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Operation "Desperate Gamble" - 10/22/2004 9:10:15 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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Status: offline 		Wellington in trouble.




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RE: Operation "Desperate Gamble" - 10/22/2004 10:04:04 PM   
Zeta16


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From: Columbus. Ohio
Status: offline 		He better have landed 5 or 6 divisons to take Wellington. This operation has cost him at least two CVE's and maybe the Junyo or Hiyo. I hit one of these carriers with two trops and hit the other with a 1000 bomb. At least they will be in the yard for repairs. He now has lost over 1000 zero's and is commiting way to much to the New Zeland operation. If he takes what will it do. I don't move any more supply to Oz from the US any ways, except in the first two months of the game. I have moved great amounts from India and enough to last a long time. He will take the Clark Field and the rest because I can't get any more supply there. and it only starts with so much. Singapore has over 250,000 supply and enogh oil and resoures to produce a lot more supply. He will take DEI but it will cost him a lot more ships and planes if he wants to take it. He has lost a lot more pilots than I have. I have had about double the amount of planes destoried on the ground than he and he has lost almost 1000 more planes than me. So he is hurting in the pilot department. Burma and China still holding out and are getting more troops as the days go on. In the Alaska area no one is really doing anything.

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RE: Operation "Desperate Gamble" - 10/22/2004 10:58:10 PM   
WiTP_Dude


Posts: 1434
Joined: 7/3/2004
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/19/42

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Coastal Guns at hex 62,138 firing, at TF 3
TF 3 troops unloading over beach at 62,138
Landings above Wellington continue.


136 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Mochizuki

Japanese ground losses:
1175 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Coastal Guns at hex 62,138 firing, at TF 27
TF 27 troops unloading over beach at 62,138


Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at hex 62,138 firing, at TF 41
TF 41 troops unloading over beach at 62,138


Japanese ground losses:
378 casualties reported

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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39
Victoria Point taking heavy night attacks.

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 21
B-17E Fortress x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-27 Nate: 2 destroyed
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 57

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
22 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85
Resources easier to hit at night.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M Nell x 15
G4M1 Betty x 17

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 12000 feet
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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Coastal Guns at hex 62,138 firing, at TF 3
TF 3 troops unloading over beach at 62,138


208 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
1032 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Coastal Guns at hex 62,138 firing, at TF 27
TF 27 troops unloading over beach at 62,138


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Coastal Guns at hex 62,138 firing, at TF 41
TF 41 troops unloading over beach at 62,138


24 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38
Attacks continue on Kweilin.

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 126

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 41

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
27 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
29 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
D3A Val x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 49
Ki-48 Lily x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
23 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
23 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Ayato Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Atago

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wellington , at 61,139

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
D3A Val x 6
B5N Kate x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A Val: 5 destroyed
B5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Tuscaloosa City, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP President Coolidge, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Yarra, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Cessnock, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 58,135
Two CVEs sunk protecting Wellington landings.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Auckland

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 63840 troops, 784 guns, 37 vehicles

Defending force 92826 troops, 691 guns, 22 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking
Chungrad about to heat up again.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 231381 troops, 1741 guns, 156 vehicles

Defending force 262597 troops, 1035 guns, 73 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
237 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 37777 troops, 370 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24750 troops, 102 guns, 15 vehicles



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Ground combat at Clark Field
Allies hurting at Clark Field.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44245 troops, 330 guns, 148 vehicles

Defending force 56908 troops, 135 guns, 166 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Hansa

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 365 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hansa base !!!



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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1848 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 44095 troops, 390 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75736 troops, 691 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 70945 troops, 812 guns, 79 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported
Guns lost 1







AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/20/42


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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 12
B-17E Fortress x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 41

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M Nell x 11
G4M1 Betty x 13

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
11 x G3M Nell bombing at 12000 feet
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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 10

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 123

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 65

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
33 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Another successful raid.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
Ki-21 Sally x 57
Ki-48 Lily x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 17
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 14 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
272 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 3
B-26B Marauder x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Shoan Maru
AP Tamaki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 5
Beaufort V-IX x 2
B-26B Marauder x 3


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Nanrei Maru
CA Atago, Bomb hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 59,133


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 59,133


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 8
Hudson I x 3
B-26B Marauder x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 59,133


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 7
Hudson I x 6


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AO Ondo, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Auckland

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 63930 troops, 784 guns, 38 vehicles

Defending force 92868 troops, 692 guns, 22 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Guns lost 9


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 232199 troops, 1771 guns, 158 vehicles

Defending force 263809 troops, 1063 guns, 73 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
94 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 37986 troops, 377 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24790 troops, 102 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Clark Field

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44507 troops, 333 guns, 148 vehicles

Defending force 56828 troops, 136 guns, 167 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
142 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Reinforcements arrive at Soerabaja.

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1774 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 56968 troops, 521 guns, 6 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75571 troops, 685 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 71161 troops, 816 guns, 80 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Post #: 333
Clark Field Taken - 10/23/2004 9:23:16 PM   
WiTP_Dude


Posts: 1434
Joined: 7/3/2004
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/21/42

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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 21
B-17E Fortress x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 4
G4M1 Betty x 13

No Japanese losses

Manpower hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 9000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 12000 feet
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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 69,114
Sub sunk.

Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki
DD Shigure
DD Arare
DD Akizuki
CS Mizuho

Allied Ships
SS S-23, hits 3, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
B-26B Marauder x 2


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Tamaki Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AO Ondo, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
Fortifications reduced to 0 again.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 257599 troops, 1788 guns, 158 vehicles

Defending force 264837 troops, 1072 guns, 75 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
4852 casualties reported
Guns lost 122
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
2275 casualties reported
Guns lost 62


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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 82870 troops, 1036 guns, 9 vehicles

Defending force 100902 troops, 266 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
309 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Need engineers.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 55472 troops, 520 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 24767 troops, 100 guns, 16 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)


Japanese ground losses:
1050 casualties reported
Guns lost 27
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
391 casualties reported
Guns lost 14


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Ground combat at Clark Field
Allies retreat to Manila.


Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 62097 troops, 340 guns, 284 vehicles

Defending force 56631 troops, 137 guns, 167 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Clark Field base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
614 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
2026 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 8


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Ground combat at Gasmata

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1506 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2195 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1580 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 55823 troops, 479 guns, 4 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75709 troops, 689 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 71320 troops, 820 guns, 80 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 2






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/22/42


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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40
Nothing can stop the night attack.

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 16
B-17E Fortress x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 61

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
14 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 47,48

Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo
DD Natsugumo

Allied Ships
SS Sculpin

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Keeping the pressure on Chungking defenses.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 76
Ki-48 Lily x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
516 casualties reported

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 52

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
12 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD Dauntless x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 7
B-26B Marauder x 2


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Gokoku Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Heian Maru
DD Mochizuki
AP Tatuwa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Teikei Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Hakka Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Atago

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hoeisan Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Cheribon Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 210325 troops, 1481 guns, 7 vehicles

Defending force 261712 troops, 1002 guns, 75 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
332 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 82885 troops, 1038 guns, 9 vehicles

Defending force 100301 troops, 265 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
167 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Gasmata

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1503 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2052 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1607 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 56227 troops, 486 guns, 4 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75782 troops, 690 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 71441 troops, 822 guns, 80 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

(in reply to WiTP_Dude)
Post #: 334
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 3:32:42 AM   
WiTP_Dude


Posts: 1434
Joined: 7/3/2004
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/27/42

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Night Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 14

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 41


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Hakonesan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AK Tetsuzan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sagara Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Hozan Maru #5, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Rahaeng , at 31,35


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 15


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Darwin , at 36,84

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 78

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 57

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
33 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
19 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 72
Ki-48 Lily x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 18
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
151 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
G3M Nell x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 54,130
US carrier comes out of the clouds to sink transports.

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 36
TBD Devastator x 15


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBD Devastator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Atlantic Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nowaki, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Makigumo
AK Hoeisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 56,132


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Delagoa Maru, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 54,132


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 15


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Tamaki Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 55,131


Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kashu Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 56,132


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Delagoa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 55,131


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 18


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Arabia Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AP Nanrei Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 55,132


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Tatuwa Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Gasmata

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4122 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 698 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 84 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
368 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wellington
Wellington on the ropes.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62584 troops, 722 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 28411 troops, 307 guns, 12 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 291096 troops, 2500 guns, 326 vehicles

Defending force 262815 troops, 1037 guns, 75 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 51505 troops, 503 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24423 troops, 91 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila
Manila will fall soon.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26799 troops, 316 guns, 145 vehicles

Defending force 59517 troops, 154 guns, 64 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Hollandia

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 311 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hollandia base !!!



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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1520 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 58046 troops, 523 guns, 5 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75882 troops, 687 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 71958 troops, 823 guns, 83 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/28/42


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ASW attack near Kragen at 22,63
Miss.

Japanese Ships
APD APD-38
APD APD-36
APD APD-34
APD APD-33
APD APD-31

Allied Ships
SS KVIII

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Night Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 14

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 31


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Sagara Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Hozan Maru #5, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Tetsuzan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hakonesan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Rahaeng , at 31,35


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 22


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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ASW attack at 72,41
Miss.

Japanese Ships
DD Minazuki
DD Samidare
DD Oboro
DD Inazuma
DD Wakaba
DD Hatsuharu
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Albacore

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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 113

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
98 casualties reported

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 66

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
25 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
28 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
19 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 70
Ki-48 Lily x 31
Ki-49 Helen x 19
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
185 casualties reported

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 84

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
14 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
G3M Nell x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 54,130
Americans slaughter the innocent.

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 32
TBD Devastator x 15


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBD Devastator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Bengal Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Makigumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Humburugu Maru, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,131


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Ayato Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,131


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kozui Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 54,129


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Keiyo Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 58,128


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 13


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Meiten Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,131


Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 11


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Arabia Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kozui Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,131


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Arabia Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Seiwa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 72,41
Miss.

Japanese Ships
DD Minazuki
DD Samidare
DD Oboro
DD Inazuma
DD Wakaba
DD Hatsuharu
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Albacore

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ASW attack at 34,55
Sunk.

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 9
PC Ch 8
PG Tatsumiya Maru
PG Muro Maru
PG Eifuku Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #18
PC Shimushu

Allied Ships
SS KXVI, hits 5, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Gasmata
Gasmata cleared.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4057 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 255 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 64 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wellington

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 62757 troops, 725 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 28289 troops, 304 guns, 12 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking
My force at Chungking is getting very big again.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 292064 troops, 2534 guns, 328 vehicles

Defending force 263225 troops, 1040 guns, 75 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 51832 troops, 505 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 24456 troops, 95 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26854 troops, 320 guns, 146 vehicles

Defending force 59392 troops, 154 guns, 66 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
213 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1550 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 58373 troops, 525 guns, 6 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75875 troops, 688 guns, 20 vehicles

Defending force 72172 troops, 824 guns, 83 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Post #: 335
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 7:36:08 AM   
ADavidB


Posts: 2464
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Status: offline 		Wow - it looks like I've spent the entire evening reading this AAR. The thing that surprises me the most is that Dude has taken such huge losses in planes and ships and yet he can maintain his multiple assaults and keep them supplied. Obviously the Japanese are better prepared for the war than most of us assumed - I've never tried to be that agressive because I've always been concerned about running "out of gas". I also hate to take such huge losses - I guess that I'll have to adjust my strategy from now on.

I wonder if all the OOB and other changes in 1.30 or 1.40 will affect this?

Thanks for the effort to post all this.

Dave Baranyi

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Post #: 336
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:19:22 AM   
WiTP_Dude


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

Wow - it looks like I've spent the entire evening reading this AAR. The thing that surprises me the most is that Dude has taken such huge losses in planes and ships and yet he can maintain his multiple assaults and keep them supplied. Obviously the Japanese are better prepared for the war than most of us assumed - I've never tried to be that agressive because I've always been concerned about running "out of gas". I also hate to take such huge losses - I guess that I'll have to adjust my strategy from now on.

I wonder if all the OOB and other changes in 1.30 or 1.40 will affect this?

Thanks for the effort to post all this.

Dave Baranyi


You will not run out of gas and supply as long as you take half of the DEI early on. You can go for several months or years on just this alone. Every Japanese player should try to go for at least a little bit more than was taken historically.

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Post #: 337
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:21:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/28/42

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Day Air attack on TF at 54,130
Americans slaughter the innocent.

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 32
TBD Devastator x 15


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBD Devastator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Bengal Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Makigumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Humburugu Maru, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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HA! Ain't no such thing as an "innocent" Jap!

I do have to admit I'm impressed that you're still launching new landings as far as New Zealand this late.

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Post #: 338
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 9:28:32 AM   
sveint


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Status: offline 		Fairly obvious that the Allies are headed for an early victory.

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Post #: 339
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 12:24:28 PM   
ADavidB


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ORIGINAL: sveint

Fairly obvious that the Allies are headed for an early victory.


I'm not sure that is any more obvious than the predictions earlier on in the AAR that Dude was going to flounder at Hawaii. (I'm assuming that you didn't forget to put a "smiley" in your post.)

Dude's strategy of grabbing all those Easetern Pacific Islands with reasonably-sized forces has banished the US to the West Coast until late 1942. The game doesn't model what might have been the probable US reaction to a successful invasion of Hawaii, which likley would have been to move massive reinforcements to the West Coast - this only happens in the game if an invasion of the mainland occurs.

So, Zeta has a tough row to hoe ahead of him, particularly since he is short of BBs - assuming that Dude is putting CDs in those Eastern Pacific bases, as he has done in Alaska, it is going to be costly for Zeta to invade those islands, even when he has his carriers showing up in late 42/early 43. And even if Zeta decides to bypass Hawaii he will need to grab some islands to allow for refueling points. And even with a few Eastern Pacific bases in 43 Zeta is going to have problems grabbing territory in the Central Pacific without good surface forces to bombard bases. Additionally, Zeta needs forward bases from which to project the airpower that he will be getting. He can't fly/ship his planes around "the other way" to India.

On the "other side" of the map, Zeta is also going to have a tough time projecting British power back into Southeast Asia. He shouldn't be relying upon Singapore so heavily - Dude has shown elsewhere how a determined Japanese player can take fortresses which are guarded by the less-than-impressive troops in the early part of the war. Unless Zeta has been able to get some good troops into Singapore, Dude will be able to bring his troops out of the Phillipines and take Singapore with them.

As things stand, despite all of Dude's losses in ships and planes, I think that he will be able to hold off the Allied counterattack in 43, and if Zeta isn't careful, maybe in 44 also. But then, I could be wrong, because I was sure wrong earlier on when I underestimated Dude's potential to do so much damage in the Central Pacific.

BTW - "way back when", Dude was able to land some 20K of troops onto Midway. I didn't think that there was enough physical space on Midway to put 20K of troops. Wasn't there supposed to be some limitation on the number of troops landing and staying on atolls?

Dave Baranyi

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Post #: 340
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 12:34:37 PM   
ADavidB


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ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

You will not run out of gas and supply as long as you take half of the DEI early on. You can go for several months or years on just this alone. Every Japanese player should try to go for at least a little bit more than was taken historically.


That's interesting to know. I was always under the assumption that the Japanese had supply problems in mid-42 when they were in control of the entire SRA. You are waging some costly campaigns on four or five fronts and yet you can still supply them. Usually I find that just trying to replace aircraft losses eats up tons of my supply - and you have incredibly high aircraft losses. I'm particularly surprised that you Chinese campaign has been able to go so well. Are you running only on the supply that is generated in China or are you shipping in additional supply?

BTW - how well have your engineers been doing at repairing the facilities at the bases that you have captured? I always find the slow pace of Japanese engineers to be really frustrating.

Thanks again -

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 12:41:56 PM   
rhondabrwn


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Status: offline 		I've spent all night reading this... fascinating!

It really is a fresh look at what the Japanese could have done. It is a tribute to the game design that we can see this much flexibility in strategic approach that is realistic (and not some exploit of the design to produce a completely impossible result).

My biggest regret in watching this played out is that the Japanese had to start with historic deployments. I certainly hope that someone will create a mod which includes some alternative deployments to suit different Japanese strategies like the "Hirohito Plan". The Japanese made the decision to start the war, their deployments should be easily customizable and be a surprise to the allied player.

One thing we have to realize about this game is that since everyone knew in advance what strategy was going to be played it gave the allied player an advantage in determining his response.

Will we have an AAR where someone actually gets surprised by this approach? I'd like to see that one!

If you were going to publish this alternative history, you already have over 1400 printable pages for this thread (I actually pulled a few sections into a PDF file and they ran from 102 to 162 pages each!

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 12:53:38 PM   
ADavidB


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Status: offline 		As I consider this AAR more, I keep coming back to one question - what can an Allied player do to stop a determined Japanese player from taking the Central Pacific as Dude has done? Although it is easy to second guess some of Zeta's errors, in reality he hasn't made that many, and Dude has probably made as many or more which cost him ships that he might not have lost. So in my estimation, Dude could be at the same point and have a lot fewer ship losses if he had used some of his current tactics during the first couple of months of the campaign.

Which gets me back to what should be the "best" Allied strategy in such a game?


  • Try to pull out as many troops and as many ships as possible ahead of the assaults?
  • Try to move more troops forward to a key base such as Hawaii, again ahead of the assaults?
  • Abandon the existing troops, pull out ships and planes, and wait until 1943?


The real challange is how to handle the KB. Allied Naval air power is modelled to be so weak in 41/42 that it is prohibitive to challange the KB, even if the KB splits itself up. With the KB sitting off of Hawaii, the cost of sending reinforcements to Hawaii becomes prohibitively high. Do you then consider using New Zealand as the major staging point and send the troops there? I would have never thought so until I saw Dude's NZ campaign get going. If Zeta had moved a Marine division to NZ, along with some of those big US tac-bomber and FB groups, Dude and the reminents of the KB might have had a much harder time.

I would be interested in seeing other folks ideas on how to react to a Dude-style onslaught.

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

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Post #: 343
RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 2:38:24 PM   
ADavidB


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Status: offline 		"Will we have an AAR where someone actually gets surprised by this approach? I'd like to see that one! "

I think that we ALL got surprised by this one. Dude has effectively changed the complexion of the game with his play here. We've all assumed that the Japanese player could only try to avoid the mistakes of history, then try to delay the "inevitable". But Dude has rewritten the rules.

Sure, Dude has lost a lot of ships and planes, but we all assume that the Japanese player will lose those eventually anyway. But Dude hasn't lost his armies, and the Allied player will still need to overcome those armies, and the Allies are starting from a lot farther back.

And remember, in WitP, Japanese armies are really REALLY hard to kill. The Allied player is still going to have to grab the same bases as were historically important in order to try to defeat the Japanese war-making capabilities via air power.

And let's not forget Dude's sucesses in China - it will be a lot harder for the Allies to threaten Japan with airpower from the Far East now - the interceptors that would otherwise have to protect Japan from air attacks from China will be able to focus on attacks from the Pacific instead of splitting themselves.

Right now, the only area that is threatened is the DEI because Zeta can mount air attacks from there on the oil and resource centers. Dude may want to take those Australian bases that border on the DEI in order to keep the heavy bombers away.

I think that we all owe Dude a lot of thanks for showing us that the game doesn't have to follow a set pattern - this will make PBEM games a lot more interesting in the future.

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 5:27:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		It simply shows that by exploiting the turn one rules you can destroy the allied defence in the first week. After that its a matter of shipping troops around the map and taking all the objectives virtually unopposed.

The constraint on the Jap player early is not transport shipping, it is air and navel assets needed to properly support invasions which may be opposed. If there is no longer any effective opposition then these supporting assets are no longer a constraint.

Given any historically plausable first turn the allied player will be able to put up a more effective defence.

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:16:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well you guys are right I knew what he was going to do in the central Pacific and there is not any thing I could do. I had no fleet except one carrier and that escaped to the South Pacific and still is fighting today. You can't get troops to PH because you do not get AP's for a long time and AK's and TK's come about a month into the war. At this point I think I have gotten 10 or less AP's as reinforcements. I have moved a Mairne Divison to NZ they have been there for a couple of months. That is why he has not taken NZ. He is now trying to take Wellington, but it should hold I hope. You really can't defend the DEI unless you empty Oz and then he could just move there. The goal in DEI is to hurt him as much as I can, and hope my eng. can blow some wells up. Also I am trying to make Sinapore a tough nut to crack and he could take it if he really wants, since I can't really send any troops into it and they can't get out with the ships going to the bottom. So it is a 9 fort with a good airfield, which he knows has given his planes trouble already. Also from there I can hit many of the DEI oil fields from it. I have a good force in Burma and a good air field in Rangoon and now it is well suppilied. All of my bases in Northen India around Diamond Harbor have 999,999 supply and a lot of planes. The only bad thing is I have so many planes on the West Coast and there is no where for them to go to get some action. So the Allies can not move until I start getting some more Ap's and the P38.

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:34:34 PM   
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Fairly obvious that the Allies are headed for an early victory.


You seem bitter.

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:42:04 PM   
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Dude's strategy of grabbing all those Easetern Pacific Islands with reasonably-sized forces has banished the US to the West Coast until late 1942. The game doesn't model what might have been the probable US reaction to a successful invasion of Hawaii, which likley would have been to move massive reinforcements to the West Coast - this only happens in the game if an invasion of the mainland occurs.


The Allies don't get many transport boats for a long time. They can't really take anything back for a year or more. They only took Lunga because the Japanese defense consisted of a few engineers. Plus losing PH means they have no forward base.

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So, Zeta has a tough row to hoe ahead of him, particularly since he is short of BBs - assuming that Dude is putting CDs in those Eastern Pacific bases, as he has done in Alaska, it is going to be costly for Zeta to invade those islands, even when he has his carriers showing up in late 42/early 43. And even if Zeta decides to bypass Hawaii he will need to grab some islands to allow for refueling points. And even with a few Eastern Pacific bases in 43 Zeta is going to have problems grabbing territory in the Central Pacific without good surface forces to bombard bases. Additionally, Zeta needs forward bases from which to project the airpower that he will be getting. He can't fly/ship his planes around "the other way" to India.


This is why New Zealand needs to be taken. You can't allow the Allies to have any place to put aircraft. Let them sit idle in Australia and the United States for as long as possible.

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On the "other side" of the map, Zeta is also going to have a tough time projecting British power back into Southeast Asia. He shouldn't be relying upon Singapore so heavily - Dude has shown elsewhere how a determined Japanese player can take fortresses which are guarded by the less-than-impressive troops in the early part of the war. Unless Zeta has been able to get some good troops into Singapore, Dude will be able to bring his troops out of the Phillipines and take Singapore with them.


The Commonwealth is fairly strong in Burma and Malay. However when I get reinforcements, I'll be able to overwhelm them one at a time.

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As things stand, despite all of Dude's losses in ships and planes, I think that he will be able to hold off the Allied counterattack in 43, and if Zeta isn't careful, maybe in 44 also. But then, I could be wrong, because I was sure wrong earlier on when I underestimated Dude's potential to do so much damage in the Central Pacific.


Zeta can land at an island but he has to make sure he brings along at least 2 divisions plus several carriers. Otherwise I don't think it will be enough.

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BTW - "way back when", Dude was able to land some 20K of troops onto Midway. I didn't think that there was enough physical space on Midway to put 20K of troops. Wasn't there supposed to be some limitation on the number of troops landing and staying on atolls?


It's doubtful all twenty thousand troops were on the island at the same time. Anyway there are no limitations on the number of defenders or attackers you can place on an atoll.

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:46:08 PM   
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That's interesting to know. I was always under the assumption that the Japanese had supply problems in mid-42 when they were in control of the entire SRA. You are waging some costly campaigns on four or five fronts and yet you can still supply them. Usually I find that just trying to replace aircraft losses eats up tons of my supply - and you have incredibly high aircraft losses. I'm particularly surprised that you Chinese campaign has been able to go so well. Are you running only on the supply that is generated in China or are you shipping in additional supply?


No, I have to send supply to China for each offensive. Once I take Chungrad the Chinese are finished. Dozens of free Japanese divisions will then pour across the border into Burma and India, destroying 100,000 commonwealth troops at Rangoon in the process.

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BTW - how well have your engineers been doing at repairing the facilities at the bases that you have captured? I always find the slow pace of Japanese engineers to be really frustrating.


There hasn't been that much damage to fix. Most of my engineers are in the Pacific building everything up to level 9 fortifications.

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 8:50:37 PM   
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My biggest regret in watching this played out is that the Japanese had to start with historic deployments. I certainly hope that someone will create a mod which includes some alternative deployments to suit different Japanese strategies like the "Hirohito Plan". The Japanese made the decision to start the war, their deployments should be easily customizable and be a surprise to the allied player.


Yes, I think it would help a lot to shift more divisions to the east. Otherwise the Japanese player should invade Luzon first before moving onto Pearl Harbor. You have to build up Hilo and Lanhia first before invading PH. This can take awhile.

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If you were going to publish this alternative history, you already have over 1400 printable pages for this thread (I actually pulled a few sections into a PDF file and they ran from 102 to 162 pages each!


"Alternative History of the Pacific War: Tojo goes Bananas"

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 9:00:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The hirohito plan surely is nice to read

and i don't understand why so many are so bitter about it. the fun is to play and sometimes have some different strategies otherwise all games become similar.

I still wonder how Japanese will be able to defend PH on '43 and in pacific and in guinea.

Allies surely will start their offensive behind schedule since they have to take back bases that normally ALlies have when pass on offensive.
On the other side, Once taken, Japan will lose fast since lot of troops will be lost at first Allies offensive.
It will be interesting to read how it ends.

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No Troop Limits on Atolls??? - 10/24/2004 9:07:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		"It's doubtful all twenty thousand troops were on the island at the same time. Anyway there are no limitations on the number of defenders or attackers you can place on an atoll. "

Huh!!! Are you sure? I was positive that this was supposed to be changed in WitP so that the number of troops put onto an atoll was limited. Mog/Pry/Kid - can any of you clear this up?

If you are right, this means that we are back to where we were years ago in Pacwar when you could put several divisions onto an atoll and keep it forever.

Thanks -

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 9:10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		"No, I have to send supply to China for each offensive. Once I take Chungrad the Chinese are finished. Dozens of free Japanese divisions will then pour across the border into Burma and India, destroying 100,000 commonwealth troops at Rangoon in the process. "

Have you been able to maintain your quotas of troops at the various Chinese cities in order to keep the "peasant revolts" down, or are you ignoring them?

Thanks again -

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Zeta's dilema - 10/24/2004 9:16:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I have moved a Mairne Divison to NZ they have been there for a couple of months. That is why he has not taken NZ."

Ahah, that's how you did it.

"The only bad thing is I have so many planes on the West Coast and there is no where for them to go to get some action. So the Allies can not move until I start getting some more Ap's and the P38. "

APs are no good for moving planes, you need AKs for that. One AK can carry an entire bomber force. If you slipped some B-26s into southern NZ you could mess up the Japanese attacks big time. And even P-39s would help - put them on Naval Attack, 50% CAP and let them work. Dude can't mass enough carrier air power any more to take stop a 50 plane group of P-39s attacking with a 50 plane group of B-26s. (or some other medium bomber.)

BTW - were you able to save many of your naval search planes? How good is your intelligence on Dude's movements?

Thanks again -

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/24/2004 9:48:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		No I ment when I get the P38 I can do invasions easier because of it's range. I saved all of the groups from Hawaii and the Phillipines who could fly out. They still don't see much. I have several groups in NZ and they don't see any thing until it is on top of you. I can't really see into the South China Sea even though I have a lot of ships there, or maybe there is not much traffic there. I did get some b26's into NZ and they have hit a few ships along with the Beauforts and Dautless I have there. However, they along with Shore guns really don't do much in stopping troops coming a shore. I have sunk so many ships when he has landed in Nz, Java, and PH it really doesn't kill many troops. If they come in numbers they seem to land everything. If you look at the AAR's you will see a lot of his ships hit while landing troops, and to me it did not really help out because they still came a shore and most usually get disabled and recover in a few turns. I think these ships getting hit during landing should have a lot more troops killed. So all that happens is ships get sunk but CD won't stop an landing because they are real inaffective aganist the landing troops. You would think a landing aganist good CD's in PH and Aukland would kill more troops than thye have in the game. Other than that Japan can move at will because the allies have strength but it is spread out and with out contol of the sea it is hard to move troops any where with out the ship going to the bottom. Also it is true. If japan wants to take Buram and more over there GB can not stop them, they do not have a lot of allast strength for a long time, and will never have more than Japan if Japan brings a lot of forces.

Also just want to point out that the Allied sub doc suchs, not like everyone did not know that. I can count on my hand the number of times in 8 months my subs can even tried an attack. When he invaded PH I had a ton of subs around there and only few shot trops. Also I have had a lot of subs around DEI and they rarly if ever shot at any thing. I think I have had more subs sunk than attacks by my subs. In my games as Japan without the sub doc, my convoys that are well protected seem to lose ships all the time to Dutch subs and US subs early in the game. I think Japan in our game would be doing a lot worse if the doc was off because I have a feeling he would have lost a lot of ships in the PH area and these ay have sunk with he troops in the open sea where they would have died.

Other than that I hope I can hold on in China and counter attack some where else on the map before 42 is out.

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Try This Possible Outcome - 10/24/2004 10:39:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen some commentary on the History Channel to the effect that Nazi Germany transferred nuclear material to Japan in the closing days of the ETO and that the Japanese were extremely close to having their own nuclear weapon when we managed to hit first.

Now, I don't know if WITP has any provision for Japan getting an A-Bomb, but if Dude has actually delayed the eventual fall of the Mariannas and the establishment of our B-29 bomber force on Saipan, then we would have to consider the possibility that Japan would now have a nuclear capability before she could be crushed by overwhelming Allied force.

Thus, in theory anyway, Dude could actually win this thing for Japan.. or at least a negotiated peace.

Interesting turn of events, eh?

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RE: Try This Possible Outcome - 10/24/2004 10:50:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you trust all of that crap on the History channel. The way they make things look if just a few things changed Germany and japan would have won the war. There shows just try to get the wow factor. In one the basically stated that japan would of sunk almost all of the american fleet of Japan if they tried to invade. Have you noticed that all of their shows are super weapons of Third Reich or Japan never that of the Allies.

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RE: Try This Possible Outcome - 10/24/2004 10:52:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very enjoyable read, and two day turns no less! (the only way to go for me in PBEM due to time contraints)

If you want another Allied guini pig Dude....i'll take a stab.

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RE: Clark Field Taken - 10/24/2004 11:44:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kaiser73

The hirohito plan surely is nice to read

and i don't understand why so many are so bitter about it. the fun is to play and sometimes have some different strategies otherwise all games become similar.

I still wonder how Japanese will be able to defend PH on '43 and in pacific and in guinea.

Allies surely will start their offensive behind schedule since they have to take back bases that normally ALlies have when pass on offensive.
On the other side, Once taken, Japan will lose fast since lot of troops will be lost at first Allies offensive.
It will be interesting to read how it ends.


I question everything. Too many people say you can't do this or you can't do that before even playing the game. No one has played this one to the end yet so it can't be said with certainty what will happen in future years.

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RE: No Troop Limits on Atolls??? - 10/24/2004 11:45:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ADavidB

"It's doubtful all twenty thousand troops were on the island at the same time. Anyway there are no limitations on the number of defenders or attackers you can place on an atoll. "

Huh!!! Are you sure? I was positive that this was supposed to be changed in WitP so that the number of troops put onto an atoll was limited. Mog/Pry/Kid - can any of you clear this up?

If you are right, this means that we are back to where we were years ago in Pacwar when you could put several divisions onto an atoll and keep it forever.

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi


There are supply limitations based on the size of the port. However you can place as many units as you want on an atoll.

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