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Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 4:11:10 AM   
Hartley


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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 4:11:50 AM   
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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 5:01:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		How did you get your aircraft to attack, my planes are on ASW and at best all they do is spot subs, havent had one in Australia attack one yet. And the waters are teeming with subs.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 5:11:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it has to do with experience. Once my groups had been there for a while and logged some flight time, I got a few attacks. Nothing yet what I got in UV however.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 8:16:24 AM   
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Doesn't anyone find this odd? I thought submarines operated submerged the majority of the time in enemy waters during daylight. I think we spot subs by air much too often.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 8:21:57 AM   
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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 8:24:40 AM   
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I have yet to see anything that effective in my game... most of my sub sightings are by coastwatchers.


Attacks are rare enough in my games but it is early. It's all the sub sightings I get. Subs submerge before dawn in enemy waters. SOP

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 8:27:27 AM   
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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 9:01:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Depending on depth a sub is spottable from the air, depends on how high the aircraft is and the depth and color and sea state of the water.

Since most WW2 subs didnt dive deep it is possible to spot them from the air. Whether one would have the means to attack or not is another story )

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 10:21:50 AM   
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most german subs learned to dive deep to be not sighted by air...

but with the great barrier reef, i think any sub manouvering inside is death after detection. No room to escape, (i speak about deep sea and the change to escape out of this trap.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 10:56:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Submarine has to be at periscope depth to spot potential targets, which was to be around 5 - 6 meters below the sea level (if I am right)
This can be easely spoted by an airplane in clear waters and during good weather.
I read once that submarines during WWII, even submerged, were much easier to spot in Mediterranea than in Atlantic because of the clear waters...

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 11:12:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Butsubs did not always run at periscope depth, they came up for scheduled peeks and relied on hydrophone contacts as well. Only ran on surface at night orin transit, at least until air search radar was fitted.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 11:22:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		The general impression I've gathered of WWII sub operations is that remaining surfaced during daylight hours was the norm, and that submerging during daylight hours when no specific threat or target was present was the exception.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 11:26:03 AM   
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The general impression I've gathered of WWII sub operations is that remaining surfaced during daylight hours was the norm, and that submerging during daylight hours when no specific threat or target was present was the exception.


They stayed submerged primarily when in close proximity to enemy air bases...at least early in the war. Farther out, they ran on the surface. Depended on leaders,nationality, technology...tons of stuff. No biggie...justbugs me whenthe same sub is attacked on the surface multiple times a day. GET THE FRIG DOWN!

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 3:02:31 PM   
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They stayed submerged primarily when in close proximity to enemy air bases...at least early in the war. Farther out, they ran on the surface. Depended on leaders,nationality, technology...tons of stuff. No biggie...justbugs me whenthe same sub is attacked on the surface multiple times a day. GET THE FRIG DOWN!
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It doesn't bother me that a sub won't dive. Even a near-miss from a depth charge can damage a sub to the point that it would sink if it tried to dive. The crew could be trying to make emergency repairs.

I know some one is going to come back and say 'but the Sub wasn't damaged!'. This is one of the times that I let my inagination fill in for a gap in the game. This game is great and I am willing to let a few things slide.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 4:33:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's my limited exprience that you need a combo of ASW patrol groups to spot, and naval attack/search groups to actually go after the subs.

Even SBDs on NA with 10% search will attack subs.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 4:43:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		How much affect does the shallow water have? could this be a reason these subs are attacked more frequently? Easier to spot a sub at 100 feet against the sandy bottiom at 150 than if there was no seen bottom ?

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 6:51:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		When there are multiple subs in a single hex the spotting/attacking chances from the air go up by several orders of magnitude. In shallow water it's even worse.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 6:59:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		You may want to notcie that many of the same subs were attacked by different planes which would be a logic issue with me as if you were spotted once you would tend to "lay low" for a while. Understanding this is a 12 hour turn I can be forgiving on this point though! LOL

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 9:43:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		If there are inside the great barrier reef they will be visible by air, its shallow clear water, not the best place to be in daylight. Perhaps shallow water reflect this.

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RE: Sub hunting in the Great Barrier Reef - 9/13/2004 9:59:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hartley

It's my limited exprience that you need a combo of ASW patrol groups to spot, and naval attack/search groups to actually go after the subs.

Even SBDs on NA with 10% search will attack subs.


So is that the secret? Use ASW to locate them but use Naval Attack to actually hit them. I always just assumed that ASW did the attacking while Naval Search did the locating.

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