardner, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arunta
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Gyoko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 64,54

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tamishima Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Andy has dispatched a carrier TF to hunt our raider group! Our seplane tender makes
contact. The group is ordered to withdraw at full speed into a squall!

Day Air attack on TF at 82,59

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 4

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 26
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed
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The faith suffered by Zeke kamis not in 38k feet!

Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 1
Spitfire VIII x 11
Spitfire XIV x 2
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed
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An enemy TF is reinforcing the small base north of Palembang. A small strike hits a DE
with a suicide attack.

Day Air attack on TF, near Jambi at 20,53

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
P-40N Warhawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DE Fair, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP American Legion
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6960 troops, 173 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1228

Defending force 103993 troops, 721 guns, 509 vehicles, Assault Value = 1625

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
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USS Lardner under kamikaze attack!

In all some 230 Allied destroyer types have been sunk so far in the war.




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/24/2007 11:40:30 PM   
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Well Roma's B turret is missing... but she dose not look so heavly damaged... Superstructure looks more or less intact... so why so many people have died??

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/25/2007 2:48:30 AM   
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Read the link I attached with the picture of the Roma! The guided bombs penetrated into the guts of the ship
and set of her ammo. Exploded and broke in two, don't think there were much time to escape. Ironic that one of the
best attacks with guided bombs was against the poor Italians....

The Taiho Raider Group got away with it. Moving back to the Home Islands: I need to rebuild the Fleet and these ships
are vital to this effort. Give me a few months and we should be ready again.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/10/45

Sub/ASW Attacks

ASW attack near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
SS RO-48, hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Arunta
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Our troop convoy for Indo China comes over a sub...ominous omen!

ASW attack at 38,49

Japanese Ships
AK Hohuku Maru
AK Hakubasan Maru
AK Hakodate Maru
AK Getuyo Maru
AK England Maru
PG Seisho Maru
PG Kogyoku Maru
PG Heijo Maru
PG Eiko Maru

Allied Ships
SS Haddo
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Siemrem Reap , at 30,42

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 44

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 32
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Day Air attack on Kompong Trach , at 29,44

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 8
B-25J Mitchell x 31

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11
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Day Air attack on Moulmein , at 29,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 80

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 43
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Day Air attack on 1st Australian Division, at 27,40

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on 188th USA Field Artillery Regiment, at 27,40

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 64,51

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
MSW Kaiyo Maru #1, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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There are TWO enemy carrier TF's in the South China Sea - JUST were our troop convoy is!!
How is such timing possible?? Haven't even spotted the enemy. Fortunately I decided to use AKs to
load the tanks and troops. There must be 40 transports, too many for the enemy to destroy. The convoy
is dispersing. No ships have sunk yet, so Andy doesn't know they're carrying a precious tank division!

Day Air attack on TF at 38,49

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
TBM Avenger x 19

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Kansai Maru
AK Dakar Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Jokuja Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Bordeaux Maru
AK Hakkai Maru
PG Kogyoku Maru

Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,49

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 39
F6F Hellcat x 12
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 41
TBM Avenger x 46

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK England Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Argun Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Hakonesan Maru
PG Heijo Maru
PG Eiko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PG Kogyoku Maru
AK Hokko Maru
AK Himalaya Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hohuku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Gosyu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kansai Maru
PG Seisho Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Kasii Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Jokuja Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hoeisan Maru

Japanese ground losses:
409 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 5
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,49

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 23
TBM Avenger x 14

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Havana Maru
AK Chile Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kinka Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Hakkai Maru

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,49

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
TBM Avenger x 16

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Chile Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AK England Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Argun Maru, on fire
AK Dakar Maru, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,49

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Burma Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Himalaya Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Heiwa Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Kusuyama Maru, Torpedo hits 1
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Ground Combat

Enemy troops are approaching Bangkok!! Some 10 divisions are on the move. Our
reinforcements are just a couple of days away. Our seaborne reinforcements may be
delayed. They will require some R&R.

Ground combat at 27,39

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 42094 troops, 473 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 2938

Defending force 74 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Allied max assault: 1644 - adjusted assault: 689

Japanese max defense: 2 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 689 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7075 troops, 177 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1233

Defending force 104207 troops, 721 guns, 512 vehicles, Assault Value = 1625

Japanese ground losses:
96 casualties reported
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Enemy Carriers in the South China Sea!




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/25/2007 7:00:38 AM   
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quote:

There are TWO enemy carrier TF's in the South China Sea - JUST were our troop convoy is!!
How is such timing possible?? Haven't even spotted the enemy.


My guess is that Allied sigint indicated that XX Div was loaded/loading at port so and so. Don't know if it gives a destination but its enough information to put his forces where they can interdict.

Also Allied sigint might also say XX Div is prepping for XX,YY. If he knows where XX Div is currently, he can look at a map and see if it involves sea transport. The rest is simple.

Or could just be a damn lucky guess. Maybe those CVTFs had a different mission planned and stumbled upon them.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/25/2007 7:36:07 AM   
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Usually allied sig int will say something like XX Div is loaded on AP Yakumpucky Maru, headed for YY destination. If you've kept track of your sig int sightings (sometime earlier it would have said XX Div is located at Saigon, or some such), then you have a chance at intercepting the enemy.

Yeah, Chez, I do try to keep track of my sig int sightings.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/25/2007 4:30:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

quote:

There are TWO enemy carrier TF's in the South China Sea - JUST were our troop convoy is!!
How is such timing possible?? Haven't even spotted the enemy.


My guess is that Allied sigint indicated that XX Div was loaded/loading at port so and so. Don't know if it gives a destination but its enough information to put his forces where they can interdict.

Also Allied sigint might also say XX Div is prepping for XX,YY. If he knows where XX Div is currently, he can look at a map and see if it involves sea transport. The rest is simple.

Or could just be a damn lucky guess. Maybe those CVTFs had a different mission planned and stumbled upon them.

Chez


At least in the latest patch (and maybe before) you can get messages like "The 666th Infantry Division is on AP Sinku Maru, moving to Mosquito Island" - so you can get a pretty good idea of where to put a trap, esp. if you had a sighting of where the ship (or the unit) was before.


< Message edited by rtrapasso -- 2/25/2007 4:46:32 PM >

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/25/2007 11:40:53 PM   
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Andy said he was after a tanker convoy? Closest tankers is an empty convoy that was at Singapore yesterday.
This was a horrible day! Everything was a worst case scenario. I should have scouted the South China Sea with more
patrol ships before sending over the convoy. Strange that I didn't see the carriers. I may have missed them.

Must be an awful series of unfortunate events that brought the enemy ships in such perfect ambush positions.
Our airfields in Indochina were bombed into the ground as well.

I am spending more and more time on each time and with me moving to a new apartment next week I may not have time
to continue playing even 1 turn pr day. Enemy Superforts and carriers are causing so much damage to ships and ac that
I spend some 1-2 hours on 1 turn plus another 30-40 min on the AAR. Have to cut down as more
important events in RL are demanding attention.

Defenses in Burma and Indochina have been organized and I will bring in reinforcements by air now as the sea lanes have
become so dangerous. The only good thing is that the enemy is fighting in Burma and this is pretty far away from the Home Islands!

The 200 Superforts operating out of Wake together with 200 4Es on Marcus are more than enough to suppress the Bonins.
We have so many troops and supplies in place that it will take 6 months for Andy to get anywhere. Will continue to pour in
troops and supplies.

New Kwantung Divisions arrived: Some in China but most in Japan...strange since I can't move them to China without changing them
to another HQ (not China). It only cost some 200 points to release these small divisions and I will use them to reinforce the Bonins, PI and Formosa. Should allow me to replace the men lost at sea at least.

Imagine what he11 this game would have been with the British also in the fight...it's more than bad to fight only the Americans in 1945 and they really got more than enough hardware to do whatever they want.

Research and production of the Shinden fighter - that is believed to be good enough to give us a chance to defeat the enemy in the air again - has been spread over most of the Home Islands.

Hold out! Hold out! That's the slogan for the next 5 months.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/11/45

Night Surface Combat

Numerous transports were caught by enemy destroyers after the escorts had been dealt with!
Some were saved though an an enemy destroyer was disabled during the fight.

Night Time Surface Combat at 37,48

Japanese Ships
PG Heijo Maru, Shell hits 27, on fire, heavy damage
PG Kogyoku Maru, Shell hits 21, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Stevens
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Night Time Surface Combat at 34,47

Japanese Ships
MSW Choun Maru #21, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PG Seiko Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
PG Santos Maru, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
PG Yoshida Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
PC Tama Maru #8, Shell hits 1, on fire
PC Shonon Maru #3
PC Shonan Maru #17

Allied Ships
DD Owen, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
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Night Time Surface Combat at 37,48

Japanese Ships
PG Heijo Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Stevens
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Night Time Surface Combat at 37,48

Japanese Ships
AK Havana Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Stevens

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
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Night Time Surface Combat at 37,48

Japanese Ships
AK Kansai Maru, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Stevens

Japanese ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
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Night Time Surface Combat at 37,48

Japanese Ships
AK Hoeisan Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Stevens

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
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Night Time Surface Combat at 35,48

Japanese Ships
MSW Tasei Maru, Shell hits 1
AP Jouban Maru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Takayo Maru
AK Tetsuzan Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD John Henley, Shell hits 2
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Night Time Surface Combat at 34,48

Japanese Ships
MSW Tasei Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Jouban Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Takayo Maru
AK Tetsuzan Maru, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Heywood Edwards
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Daylight Surface Combat

Some 6000 troops are lost to see in the worst slaughter I've yet witnessed in WitP!
Just horrible... Andy dispatched destroyers from the carriers in most hexes around the
convoy and some 75% of the convoy has now been crippled or sunk. Hope we can save the
core elements.

Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46

Japanese Ships
AK China Maru, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hoel
DD O'Bannon

Japanese ground losses:
1261 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Vehicles lost 48
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Clyde Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD McCord
DD Schroeder

Japanese ground losses:
1157 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 58
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Day Time Surface Combat at 34,47

Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #17, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Owen, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46

Japanese Ships
AK Columbia Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hoel, Shell hits 1
DD O'Bannon

Japanese ground losses:
1245 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 56
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Hakodate Maru, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD McCord
DD Schroeder

Japanese ground losses:
632 casualties reported
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Hokko Maru, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD McCord
DD Schroeder

Japanese ground losses:
388 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46

Japanese Ships
AK Kenryu Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Hoel
DD O'Bannon

Japanese ground losses:
113 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Kenryu Maru, Shell hits 22, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD McCord
DD Schroeder

Japanese ground losses:
205 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46

Japanese Ships
AK Hakubasan Maru, Shell hits 28, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Hoel
DD O'Bannon

Japanese ground losses:
381 casualties reported
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Bordeaux Maru, Shell hits 20, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD McCord
DD Schroeder

Japanese ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Hakonesan Maru, Shell hits 28, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD McCord
DD Schroeder

Japanese ground losses:
305 casualties reported
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Sub/ASW Attacks

Subs are also having a field day... Everything was so concentrated in the right place that I
find it hard to be a coincident! I counted 6-7 subs in the exact waters around the convoy.

Sub attack at 34,47

Japanese Ships
PC Shonon Maru #3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PC Shonan Maru #17

Allied Ships
SS Herring
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Sub attack at 33,47

Japanese Ships
AP Jouban Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sea Devil
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Sub attack at 35,47

Japanese Ships
AK Clyde Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
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Sub attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
AK Getuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Herring

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
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Sub attack near Camranh Bay at 34,46

Japanese Ships
PG Yoshida Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Blackfish
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Sub attack at 36,48

Japanese Ships
AK Hakonesan Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sea Dog

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 36,47

Japanese Ships
AK Hoeisan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Kraken

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
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Sub attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
AK Getuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Herring

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
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Night Air Attacks

Night Air attack on TF at 62,51

Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Air Combat

Even weather was on the enemy's side today. Camranh Bay was closed due to bad weather and
all ac grounded. Since it's impossible to order escort fighters on CAP duties if their main mission
is cancelled no less than 150 ac were destroyed in the fields by enemy heavy bombers - that were not
stopped neither by bad weather over their own bases nor Camranh Bay

Day Air attack on Camranh Bay , at 34,46

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 5
N1K1-J George x 4
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 8

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 12
P-38J Lightning x 24
B-24J Liberator x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 7 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 4 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22
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Here comes the Superforts!

Day Air attack on Camranh Bay , at 34,46

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 5
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 90

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 11 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 7 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 18 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 16 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 9 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported

Airbase hits 28
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 152

Superforts attacking from 6000 feet!!

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 14
B-24J Liberator x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 64

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 82
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One day after Wake became a size 5 AF 182 Superforts attacked Iwo at 1000 feet!!!!
Andy said this was a mistake. If Andy had waited 1 month instead of jumping the gun
on the Bonins he could have spared his precious pilots, ac and much of both the US and Japanese fleets.
This shows that the US player can't complaing about having few Navy ac and pilots alone since it
is possible to bring in LBA to relieve them.

Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 182

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 18 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 240
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Australian Tank Regiment, at 28,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on 8th Australian Tank Regiment, at 28,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
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Looks like the US carriers are withdrawing now as the heavies on Wake are into the fight!

Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Africa Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 14
F6F Hellcat x 5
F4U-1 Corsair x 15
F4U-1D Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 13 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Arunta
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Day Air attack on TF, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Heimei Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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In the PM phase the enemy cv's were free from the rains and launched new strikes:

Day Air attack on TF at 36,47

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 5

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Havana Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Camranh Bay at 34,46

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 12
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 33
F6F Hellcat x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
SB2C Helldiver x 21
TBM Avenger x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 6 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Manko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Isuzu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Toyoura Maru, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Tairyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Shonan Maru #8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kanaiyama Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,47

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Argun Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,47

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Argun Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Eiko Maru

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 36,47

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Kinka Maru
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Day Air attack on TF, near Camranh Bay at 34,46

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 6
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 15

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PG Santos Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Tama Maru #8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Rear guard being pursued into Bangkok!

Ground combat at 28,39

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2142 troops, 0 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Allied max assault: 72 - adjusted assault: 10

Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7090 troops, 177 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1243

Defending force 103676 troops, 716 guns, 512 vehicles, Assault Value = 1625

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
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Burma and Indochina




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/26/2007 12:11:50 AM   
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One day after Wake became a size 5 AF 182 Superforts attacked Iwo at 1000 feet!!!! Andy said this was a mistake. If Andy had waited 1 month instead of jumping the gun
on the Bonins he could have spared his precious pilots, ac and much of both the US and Japanese fleets. This shows that the US player can't complaing about having few Navy ac and pilots alone since it is possible to bring in LBA to relieve them.


Amen to that. The ONLY reason Andy had problems with Iwo and Bonins is that he went in with ONLY his carriers and with completely insufficient long range bomber support. Now that he has it he will easily attrit Iwo and Bonins. The Allied player DOES have enough to crush Japan in 44 and 45. he just doesn't have enough in ONLY his naval air arm to do so... this is as it should be.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/26/2007 4:58:40 AM   
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I read both AARs (which is why I never say too much..dont trust my own mouth) but the only thing I will add is that reading Andys AAR it looked just like coincidence. His movements into the area etc were mentioned a few turns before... 

Anyway, that blow hurt but I have every confidence you will recover. I thought you were in big trouble at Iwo a while back but you turned that into an impressive (though ultimately temporary) victory.

Good luck!

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/26/2007 5:21:41 PM   
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PzB, what do your aircraft pools look like?  Just curious as to how long you can sustain losses like that....

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/26/2007 5:38:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Well Roma's B turret is missing... but she dose not look so heavly damaged... Superstructure looks more or less intact... so why so many people have died??


Roma's B Turret was blown off by her forward magazine erupting. That explosion caused the heavy loss of life.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/27/2007 1:06:25 AM   
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Yes, I'm afraid it was one of those most unfortunate events that happends in war - especially when the enemy enjoys full supremacy in
the air and on the sea!

We always find ways to improvise our way out of difficulties and Andy has still not gotten anything for free in this war
Appreciate the support Vetamur - and everyone else! We won't be broken easily and I'm confident that we can deny the Bonins to the enemy for
a long long time to come. If he really wants one or both of the islands we will make it so costly for him that he regrets that he ever set foot on imperial soil

No time for turn today, moving week and I'm pre-occupied by a thousand things.
Zeke, Oscar, Tony, Frances and Betty pools are empty but we're producing 600 Zekes, 200 Tony 100, 130 Frances, 280 Oscars, 220 Bettys, 500 Franks, 220 Jacks each month. Still got plenty Jacks, Franks and George fighters in the pools. This production capacity makes it possible to replace most ac losses, even though pilot quality suffers. We can keep this up for the remainder of the war if Andy isn't allowed to bomb our industry into the dust. The Shinden will prevent that from mid 45, so I'm vastly confident

It IS not always too interesting to fight a defensive war when the enemy is on the offensive all over the map.
Will do good with a little break from WitP this week! Might pop in with the occasional turn though and throw another spanner into Andy's machinery!


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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/28/2007 1:19:38 AM   
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More losses in ships and men - but cadre units from the convoy has been landed and 8 it looks like 8
transports may get away. I discovered that quite few units that were evacuated from Borneo have been rebuilt
at Soerabaja, this base had over 1100 AP. Moving 600 AP to Batavia and flying them to Indochina and Burma instead.
This together with reinforcements from Miri will replace the troops from the lost convoy.

Andy's carriers gave chase after the Taiho raiding group all the way towards Northern Japan. He didn't manage to
overtake though and our ships are safe.

Iwo has 112k supplies and 20k unloading. Boning holds 77k and more are enroute. Seems like the enemy will use only
heavy bombers to suppress us in the time to come, allowing us to keep supply levels up and bring in more troops.

Rebuilding of Air Force and Navy well under way. Building an air reserve in Tokyo.
In 1-2 days we upgrade to our first Tony-100 unit.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/12/45

Sub/ASW Attacks

Subs had another field day!

Sub attack at 37,50

Japanese Ships
AK Kansai Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Bowfin

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Our subs did not...still the hunted!

ASW attack at 71,56

Japanese Ships
SS RO-102, hits 10, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Allied Ships - enemy carriers returning to Marcus. This is good. Our supplies and troops will get in!
DD Quickmatch
DD Duncan
DD Ringgold
CVE Shamrock Bay
CVE Matanikau
CVE Hollandia
CVE Makassar Strait
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Sub attack at 34,47

Japanese Ships - not all ships are carrying troops.
AK Tetsuzan Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Ray
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Sub attack near Camranh Bay at 34,46

Japanese Ships
AP Takayo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Blackfish
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Sub attack at 36,47

Japanese Ships
AK Himalaya Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Kraken

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
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Sub attack near Bonin at 65,52

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5049, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Batfish
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Sub attack at 38,49

Japanese Ships
AK Dakar Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Haddo

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
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TF 1036 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (75,56)

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru, and is sunk
AK Dakar Maru, and is sunk
AK England Maru, and is sunk
AK Gosyu Maru, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers

Japanese ground losses:
2002 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 115
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Sub attack at 38,49

Japanese Ships
AK Burma Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Haddo

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Sub attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #17, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Herring
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Sub attack at 38,49

Japanese Ships
AK Chile Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Haddo

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
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Sub attack near Bonin at 65,52

Japanese Ships - I'm bringing in most of my barges!
AG AG-5029, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Batfish
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Surface Combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Camranh Bay at 34,46

Japanese Ships
AP Takayo Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hoel
DD O'Bannon
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46

Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Marshall
DD Stevens
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Air Combat

All damaged ac in Camranh Bay evacuated by rail. One good news. Still t-storms in the area.
Our strike ac are still grounded.

Day Air attack on Camranh Bay , at 34,46

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18
B-29 Superfortress x 73

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships - these are empty ships in port.
AK Tairyo Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Manko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
TK Kenwa Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kotobuki Maru #3, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kanaiyama Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Isuzu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 52
Port hits 6
Port supply hits 5
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Day Air attack on Camranh Bay , at 34,46

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 68

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kotobuki Maru #3, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kanaiyama Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Manko Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AK Busan Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AK Tairyo Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AK Isuzu Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
TK Kenwa Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Port hits 12
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 48
B-24J Liberator x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 9
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 62

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 90
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Allied aircraft - If Andy doesn't keep his carriers around I will unload just as many supplies as these Supers are destroying!
B-29 Superfortress x 134

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 6
Port supply hits 9
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Day Air attack on Sasebo 2nd SNLF, at 29,41

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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The final phase of the slaughter:

Day Air attack on TF at 36,46

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 64
F6F Hellcat x 10
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
SB2C Helldiver x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hokko Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 35,47

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 7
TBM Avenger x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hohuku Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,46

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 60
F6F Hellcat x 9
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
SB2C Helldiver x 12
TBM Avenger x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Kenryu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,45

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 18

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hague Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,45

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hague Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 35,44

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hamburg Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7075 troops, 176 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1256

Defending force 103590 troops, 716 guns, 514 vehicles, Assault Value = 1626

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
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I've not reinforced this small eastern base on Borneo. Too close to enemy LBA.

Ground combat at Sampit

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3550 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 92

Defending force 1039 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28 - committs Banzai charge! No losses

Allied max assault: 146 - adjusted assault: 282

Japanese max defense: 17 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 282 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Sampit base !!!
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Lost Convoy




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/28/2007 1:22:51 AM   
PzB74


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Our ac pools and production! Doesn't show production of ac with few reserves available like the Zeke,
Betty, Frances and Tony. Can get another screen tomorrow.




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/28/2007 8:43:53 AM   
TimoN


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB


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TF 1036 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (75,56)

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru, and is sunk
AK Dakar Maru, and is sunk
AK England Maru, and is sunk
AK Gosyu Maru, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers

Japanese ground losses:
2002 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 115
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What happened here? Did you try to evac an armoured brigade from Marcus Is.?
Can you use floatplanes to evacuate the cadres?

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/28/2007 1:54:23 PM   
String


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TimoN


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB


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TF 1036 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (75,56)

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru, and is sunk
AK Dakar Maru, and is sunk
AK England Maru, and is sunk
AK Gosyu Maru, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Arunta
DD Isaac Sweers

Japanese ground losses:
2002 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 115
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What happened here? Did you try to evac an armoured brigade from Marcus Is.?
Can you use floatplanes to evacuate the cadres?


Just a combat report glitch. Sinking ships appear in minefield encounter reports sometimes.

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 2/28/2007 8:32:31 PM   
PzB74


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Andy withdraws his carriers and our remaining transports are safe!

I will attempt to cut the enemy forces in Bangkok of and force Andy to supply them by air.
It's a dangerous game, but we're outnumbered.

The new divisions in Kwantung as small and unexperienced. Not enough forces to man more than
one defensive line I'm afraid. We will dig in in the mountain hexes and fall back to our MLR
when the Bolsheviks attack!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/13/45

Our subs consequently refuse to attack unescorted transports
Using them for minelaying is the best option when there are no cripples around!

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TF 1021 encounters mine field at Marcus Island (75,56)

Allied Ships
DD Wilson
DD Henley
DD Yarnall
DD Charles Badger
DD Drayton, Mine hits 1, on fire
DD Tingey
DD Stockton

Japanese ground losses: - all these strange losses are related to some Jap ship sinking elsewhere!
98 casualties reported
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Sub/ASW Attacks

ASW attack near Marcus Island at 75,56

Japanese Ships
SS RO-35, hits 6, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Drayton, on fire
DD Wilson
DD Henley
DD Stockton
DD Yarnall
DD Tingey
DD Lewis Hancock
DD Charles Badger
CL Wilkes-Barre
CL Pasadena
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Moved an asw group to the Bonins!

Sub attack near Bonin at 65,52

Japanese Ships
PG Unkai Maru #1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tamozono Maru #2
PG Kyo Maru #10
PG Chosa Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #52
PC PC-63
PC Tsushima
PC Matsuwa

Allied Ships
SS Batfish, hits 6
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Camranh Bay , at 34,46

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19
B-29 Superfortress x 58

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Busan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Manko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 80
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1
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Enemy intensifies attacks on Bangkok!

Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 30
B-25J Mitchell x 96
B-24J Liberator x 68

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 22
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 5
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 22
B-29 Superfortress x 75

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 70
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 8
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Runway hits 25
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 46

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 4
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Day Air attack on 1st Australian Brigade, at 28,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 6
Ki-67 Peggy x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 6 damaged
Ki-67 Peggy: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 2nd Australian Cavalry Division, at 28,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7070 troops, 177 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1259

Defending force 103647 troops, 722 guns, 514 vehicles, Assault Value = 1627

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Sampit

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3500 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 91

Defending force 1056 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29

Allied max assault: 144 - adjusted assault: 136

Japanese max defense: 19 - adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 68 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 3/1/2007 1:10:37 AM   
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Upgraded the first Sentai with the Ki-100 Tony!

Got several hundred short legged Ki-60's to upgrade, so it's a good thing even though
the top speed isn't very high.

Now there are only 3 designs left to research:
1. Zeke A6M8 - not much of an upgrade really
2. Reppu - should be a good ac, but I don't have many units that upgrades to it!
3. Shinden - our last chance to reverse the fortunes in A2A combat!




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RE: Cunning Plans are here again! - 3/1/2007 10:23:26 PM   
Aterpa


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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB
2. Reppu - should be a good ac, but I don't have many units that upgrades to it!


As far as I know all units that upgrade to the A6M8 do upgrade later to the A7M2. So you should at least allow some production of the A6M8 to transit those units to the A7M2.

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