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RE: Try This Possible Outcome - 10/24/2004 11:45:56 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Very enjoyable read, and two day turns no less! (the only way to go for me in PBEM due to time contraints)

If you want another Allied guini pig Dude....i'll take a stab.


Maybe after I'm done playing with Zeta. One match is enough for me.

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RE: Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style - 10/25/2004 12:48:04 AM   
Jim D Burns


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Status: offline 		Well after spending the morning reading this thread, I must say I am very dismayed. Ever since the games release I’ve thought ground combat was too easy in this game, and this thread overwhelmingly confirms it.

China had been a stalemated slugfest for the Japanese for almost 5 years by the time this game starts, but dude has managed to capture almost the entire country in just a few months. If this doesn’t set off alarm bells in our community, I don’t know what else will.

Pearl Harbor fell after only a few weeks of fighting. Come on! There are multiple well entrenched divisions defending that island along with lots of smaller forces. No way it would only take a couple of weeks to clear, even if the US troops were green recruits, their sheer numbers would have required well over a month or more to clear. Given their preparedness and troop experience levels, that fight should have lasted for months.

Guadalcanal lasted 6 months! Okinawa lasted over 2 full months after the landings, and the allies had MASSIVE air and naval superiority. In this game the Japanese were getting mauled at PH, so no one can claim they had massive superiority. Iwo Jima lasted 6 weeks. Time and again I can point to historical invasions (on much smaller scales) that lasted twice to three times the length of engagements in this AAR.

Dude even stated his ground troops were almost as good as new and ready to be used elsewhere on the same turn the battle ended. If this doesn’t cry out for a redress by Matrix regarding the broken land combat engine, I don’t know what does.

I have no problem with the Japanese being able to achieve these kinds of successes, only it should take them months to see these campaigns come to a conclusion, not merely a few weeks. Additionally units should require 6-8 months or more for refits after such heavy engagements.

Personally I would like to see base capture ratios pushed from 2-1 up to 8-1. Additionally I think all Chinese ground units should start at full strength (just like the Japanese) and have their experience bumped up to the 50-60 range. They should also be redeployed along the entire front right up against all Japanese holdings. Japan found it almost impossible to move anywhere in China without getting surrounded, the deployments should reflect this threat.

Finally I think forts should take almost as long to reduce as they do to build!

Jim

< Message edited by Jim D Burns -- 10/25/2004 12:22:58 AM >

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/25/2004 2:28:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		"You would think a landing aganist good CD's in PH and Aukland would kill more troops than they have in the game."

Against an atoll that ought to be fairly true, but against large islands like Hawaii or NZ, the model is a compromise. Typically, large fixed CD forts were placed to protect the entrances to important harbors. So a bombardment force going in to bombard a base should have to withstand the full force of the CDs. However, an invasion 30 miles down the coast would be out of the range of the fixed CDs and only the mobile artillary would be able to shoot.

Now, if the game was modelling an invasion more accurately, a landing at some distance from a major base should take some time to organize and move against the base. Unfortunately, the land system in WitP doesn't model this - the model assumption is that the troops are immediately in place to assault the base.

So, with the current model, you get a bonus as the defender because your big guns can blast the incoming transports. However, the damage model for transports is such that they are actually fairly hard to sink - I suspect that the model is based upon how bulk transports tended to be fairly durable if there was nothing terribly flammable on board. (I remember reading about an iron ore freighter going to Russia via the northern route that got repeatedly bombed by the Luftwaffe, almost as target practice, but wouldn't sink because the Germans didn't have any air launched torpedoes that they could use at that distance, and the bombs couldn't do enough damage against what was effectively a cargo of rocks.)

Essentially, the only sure way to stop and invasion is to have some surface forces there to intercept the incoming fleet, and you haven't been in a position to do that very often. And unlike in Pacwar and UV, incoming invasion fleets in WitP don't get totally scared off and unwilling to try again when they run into a little surface fire from a PT boat - you need to have something that can shoot hard and take punishment.

The lesson here is that in WitP you need to be prepared to expend your surface forces against invasion TFs if you want to stop invasions.

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/25/2004 3:57:16 AM   
Zeta16


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Status: offline 		Well that is hard to do since most got sunk on the first today's of the war. During beta and such everyone keep pointing out that is why there were almost no landings aganist places with fixed guns. I guess my beef is that CD guns are usless aganidst landings because they don't stop them at all. Yes they sink ships, but do not kill many troops. The Americans had a lot of problems aganist places like tawara and did face this much later than this attack. But I bet they would have taken a lot of death's if the Japanese contested more landings. The Allies I lot fire power in the moble art and machine guns. They have air search and are going to know where the landing is coming to move troops to be there when it lands. I think these places with would have been blood for the Japanese, they still may have taken them but I think there would have been a lot more deaths were ever they land by these major allied bases.

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Another Carrier Battle - 10/25/2004 5:51:26 AM   
WiTP_Dude


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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/02/42

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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 19


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
7 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Sub attack at 89,44

Allied Ships
SS Tautog

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged

Resources hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
1 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85
Resource attacks don't work as well during the day.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 16
G4M1 Betty x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
10 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 65th Brigade, at 61,139


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
B-26B Marauder x 10


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kragen at 22,63


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 18
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Koan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Kinryo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,133

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Awajisan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kragen at 22,63


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 14
Martin 139 x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nana Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,133


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
Battle of attrition continues.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 362297 troops, 3105 guns, 320 vehicles

Defending force 253748 troops, 791 guns, 76 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
170 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 53310 troops, 535 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 24522 troops, 96 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila
Manila begs for mercy.


Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44494 troops, 360 guns, 146 vehicles

Defending force 54985 troops, 101 guns, 46 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1610 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 59904 troops, 555 guns, 6 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 75966 troops, 691 guns, 22 vehicles

Defending force 72614 troops, 824 guns, 83 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 29456 troops, 351 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60954 troops, 668 guns, 19 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/03/42


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ASW attack at 106,36

Japanese Ships
PG Zuiko Maru
PC Fumi Maru
PG Shinko Maru #2
DD Kisaragi
DD Fubuki

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 13


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 61,137

Japanese Ships
DD Amagiri
DD Shigure

Allied Ships
SS S-46

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33
Kunming resources nearly destroyed.

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 9

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 122

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
152 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 73

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
25 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
28 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
G3M Nell x 22
G4M1 Betty x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
13 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 65th Brigade, at 61,139


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 9


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kragen at 22,63


Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nana Maru, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,137
Turkey shoot but Hiyo takes a couple of hits.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 31 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVL Ryujo

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,137
Hiyo takes a torp.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CS Mizuho

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kragen at 22,63


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 18
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Koan Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kinryo Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,140
Yorktown takes 7 hits.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
D3A Val x 18
B5N Kate x 13

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 13 destroyed
D3A Val: 10 destroyed, 8 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 7, on fire
CA Indianapolis
CL Phoenix

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Wellington , at 61,139

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,137


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
Beaufort V-IX x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo
CA Myoko

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,137


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 3


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,137


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 5
Beaufort V-IX x 7


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVL Ryujo

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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ASW attack at 35,50

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 10
PC Ch 4
PG Kamitsu Maru
PG Chohakusan Maru
DD Harusame
APD APD-35
APD APD-1

Allied Ships
SS Trout


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 363916 troops, 3132 guns, 322 vehicles

Defending force 261307 troops, 849 guns, 75 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
208 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 53674 troops, 542 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24548 troops, 95 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44817 troops, 363 guns, 146 vehicles

Defending force 54755 troops, 100 guns, 44 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
125 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1570 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60261 troops, 561 guns, 5 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 73225 troops, 681 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72570 troops, 822 guns, 82 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 29500 troops, 352 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60660 troops, 659 guns, 20 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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RE: Dude vs Zeta - Hirohito Style - 10/25/2004 5:58:28 AM   
WiTP_Dude


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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

China had been a stalemated slugfest for the Japanese for almost 5 years by the time this game starts, but dude has managed to capture almost the entire country in just a few months. If this doesn’t set off alarm bells in our community, I don’t know what else will.


China is mostly an OOB and map issue. Plus they should probably increase the garrison requirement. This has been discussed before.

quote:

Pearl Harbor fell after only a few weeks of fighting. Come on! There are multiple well entrenched divisions defending that island along with lots of smaller forces. No way it would only take a couple of weeks to clear, even if the US troops were green recruits, their sheer numbers would have required well over a month or more to clear. Given their preparedness and troop experience levels, that fight should have lasted for months.


No, Pearl Harbor fell after a month. Plus they were pounded for two months with air attacks. The garrison was starved out more than fought out.

quote:

Guadalcanal lasted 6 months! Okinawa lasted over 2 full months after the landings, and the allies had MASSIVE air and naval superiority. In this game the Japanese were getting mauled at PH, so no one can claim they had massive superiority. Iwo Jima lasted 6 weeks. Time and again I can point to historical invasions (on much smaller scales) that lasted twice to three times the length of engagements in this AAR.


How long has New Zealand lasted? Chungking? Burma?

quote:

Personally I would like to see base capture ratios pushed from 2-1 up to 8-1.


That's ridiculus. Even increasing it to 3-1 will cause a lot of problems. 8-1 and the Japanese will never even take the PI or the DEI.

quote:

Finally I think forts should take almost as long to reduce as they do to build!


Think about it: if the engineers can build forts as fast as it takes to reduce them, you'll never get down to 0. As it is, I have to keep coming back over and over to keep Chungking at 0.

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/25/2004 6:02:04 AM   
WiTP_Dude


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ORIGINAL: Zeta16

Well that is hard to do since most got sunk on the first today's of the war. During beta and such everyone keep pointing out that is why there were almost no landings aganist places with fixed guns. I guess my beef is that CD guns are usless aganidst landings because they don't stop them at all. Yes they sink ships, but do not kill many troops. The Americans had a lot of problems aganist places like tawara and did face this much later than this attack. But I bet they would have taken a lot of death's if the Japanese contested more landings. The Allies I lot fire power in the moble art and machine guns. They have air search and are going to know where the landing is coming to move troops to be there when it lands. I think these places with would have been blood for the Japanese, they still may have taken them but I think there would have been a lot more deaths were ever they land by these major allied bases.


The "realism" of CD works both ways. At PH there is no reason to think the coastal guns will actually sink any transports. You can land several miles away from Pearl Harbor on an opposite shore where the guns don't reach. Plus once the invaders have a beachhead, they should be able to clear the area of coastal guns to allow resupply to occur without bother.

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RE: Zeta's dilemma - 10/25/2004 12:40:32 PM   
duckenf

 

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Status: offline 		Would you guys like to provide a summary of ships sunk? Japan has lost a lot of carriers and the US looks like its lost a bundle as well.

I do like WiTP_Dude's theory of operations -- "The US will sink my carriers at will by 1943, so I may as well lose them now getting bases". Use them to stand toe-to-toe with the USA now when because a Japanese carrier won't be worth much later.

I do count myself with those who think the 1942 successes bode *VERY* ill for Japan in late '42 and 1943 though. The VP cost of conquest makes an auto-victory for Japan impossible and once the US takes back Mogami Harbor and a few more high VP bases, the Japanese VP numbers collapse (not to mention the land force losses that will be incurred as 70,000 out of supply Japanese soldiers are captured in New Pearl Harbour).

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RE: Zeta's dilemma - 10/25/2004 1:01:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I disagree.

Japanese Carriers surely won't be able to win in '43 against Allies main CV TF. But none said Japan has to fight enemy crriers.

By the simple fact Japan keeps his carriers, it obliges the allies to commit their cv TF for any major landing and so limitng the numbers of operations allies can do in '43. and you pblige allied player to plan carefully. Japan CV TF + Tons of aircrafts at attacked base can be deadly if allied player makes mistakes.

In one PBEM (mariannas scenario) despite the huge advantage of CV allies have, i managed to sink 2 CV and 4 CVL with no loss so far. It means you can always exploit the mistakes of the opponent.

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RE: Zeta's dilemma - 10/25/2004 2:16:01 PM   
duckenf

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kaiser73

I disagree.

Japanese Carriers surely won't be able to win in '43 against Allies main CV TF. But none said Japan has to fight enemy crriers.

By the simple fact Japan keeps his carriers, it obliges the allies to commit their cv TF for any major landing and so limitng the numbers of operations allies can do in '43. and you pblige allied player to plan carefully. Japan CV TF + Tons of aircrafts at attacked base can be deadly if allied player makes mistakes.


Oh, I agree with your interpretation. I just like the fact that WiTP has made a strategy based on an alternative belief about the utility of IJN carriers post-43. It makes for entertaining reading, but come 1943 and with no Japanese carriers in sight, the allies will isolate and take places in just the same way WiTP has been doing. However, when the Allies do it, they won't run out of carriers and the Japanese will be the ones losing lots of VPs.

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/25/2004 4:27:22 PM   
Nikademus


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Status: offline 		The ability to damage the loaded cargo (including troops) when hit is on the wish list item. This would make CD defended areas even more dangerous to conduct amphib ops at, requiring more close escort (medium/heavy ship within the invasion TF) to counter the guns.

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Chungking Under Threat - 10/25/2004 8:28:03 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/04/42

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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 61,137

Japanese Ships
DD Amagiri

Allied Ships
SS S-46

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Sub attack at 60,136

Japanese Ships
DD Shigure

Allied Ships
SS Saury

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TF 36 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Japanese Ships
AK Hakonesan Maru, and is sunk
DD Kisaragi
PC Fumi Maru
PG Shinko Maru #2

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Chungking running low on supplies.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
Ki-21 Sally x 76
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
327 casualties reported

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 50

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17E Fortress x 9


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 58,135

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,137


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,136


Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
Chinese beginning to take more losses.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 402927 troops, 3170 guns, 746 vehicles

Defending force 261834 troops, 853 guns, 75 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
7745 casualties reported
Guns lost 224
Vehicles lost 8

Allied ground losses:
8506 casualties reported
Guns lost 105
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila
Wanted to kill more with this attack.

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 61658 troops, 362 guns, 279 vehicles

Defending force 54641 troops, 98 guns, 44 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
471 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1205 casualties reported
Guns lost 12
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 53822 troops, 549 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24541 troops, 94 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1610 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60386 troops, 569 guns, 5 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68402 troops, 629 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72476 troops, 817 guns, 81 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34400 troops, 401 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60631 troops, 664 guns, 20 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 3







AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/05/42


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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 23


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 122

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
27 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 52
Ki-21 Sally x 74
Ki-48 Lily x 20
Ki-49 Helen x 27
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
270 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 79

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 2
B-17E Fortress x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 61,139


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 19


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Kuroshio Maru, Torpedo hits 1
CL Tatsuta

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,135
Hiyo turned the wrong way!

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 18
Beaufort V-IX x 7


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
Beaufort V-IX x 5


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Awajisan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Kinugasa

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack at 62,138

Japanese Ships
AP Tatibana Maru
DD Akikaze
DD Hatsukaze

Allied Ships
SS S-45


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 10613 troops, 333 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 247437 troops, 565 guns, 74 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 53997 troops, 557 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24531 troops, 94 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6650 troops, 230 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 52859 troops, 76 guns, 41 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1621 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60601 troops, 577 guns, 5 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68404 troops, 629 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72507 troops, 813 guns, 81 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34430 troops, 400 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60252 troops, 648 guns, 18 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
385 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

(in reply to Nikademus)
Post #: 372
RE: Chungking Under Threat - 10/25/2004 10:34:21 PM   
WiTP_Dude


Posts: 1434
Joined: 7/3/2004
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/06/42

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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39
Japanese will begin their own night campaign soon.

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 17


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
Ouch.


Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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TF 36 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Japanese Ships
PG Zuiko Maru
DD Fubuki

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 122

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 90

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
31 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
19 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Huge raid destroys entire warehouse full of rice.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 77
Ki-48 Lily x 34
Ki-49 Helen x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
336 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 121

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
D3A Val x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 53
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Dos Hermanos, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
410 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12
Port hits 10
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 12000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17E Fortress x 9


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kragen at 22,63


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 14
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Nachisan Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kikuryu Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
137 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Awajisan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Christchurch , at 58,141
The Undiscovered Country: South New Zealand.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
D3A Val x 15
B5N Kate x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
B5N Kate: 4 damaged

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,137


Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 11


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Yoshinogawa Maru
CA Furutaka

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 24
SBD Dauntless x 6
TBD Devastator x 13
Beaufort V-IX x 2


Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma
CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Kinugasa, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
Japanese get another three days rest before attacking again.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 341783 troops, 2663 guns, 312 vehicles

Defending force 247668 troops, 576 guns, 75 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
524 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 54243 troops, 560 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24560 troops, 95 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44322 troops, 357 guns, 145 vehicles

Defending force 51616 troops, 71 guns, 41 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1610 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 60877 troops, 580 guns, 5 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68364 troops, 629 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72510 troops, 814 guns, 82 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34482 troops, 402 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 59694 troops, 636 guns, 17 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
293 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 1







AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/07/42


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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 16


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 95

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 56

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
27 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
19 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 73
Ki-48 Lily x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 83

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17E Fortress x 7


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 61,139


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
B-26B Marauder x 20


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Furutaka

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD Dauntless x 5
TBD Devastator x 7
Beaufort V-IX x 3


Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Tatumiya Maru
CL Abukuma, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Kinugasa

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Dunedin at 55,144
Yorktown found hiding in cove.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
D3A Val x 11
B5N Kate x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
B5N Kate: 24 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
SBD Dauntless x 5
TBD Devastator x 4


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Natori

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Natori

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Dunedin at 55,144
Yorktown finished.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
D3A Val x 5
B5N Kate x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 5 damaged
B5N Kate: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 343463 troops, 2693 guns, 314 vehicles

Defending force 247547 troops, 580 guns, 75 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
287 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 54499 troops, 566 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24512 troops, 94 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44610 troops, 359 guns, 145 vehicles

Defending force 51177 troops, 71 guns, 40 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1621 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61113 troops, 586 guns, 5 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68382 troops, 629 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72429 troops, 815 guns, 82 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34475 troops, 403 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 59355 troops, 622 guns, 17 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
243 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 2

(in reply to WiTP_Dude)
Post #: 373
RE: Chungking Under Threat - 10/25/2004 10:51:04 PM   
jnier


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Status: offline 		It will be interesting to see what happens if New Zealand falls and the japanese are able to bag another 100K+ allied troops. It seems like every free allied LCU is in New Zealand and if the allies lose all of them, then they will have a pretty serious shortage of LCUs, and will probably find it difficult to mount a counterattack in late '42 early '43. They might have all the planes & ships they need, but they may have relatively little infantry. When I play the allies, it's always infantry that is in the shortest supply by 1943.

< Message edited by jnier -- 10/25/2004 8:52:47 PM >

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RE: Chungking Under Threat - 10/25/2004 10:58:44 PM   
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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34482 troops, 402 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 59694 troops, 636 guns, 17 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
293 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 1


I find this quite unusual - I never see artillary do so well, and not only that, the attacker is outnumbered. Usually that means that the attacker will have no effect at all. Did Zeta sneak a Russian artillary unit into there?

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RE: Chungking Under Threat - 10/25/2004 11:03:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jnier

It will be interesting to see what happens if New Zealand falls and the japanese are able to bag another 100K+ allied troops. It seems like every free allied LCU is in New Zealand and if the allies lose all of them, then they will have a pretty serious shortage of LCUs, and will probably find it difficult to mount a counterattack in late '42 early '43. They might have all the planes & ships they need, but they may have relatively little infantry. When I play the allies, it's always infantry that is in the shortest supply by 1943.


They have plenty of LCUs in Australia and the United States. What they lack are boats to ship them in and a navy to protect them.

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/26/2004 12:16:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

The ability to damage the loaded cargo (including troops) when hit is on the wish list item. This would make CD defended areas even more dangerous to conduct amphib ops at, requiring more close escort (medium/heavy ship within the invasion TF) to counter the guns.


I predict that that change will not have as much of an effect as most people think, because the troops probably unload before the CD guns fire in the program. Even more so since troops already get "damaged" when their ship is hit. Perhaps if CD guns had two firing phases, one before the troops unload aimed at the ships and one after aimed at the troops (effectively an automatic Bombardment Attack).

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RE: Zeta's dilema - 10/26/2004 9:11:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		You may be correct in that assumption as i was thinking the same thing myself. Testing will be needed for sure.

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Yorktown Sinks - 10/26/2004 9:14:06 PM   
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TF 36 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Japanese Ships
MSW Yoshino Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #5
MSW Sonobe Maru
MSW Misago Maru #11

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ASW attack at 97,40

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 6
PG Kongosan Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-31

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Naval Gun Fire at Wellington (61,139) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Supply arrives at Wellington

2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Tanikaze

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ASW attack at 97,40

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 6
PG Kongosan Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-31

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Night Air attack on Victoria Point , at 25,39


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 19


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported

Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Darwin , at 36,84

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Coastal Guns at Wellington, 61,139, firing at TF 17
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TF 17 encounters mine field at Wellington (61,139)

TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Wellington, 61,139


444 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 7
DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 1
AP Ronsan Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Yoshinogawa Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
AP Kashi Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
381 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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TF 36 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Japanese Ships
MSW Yoshino Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #5
MSW Sonobe Maru
MSW Misago Maru #11

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Naval Gun Fire at Wellington (61,139) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Hatsukaze


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 11

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17E Fortress x 7


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 61,139


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 2
B-26B Marauder x 15


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
6 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wellington at 61,139


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 3


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Tamatsu Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,136


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 8


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Akikaze
CA Kinugasa

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
1 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wellington at 61,139


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 5
TBD Devastator x 3
Kittyhawk I x 10
Beaufort V-IX x 3


Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator: 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
AP Tatumiya Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kragen at 22,63


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 22
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Nachisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wellington at 61,139


Allied aircraft
TBD Devastator x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Shinyo Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wellington at 61,139


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Tamatsu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wellington at 61,139


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Tamatsu Maru, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wellington at 61,139


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Awajisan Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 10
Beaufort V-IX x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Nissen Maru #3

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
The worm has turned. The worm has turned.

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 387673 troops, 2716 guns, 735 vehicles

Defending force 248208 troops, 593 guns, 75 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
6397 casualties reported
Guns lost 268
Vehicles lost 11

Allied ground losses:
12069 casualties reported
Guns lost 95


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Ground combat at Manila
Neither side has much left but the Allies are in worse shape.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 61396 troops, 362 guns, 278 vehicles

Defending force 51076 troops, 69 guns, 39 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
248 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Allied ground losses:
2404 casualties reported
Guns lost 18


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Ground combat at Chengtu

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11780 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13535 troops, 34 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 54817 troops, 574 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24544 troops, 96 guns, 16 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1610 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61428 troops, 594 guns, 5 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68393 troops, 629 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72391 troops, 815 guns, 82 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34395 troops, 401 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60297 troops, 611 guns, 15 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Guns lost 8






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/09/42


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TF 17 encounters mine field at Wellington (61,139)

TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Wellington, 61,139


Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze

Coastal Guns at Wellington, 61,139, firing at TF 17
186 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
384 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Night Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 17

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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TF 6 troops unloading over beach at Jesselton, 35,56


Japanese ground losses:
217 casualties reported

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TF 6 troops unloading over beach at Jesselton, 35,56


Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported

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TF 17 encounters mine field at Wellington (61,139)

TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Wellington, 61,139


Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze

Coastal Guns at Wellington, 61,139, firing at TF 17
248 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Tanikaze
AP Yuzan Maru
AP Yoshinogawa Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
184 casualties reported

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TF 53 encounters mine field at Noumea (68,113)

Japanese Ships
PG Choko Maru #2

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Day Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 7

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 1 damaged

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 69
Ki-48 Lily x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
197 casualties reported

Airbase hits 26
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 90

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85
240 fires start after attack. Burn baby, burn!

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged

Manpower hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17E Fortress x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,131
Stupid AI, boats keep going towards Auckland instead of around!

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 28
Kittyhawk I x 16
Hudson I x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 9


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,137


Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Awajisan Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Dunedin , at 55,144
Yorktown finally sinks beneath the waves.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
D3A Val x 15
B5N Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
B5N Kate: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 14 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,138


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Nissen Maru #3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking
These 240mm guns from Manchuria are nice!

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25690 troops, 494 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 239830 troops, 344 guns, 74 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
418 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chengtu

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11771 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13509 troops, 34 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 55093 troops, 578 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24513 troops, 94 guns, 15 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6690 troops, 230 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 48362 troops, 48 guns, 37 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
121 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1580 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61704 troops, 598 guns, 5 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 68424 troops, 629 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72404 troops, 814 guns, 82 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34425 troops, 401 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 61620 troops, 597 guns, 15 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

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RE: Yorktown Sinks - 10/27/2004 12:24:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, I really don't have many outside troops in NZ. Why, because I can get them there. I like how my dutch airfarce is doing. They are seeming to hold there own now aganist the Zero's. Maybe that is because of the low skill level of his pilots. I know he has some goods ones some where so do I, we both have lost some pilots. He has lost more, but I still can't take advantage of this because of lack of shipping to take to the offense. The day will come, but how much will I have to over come.

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RE: Yorktown Sinks - 10/27/2004 3:59:29 AM   
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RE: Yorktown Sinks - 10/27/2004 4:02:10 AM   
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RE: Yorktown Sinks - 10/27/2004 4:04:24 AM   
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RE: Yorktown Sinks - 10/27/2004 5:07:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Japanese have lost 537 ships!!!!! War over by mid 1944 with a crushing defeat.

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RE: Yorktown Sinks - 10/27/2004 5:25:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

The Japanese have lost 537 ships!!!!! War over by mid 1944 with a crushing defeat.


Yes, I think it should end around then. The key is to take New Zealand earlier before any reinforcements can be sent. If you can do that, you'll shut down the Allies for a good long while. They will be unable to send any reinforcements or supply anywhere because you'll sink them with land-based aircraft from Alaska to New Zealand.

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Another Turn - 10/27/2004 7:27:05 AM   
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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Manpower hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Army, at 30,34

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 11
B-17E Fortress x 79
LB-30 Liberator x 30

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
299 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
16 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 61

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32
Chungrad reduced to pile of rubble.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 74
Ki-48 Lily x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
187 casualties reported

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 46

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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 4 damaged

Manpower hits 2

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Day Air attack on Kodiak , at 108,34

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17E Fortress x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 2


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Ground combat at 30,34
Failure to break Burma stalemate again.


Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 90373 troops, 853 guns, 449 vehicles

Defending force 91997 troops, 942 guns, 1469 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
3364 casualties reported
Guns lost 148
Vehicles lost 27

Allied ground losses:
459 casualties reported
Guns lost 47
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking
Nominal success.


Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 342457 troops, 2636 guns, 589 vehicles

Defending force 241521 troops, 384 guns, 72 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
507 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1472 casualties reported
Guns lost 41


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Ground combat at Manila
Allies want to surrender.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 62212 troops, 374 guns, 279 vehicles

Defending force 46929 troops, 38 guns, 32 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0


Japanese ground losses:
379 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1013 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 5


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Ground combat at Chengtu

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11654 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13508 troops, 35 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Progress finally made in Java.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 62546 troops, 617 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 24440 troops, 94 guns, 16 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 9)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 8


Japanese ground losses:
472 casualties reported
Guns lost 24
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 11


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Ground combat at 62,138

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10153 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3843 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 35 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
224 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 88976 troops, 884 guns, 1361 vehicles

Defending force 83401 troops, 617 guns, 416 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1530 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 65969 troops, 581 guns, 4 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 63452 troops, 577 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 71959 troops, 803 guns, 79 vehicles



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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34497 troops, 405 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60528 troops, 520 guns, 9 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/42


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Night Air attack on Kunming , at 39,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Army, at 30,34

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 9
B-17E Fortress x 50
LB-30 Liberator x 21

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
266 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
7 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweilin , at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 84

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 47

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Ki-21 Sally x 69
Ki-48 Lily x 28
Ki-49 Helen x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
371 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 105

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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on 65th Brigade, at 61,139

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
B-26B Marauder x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 101st USAAF Base Force, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
D3A Val x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 19
Ki-48 Lily x 13
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 61633 troops, 360 guns, 279 vehicles

Defending force 43497 troops, 25 guns, 25 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
417 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
1437 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 317794 troops, 2622 guns, 307 vehicles

Defending force 237193 troops, 320 guns, 73 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
371 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chengtu

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11697 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13402 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at Soerabaja
Garrison cutoff from supply.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 61896 troops, 587 guns, 4 vehicles

Defending force 24255 troops, 85 guns, 16 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 7

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7)


Japanese ground losses:
506 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at 62,138

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10040 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3562 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 89101 troops, 896 guns, 1357 vehicles

Defending force 90750 troops, 622 guns, 415 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1470 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 65587 troops, 558 guns, 3 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 63557 troops, 577 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 72031 troops, 801 guns, 79 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Wellington

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34437 troops, 405 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 60161 troops, 518 guns, 9 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
459 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
Vehicles lost 1

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RE: Another Turn - 10/27/2004 12:01:56 PM   
IKerensky

 

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Great AAR so far WITP and I really appreciate the red comment you put now in the combat report, make the reading far more enjoyable and easy.

Just one question: you make a second landing in NZ second port but you never actually fight there... even wen you have numerical advantage ... why ? Same at Soerabaya and other place: are you waiting for disruption to be gone each time ?

Also I noticed you quite never put even a CL in invasion transport TF, perhaps you could, they tend to suck up nicely the CD hits...

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RE: Another Turn - 10/27/2004 6:53:23 PM   
sven6345789

 

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Status: offline 		And what did the Yorktown do down there? Did you forget that carrier??

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RE: Another Turn - 10/27/2004 7:30:32 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KERENSKY

Hi ,

Great AAR so far WITP and I really appreciate the red comment you put now in the combat report, make the reading far more enjoyable and easy.

Just one question: you make a second landing in NZ second port but you never actually fight there... even wen you have numerical advantage ... why ? Same at Soerabaya and other place: are you waiting for disruption to be gone each time ?

Also I noticed you quite never put even a CL in invasion transport TF, perhaps you could, they tend to suck up nicely the CD hits...


I need more reinforcements first. Many invasion TF have escorts. Doesn't show that in the reports.

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RE: Another Turn - 10/27/2004 7:32:20 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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ORIGINAL: sven6345789

And what did the Yorktown do down there? Did you forget that carrier??


Without control of New Zealand the Allies are able to sneak ships in. This is why you must control NZ early on. If you are going to try Hirohito style, I suggest sending a division immediately to take either Wellington or Auckland.

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