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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/9/2006 10:36:02 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines.
This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have
succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it

After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk

Also notice that the 'Peggy' will go into production next month.




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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/9/2006 10:49:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines.
This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have
succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it

After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk


Sounds about right - after all you have all those resources from India and your navalshipyards finished job - there is nothing they can do it so free HI goes to ac production (we don't have to be Speer-san himself to conclude that!
)..

"more unified command", PzB, i hope this isn't another provocation. I just believe to my family and Paukashawa-san doing well at the moment as CiC of the 4th and SE Fleet. His imperial uncle Pauk-san is proud of him!

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 1:51:23 AM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Paukashawa-san hasn't given Pauk-san any sake lately, has he?

Andy is moving towards Samarinda/and or Balikpapan!
We're awaiting his landings and shadow his fleets. Bombers and fighters moved to their
bases in preparation for the coming battle.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/05/44

Sub/ASW Attacks

We have forced most of the enemy subs to withdraw - the shipping lanes are relatively
quiet again:

ASW attack at 47,45

Japanese Ships
MSW W.12
MSW W.16
ML Yurijima
ML Niizaki
ML Ishizaki
MSW W.28

Allied Ships
SS Sterlet, hits 9
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ASW attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
PG Kyo Maru #10
PG Keiko Maru
PG Kanko Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #7
MSW Toshi Maru #2
MSW Kyo Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS Picuda
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Surface Combat

The 'lost convoy' is finished by surface units:

Night Time Surface Combat at 51,63

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu

Allied Ships
AK Susana, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Night Time Surface Combat at 51,63

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
AK Edward Luckenbach, on fire, heavy damage
AK Ewa, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 2
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Night Time Surface Combat at 48,65

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CL Noshiro

Allied Ships
AK Steel Mariner, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
913 casualties reported
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Air Combat

Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 13
P-38J Lightning x 6


No Allied losses
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Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7
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Andy is preparing for his landing: Sending in fighter sweeps!

Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 41
N1K1-J George x 12
J2M Jack x 18
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 21

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 13
Spitfire VIII x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 10 destroyed
J2M Jack: 6 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses - this shows how overrated the Corsair is! Half the number of Spit VIIIs
and they loose less than half as many ac and claim most of the kills. I refuse to believe the Corsair
was this much better than the Spit!

F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 14 destroyed
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Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 15
J2M Jack x 6
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-47D Thunderbolt x 19

Japanese aircraft losses - extremely poor results...
A6M5 Zeke: 11 destroyed
J2M Jack: 5 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-47D Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 46
B-29 Superfortress x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-57-II Topsy: 8 destroyed
L2D2 Tabby: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15
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Day Air attack on Menado , at 39,67

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 5
P-38J Lightning x 19
B-29 Superfortress x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 1
A6M5c Zeke x 10

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed
L2D2 Tabby: 3 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 38
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Andy is now ready to send his ac out against surface TFs:

Day Air attack on TF at 34,62

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 100
F4U-1D Corsair x 16
Corsair IV x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 45

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Udo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Last of the enemy convoy is finished of:

Day Air attack on TF at 50,63

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 19
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-21 Sally x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Edward Luckenbach, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Allied ground losses:
145 casualties reported
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East of Kavieng:

Day Air attack on TF, near Tabar at 62,86

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Herbert, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Towards Samarinda - Balikpapan

Our fleets will soon be in position and prepare to deal the enemy a mortal blow!




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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 3:17:06 AM   
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RE: KAMIKAZE! - 8/10/2006 8:32:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Muchas Gracias Amigo.

Next Time I'm in the Med you and I are going to have hit the clubs dude.

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Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! - 8/10/2006 8:14:38 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		The Invasion Fleet is now only 1 hex from Balikpapan/Samarinda.
Tomorrow Andy will make landfall!

We wait patiently....forecast: Rainy - perfect!

The following actions have been ordered:

1. A select number of bomber units have been put on naval attack.
We will probe for openings and stray ships. In the case of a bombardment
I think the enemy TF will attempt to return to base. Want to exploit this.

2. I noticed that our A6M5 Zeke got a higher max altitude than the enemys
F6F Hellcat. Some 38k feet vs 37300.
I have ordered 50 Zekes on Kami attacks. Target is enemy transports and soft combatants near Borneo.

3. Army Air Force bombers have been ordered to hit Tomini.

4. A strong CAP/LRCAP has been put over Samarinda. This is were I think Andy will land.
Also a strong CAP over Balikpapan.

5. All land combat units in Balikpapan/Samarinda have been ordered to march towards their
opposite base. In all we should manage to must more than 600 assault points for the defense
as well as 9 and 7 forts.

Thx Elf, you live down south?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/06/44

Sub/ASW Attacks

1 enemy sub reported sunk by asw ac.
Our minelaying subs bumps into the invasion fleet...

Sub attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
PC Fumi Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW W.14
PC Shonan Maru #17
PG Nikkai Maru
PG Nanpo Maru
PG Chosa Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS Picuda
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ASW attack at 33,64

Japanese Ships
SS I-179, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Grayson
DD Nicholson
DD Bradford
DD Black
DD Bennion
DD Bennett
DD Bell
DD Charles Ausburne
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ASW attack at 33,64

Japanese Ships
SS I-179, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Allied Ships
DD Craven
DD Buchanan
DD Cassin Young
DD Waller
DD Twining
DD Tingey
DD Aulick
CL Raleigh
CVL Monterey
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Air Combat

No CAP over Samarinda, had transports airlifting reinforcements!

Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 16
P-38J Lightning x 6

No Allied losses
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Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 37
N1K1-J George x 17
J2M Jack x 11
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 10

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12
Spitfire VIII x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Spitfire VIII: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 12
N1K1-J George x 10
J2M Jack x 7
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 13
P-47D Thunderbolt x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 9 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
J2M Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged
P-47D Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8
J2M Jack x 6
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 5
B-29 Superfortress x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
J2M Jack: 1 damaged
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 6 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
L3Y Tina: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 10 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 38
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There were at least 20 Allied air strikes against Jap bases in the Central Pacific today.
I clicked them off quite indifferently.

Day Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8
J2M Jack x 6
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 98
F4U-1D Corsair x 32
Corsair IV x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed
J2M Jack: 6 destroyed
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Uchide Maru, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
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Was one ship left of 'the lost convoy'!

Day Air attack on TF at 49,65

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 17
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Susana, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
151 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2
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Some 'teasers' tested the enemy's Uber CAP! As Andy needs 10 Marine Corsair Sqds...
Day Air attack on TF at 32,64

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 139
F6F Hellcat x 273
F4U-1D Corsair x 45
Corsair IV x 7
Spitfire VIII x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged
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RE: Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! - 8/10/2006 9:03:03 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		To intercept the enemy invasion fleet isn't only dangerous - it is lethal for
both our air force and fleet. The only way our air force can get through depends on the fleets ability
to damage and scatter the enemy fleets. This will come at a great cost, and a miscalculation will leave
the capital ships exposed to 500 enemy carrier bombers.

Still, if Borneo falls the game as we knows it will come to an end. Within the end of the year most of Borneo
will be in enemy hand, the spice will no longer flow and Java, Malaya, Sumatra and Burma will be open for enemy invasion.
With this much at stake I feel obliged to make an attempt at stopping the enemy invasion. Andy is already low on
Hellcats and pilots, and a failed invasion will buy us many more months - in which Borneo and other important areas
can be strengthened while more resources and oil reaches the Home Islands.

Here is a list of the Fleets available to us:

1st Carrier Fleet:
CV Taiho 72 Zekes
2 cvls 54 Zekes
7 destroyers

Escort Carrier Fleet
3 cves: 20 Zekes and 9 Jills
7 destoyers

1st Battle Fleet:
BB Yamato and Musashi
2 ca
1 cl
10 destroyers

2nd Battle Fleet
BB Nagato and Musashi
2 ca
1 cl
7 destroyers

3rd Battle Fleet
BB Yamashiro, Fuso, Hyuga
7 destroyers

Fast Battlecruiser Fleet
BB Kongo, Kirishima
2 ca
1 cl
5 destroyers

1st Destroyer Flotilla
5 destroyers

In Java the 1st Cruiser Squadron with 2 ca's and 3 destroyers will soon be joined by another 3 destroyers.

NW of the Palaus the light carrier Ibuki with 27 Zekes is escorted by 2 ca's, 2 cl's and 3 destroyers.

The plan is to hit the enemy landings: I will even consider ordering some of my fleets to stay and fight not only
during the night, but also during daytime. The enemy carriers will target our carriers first, and in the chaos that
follows I will release hundreds of naval bombers and kamikazes.

Comments?


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RE: Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! - 8/10/2006 9:12:45 PM   
Fishbed

 

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Status: offline 		Well.
I hate being one of those who'll tell you to throw the kitchen sink, but, well...

Looks reasonable when it comes to today's situation.
Do you want to eat them tomorrow, sending the ships throughout all the suspect hex?

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RE: Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! - 8/10/2006 9:15:13 PM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		That is one devious plan!  I like it and I actually think you have high odds to succeed with this "offensive".

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 9:20:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines.
This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have
succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it

After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk

Also notice that the 'Peggy' will go into production next month.





PzB,

you´re not really producing many Peggies. With the Sallies that autoupgrade to them you then will have around 140 (don´t know how many Helens you produce). The Peggy could be a good bomber for you as it´s the only IJA bomber that can carry a torp. Don´t know if it can carry a torp in the version you started your game though.

You could check that.

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 9:29:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andy will never be as weak within next 6 months and after next 6 months you will have nothing to say as you will be cut off oil 

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 9:45:45 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		My Peggy's only carries bombs...barely worth upgrading from Sallys/Helens 

Yes, I think it's now or never! Let us strike while the war still can be concluded favorably.
This won't be an option in 6 months


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 9:46:59 PM   
AmiralLaurent

 

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Status: offline 		PzB, how much oil have you in stock in Japan ? I think you should already start to close some factories as the George one... You have in stock 4 times as much as you lost in 8 months. No need to produce others IMOO...

I think Andy can take Samarinda, then can hope to hold Balikpapan and Tarakan (how much troops do you have here?). Even if this is the case, you will still have Java and Palembang more or less usable...


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 9:48:05 PM   
Fishbed

 

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 9:54:42 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Will check the oil stocks when I get the next turn Laurent!
The reason why I haven't closed down the George plants is that I'm receiving more and more of it - and it's my best fighter.
Planning to use them as interceptors, both green and trained. Ac stats counts for much more than pilot quality as we all know.
The George also got a max ceiling of some 41k feet, this will make it impossible to intercept it on Kami missions. Too bad it carriers
such a light load.

Since Balikpapan has 9 forts to Samarinda's 7, I have actually sent half of the defenders to the latter. Say 20k troops in all 3 bases,
250, 350 and 325 assault points. Tarakan also got 9 forts. It will take some time to capture these bases.

I'm counting on Andy sending in bombardment TFs nex turn, will try to catch them as they sail NE or SW to RTB.

So what's the odds at currently Fish?


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:20:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you really shouldn't send kamis from such extreme altitudes. They didn't exactly teleport from their set altitude to sea level as the do in WitP so it would be very unfair to use it that way. If you think about it, you could wipe out Allied Death Star in a single mass kami attack with just losses form flak. I know everything about the uberCAP issue but this also seems to much. I thing you are doing a great job as it is.


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:21:44 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Here is a comparison of industrial stocks and output from May to July 1944!

As you can see most of the stocks are stable.
I have turned of armaments factories and stocks are down a bit much, have to adjust.
Also just recently turned of large merchant shipyards. As you can see we have a nice pool by now.

From now on I will try to stop further expansion of ac frames.
While our reserves of Mitsubishi engines is increasing, we're running low on Nakajimas.
Increasing stocks of Nakajima engines will become a priority! Guess we have to stop the drain first

Still, I think the overall situation is good. Andy's raid on Balikpapan reduced oil output a bit.
Our big tanker convoys are currently filling up in Sumatra and Java.

Question for the logistical wizards: How long can our industry keep going with a monthly decline of ca 10%
for resources and oil starting in September!




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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:24:17 PM   
PzB74


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Status: offline 		Corsairs can still intercept at any altitude Honda, let's see how it works out.
My high altitude fighters doesn't carry enough punch to hurt neither cvs, bbs, or cas.
So I think it's only fair if we manage to land some hits every now and then.

I really 'HATE' the invincible Uber CAP!


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:28:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Corsair has even higher cieling? If so, disregard my previous post and hit 'im with all you got! At max alt!!!

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:31:34 PM   
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quote:

Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines.
This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have
succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it

After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk


My answer to your question is...... yes and no.

Japan's expanded manufacturing capacity in 1944 greatly exceed the flow of materials needed to produce the required items. Assuming that the SRA and China is able to supply the home islands with the necessary raw materials, then the production levels you are using are attainable.

Basically its up to the allied player to cut down on the flow of materials to Japan. If the player doesn't engage in a full scale submarine campaign against Japan's merchants, he is allowing Japan to make the most of her production capacity. That's why it is critical for the Japanese player to safeguard her SLOCs to the best of her ability and doubly critical for the allies to interdict them. An allied player who doesn't attempt a major interdiction of Japan's merchant fleets has no right to complain that Japan is producing too much late in the war.

BTW, only about 18000 of the 28000+ aircraft produced in 1944 were true combat aircraft. The rest were trainers, logistics, patrol, and recon types. The number of fighters you are producing were possible if Japan beglected to build the other types. For example, the Japanese produced just over 4000 A6M series aircraft in 1944. Your production is over 7700. It could be done but at the expense of other types. If the game truely modeled production accurately, you would need to produce trainers for your pilots. But as it is, trainer aircraft production is abstracted as is PT boats, barges and landing craft.

Chez

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:31:48 PM   
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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		True Chez, but I'm loosing at least a 1000 Zekes each year during my training of pilots.
So you can subtract these from the grand total... Add to the Uber CAP and Corsair menace, I
really think Japan needs 7-8k Zekes in 44 to make the game playable.

Just my subjective 2c


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:41:09 PM   
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Soooo, I guess this is the graphic representation of high-alt kamis menacing the Allied CVs?


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:43:00 PM   
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As soon as that happens (if it happens) Andy will cry for his 10 Marine F4U Squadrons! 


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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 10:54:55 PM   
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"...definitely these SNLF guys are smelly people with no manners, and while bombs still fall all over the place, well that's all these monkey deserve on their sandy dot - hey back off you jerk!.....ouch!..... Well ahem as you see morale is high as always, with no room for defeat. Ah, Tokugawa's ghost kills me if it's not them coming back! Something is heading my way, I have to get into the shelter. Kokyo Mogami, CNN, back to you Tokyo, BANZAIIIII! krshhhhhhhhhh BAOUM krshhhhhhhhh"

- Mogami-chan, Mogami-chan, do you hear us? Looks like a problem with the satellite... Yes terrible situation now in Otori-Shima, nearly daily bombed by the despicable imperialist forces. We will wait for the attack to be over before getting back to our special reporter Kokyo Mogami reporting now from Otori-Shima, shiny glorious outpost of our brilliant civilization! [CNN gingle while the camera get backwards and the presentator, Harama Chezdajezaru, turns herself and her long legs to face today's interviewed expert]
Admiral Paukushawa of the Imperial Navy Headquarters is our today's guest for this evening Southern Seas special. Your opinion about the situation of our TV crew over there, Paukushawa-sama?

- Well like my Uncle would say, I guess Mogami-kun is, according to our technical military glossary, in a deep brown dirty sh*t right now, but well, you know what she can sometimes manage to do with her body. Anyway, you know she smells the way GIs seem to like it, there should be no problem. Big tits help anyway.

- Ahem [glancing at the camera trying to make them understand thay'd better cut certain passages for the forthcoming broadcast]. Well thanks for the technical statement. Time for us to reach our official online bookmaker for the last odds about the upcoming Bornean challenge between the magnificient Nihon Kaigun Tigers and the West Coast pirates. Laurent-sensei, do you hear me? How's today's activity about the odds of each side?

- Good evening I hear you perfectly Chezdajezaru darling [*Sigh* Harama thinks, these Frenchmen are so romantic]. Well everything is ok over there, and shine like a thousand katana blades. Internet activity is hot tonight with bets coming from all over the world for the upcoming confrontation that certainly will be a finale to be remembered. Some sources believe audience will be as high as a Football World Cup broadcast, we are confident, even if tonight's show is somewhat hampered by the 24/7 special broadcasts on every channel since the Normandy Landing two days ago, where both sides are giving a great show.

- What about the odds Laurent-sensei?

- Good for the glory of the Empire. My own pronostic was something like a slight advantage to the opposing force when it comes to dead planes everywhere - you know how our team offensive capabilities can be somewhat weak thanks to the new Corsair team defending the US goals - but the announcement made some hours ago about the commitment of the battlewagons surely tended to make the odds shift in Japan's favor. I would say 2 to 1 for Japan, but a draw would still be a positive result for the national team.

- Any reaction from the betters?

- We're receiving a lot of SMS over there, from cellular phones all over the Empire. Here are some comments: "U are gonna kick some a$$ U PzB bloke, I did bet a Sake bottle on your head, make me loose that and I'll kick you in the nut$!" written by some Yamashita, from Harbin, Madchoukuo; "You're a real friend PzB-san, get me some more work old bean" by an anonymous sender in Bethpage, NY state; "Everytime people talk about Balikpapan I can't help getting soooooooooo excited, do you have any pic of PzB naked? God Im sorry Im feeling so hot" by Nikademusha, Pluto (didn't know they had cellular relays up there). Apparently, everyone is expecting a lot from this encounter, and we shouldn't get surprised if the audience blows the ceilings tomorrow! Laurent for CNN, back to you now honey!

- Well thanks Laurent [facing the guest now]. Any comment from you Paukushawa-sama?

- All I can tell you for now is that our team coach is such a bad-a$$ you never know what kind of witty and sneaky plot he is planning back in his secret headquarters surrounded with his dozen submissed concubines. Fear the blade and the powder I can tell you it's gonna rock, maybe even twice like that time when Mogami-kun happened to come with her short skirt to my place last summer, with cherrytree flowers all over the area... The difference is that you don't sh*g PzB just like you'd sh*g Mogami-kun, I can tell you. Moreover...

- Well we get the picture I believe Admiral, thanks. Time now for the weather forecast!"

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 11:20:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		A most entertaining narrative Fish!
Sent you a picture of my secret weapon, the Tokyo Rose - which has to remain undercover
and hidden for the public

Here is a comparison table of max altitudes for Jap/Allied ac.
As you can see even Corsairs can't reach our Zekes...it will take P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and Spits.
Will be interesting...attacking capital ships with fighter Kamis will be quite ineffective.

Let's see what happens! Don't want to be Uber gamey, but the use of moderate amounts of high altitude
fighter Kamis may be a way to ensure that some bombers actually get through - which in all fairness I
think they should.




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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 11:28:33 PM   
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Sent you a picture of my secret weapon, the Tokyo Rose - which has to remain undercover
and hidden for the public

Well they'll have to kill me first before I reveal anything about your secret
But btw I can only encourage other people to write the same kind of awful stuff if they are to be rewarded the same way I was   

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 11:31:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think you ought to do the 38k feet dodge with your zekes.

They WILL wreak havoc with andys carriers and they will do it in a way that is totally unhistorical. No way could the Zeke dive fast enough to escape the F6F or the F4U. If it tried to outrun them it would just disintegrate.

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 11:31:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		And historically speaking there were two kamikaze flight profiles:

1. Moderate altitude diving to the deck as they encountered CAP/FlAK etc.

2. Ultra-high altitude diving attack.

The Japanese found that while the second was much less likely to be succesfully intercepted it was also much more likely to miss ( mostly due to compressibility effects) but it is a valid operational choice for you to make.

I would suggest that you not go for a one-day victory but plan a longer contest in which you attrit his fighter pools over his carriers over the course of a few days ( even at the cost of allowing the landing to go in). Once his fighter numbers ( and strike group numbers) are attrited then will be the time to send in kamis and the surface strike groups. If you send 500 kamis and strike planes in before his fighters are sufficiently attritted they will achieve little. Don't forget that so long as you can keep the airfield closed and force his carriers to withdraw any troops he lands in southern Borneo can be counter-invaded by your troops.

You have to ask yourself what your aim is? Is it to forestall an invasion occurring ( I think that is not achievable) or is it to end up in a superior strategic position one month from now ( which may well be achieved by allowing the invasion to occur as the price for gaining the time required to attrit enemy fighter and strike groups). Don't get seduced by the temptation to end this all quickly. Attrition, in this instance, works for you. Decisive action is likely to be almost entirely favourable to the Allies.

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RE: The Coming Battle - 8/10/2006 11:34:30 PM   
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The reason such diving attacks were succesful was simply because they allowed the Zeroes to get into position for the dive without having an F6F or somesuch on their tail at that instant. Sure if there were an F6F there then the dive would end in failure but in reality there is not always a plane in perfect position to intercept every attacking enemy bomber ( as the WiTP uebercap phenomenon would have you believe).

It happened in real life and was one of the two main historical attack profiles. I think that sufficiently answers any cries of "gameyness".

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