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RE: Christmas Island - 12/4/2004 7:58:57 PM   
Zeta16


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RE: Christmas Island - 12/4/2004 8:00:45 PM   
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RE: Christmas Island - 12/4/2004 8:14:36 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/08/43

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 89
B-17E Fortress x 88


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Resources hits 50

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Ground combat at Kuala Lumpur
Singapore should be under siege in a couple of more weeks.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 65520 troops, 612 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 71 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuala Lumpur base !!!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/09/43


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ASW attack at 113,89

Japanese Ships
SS I-15, hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AK Pacific
AK Utahan
SC SC-643
SC SC-641
SC SC-640
SC SC-638
SC SC-637
SC SC-636
SC SC-520
SC SC-519
SC SC-518

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 80
B-17E Fortress x 88


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Resources hits 30

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RE: Christmas Island - 12/4/2004 11:11:47 PM   
dtravel


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeta16

here is the score in March of 43.





It may be too soon to say this, but it appears unlikely that the Japanese are going to get 4:1 in victory points in '43. Even with lower IJN ship losses it would seem unlikely. As a "real world" strategy so far the Japanese seem to be doing very well, but as a "game" strategy it hasn't worked out as well. All IMHO and, as I said, preliminary results. Still very interested in how the rest of the game proceeds.

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RE: Christmas Island - 12/5/2004 6:22:41 AM   
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Ground combat at Malacca
The next battle begins.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 208422 troops, 1724 guns, 299 vehicles

Defending force 48064 troops, 195 guns, 4 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 8)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 7


Japanese ground losses:
1580 casualties reported
Guns lost 84
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
882 casualties reported
Guns lost 26


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Ground combat at Malacca

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25898 troops, 132 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 214058 troops, 1613 guns, 293 vehicles



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Ground combat at Christmas Island

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 50053 troops, 427 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 10529 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 59 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
431 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/13/43

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ASW attack at 111,67
Revenge for the sunk mine layer.

Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #7
PG Kaiun Maru
PG Saga
PG Hashidate
DD Asakaze
DD Usugumo
DD Natsugumo
DD Asashio

Allied Ships
SS Sunfish, hits 2

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Ground combat at Malacca

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 207532 troops, 1703 guns, 294 vehicles

Defending force 46540 troops, 161 guns, 4 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 7)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 6


Japanese ground losses:
2007 casualties reported
Guns lost 60
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1334 casualties reported
Guns lost 38
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Malacca

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 23502 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 214631 troops, 1610 guns, 293 vehicles

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RE: Christmas Island - 12/5/2004 4:53:07 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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Sub attack at 113,86
The 25 is still limping along.

Japanese Ships
SS I-25, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Denver, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Strong
DD Radford
DD Nicholas
DD LaVallette
DD Jenkins






AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/15/43


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Ground combat at Malacca
Allies have abandoned another Malay outpost.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 198610 troops, 1635 guns, 9 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

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RE: Christmas Island - 12/5/2004 7:38:26 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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ASW attack at 113,87
Can't escape this time.

Japanese Ships
SS I-25, hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Strong

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Night Air attack on Christmas Island , at 112,89
Large night raid out of Hawaii.

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 51

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied Ships
AE Waipo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS Wasmuth, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Williamson, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Runway hits 2
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Christmas Island , at 112,89
Mistake, the Nells should have been set to night attack as well.

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 23

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 38
F4U-1 Corsair x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 36 destroyed, 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Palmyra at 106,85
A handful of Mitchells now flying at Christmas Island.

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PG Kantori Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
TK Toho Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Malacca
The advance continues.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 143739 troops, 1175 guns, 10 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1760 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Malacca base !!!







AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/17/43


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Night Air attack on Christmas Island , at 112,89
Helens try attack out of Palmya.

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
AE Waipo, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet

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Night Air attack on Christmas Island , at 112,89

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 25

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Palmyra at 106,85


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Kongosan Maru
TK Gen'yo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet

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RE: Christmas Island - 12/6/2004 12:45:14 AM   
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,60
Landings taking place in southern Sumtara.

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Eli Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Swordfish bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 184253 troops, 1505 guns, 152 vehicles

Defending force 52594 troops, 219 guns, 14 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5


Japanese ground losses:
3055 casualties reported
Guns lost 74
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1265 casualties reported
Guns lost 33


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Ground combat at Johore Bahru

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 25400 troops, 136 guns, 7 vehicles

Defending force 201234 troops, 1478 guns, 651 vehicles


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/23/43


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ASW attack near Christmas Island at 112,89
He tried his best.

Japanese Ships
SS RO-67, hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Porter
DD Conyngham
DD Drayton
DD Mahan
DD Wilson
DD Sterett
DD Walke
DD Nicholson
DD Waller

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Day Air attack on TF, near Batavia at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 2 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AK Kotoku Maru
AK Koki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kinugawa Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru
Looks like the fortification level just increased by one.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 181568 troops, 1427 guns, 153 vehicles

Defending force 50628 troops, 177 guns, 14 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5


Japanese ground losses:
1691 casualties reported
Guns lost 52
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
903 casualties reported
Guns lost 10


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Ground combat at Johore Bahru

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24837 troops, 124 guns, 7 vehicles

Defending force 221389 troops, 1624 guns, 651 vehicles

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Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 4:17:28 AM   
WiTP_Dude


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Status: offline 		A division accidentially crossed the border near Vladivostok, triggering the entry of the Soviets. This wasn't supposed to happen for a few more months. I guess some how I clicked go to Vladivostok instead of train for Vladivostok.

Oh well, I've been building up Manchuria since the fall of Chungking and it now has 16,000 assualt points with more on the way. I've got to do a lot of additional stuff so the turn won't be done until tomorrow some time.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 4:23:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

A division accidentially crossed the border near Vladivostok, triggering the entry of the Soviets. This wasn't supposed to happen for a few more months. I guess some how I clicked go to Vladivostok instead of train for Vladivostok.

Oh well, I've been building up Manchuria since the fall of Chungking and it now has 16,000 assualt points with more on the way. I've got to do a lot of additional stuff so the turn won't be done until tomorrow some time.


This just keeps getting wilder and wilder! I can hardly wait to see how this new front plays out!

Great AAR!

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 5:07:37 AM   
Zeta16


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Status: offline 		Well that is just great. I hate land combat, looks like he is going for a auto victory. Time to bomb Japan to the stone age. I have no chance to stop him Russia. The Soviets get no reinforcements for a long time. What can I do. I really do not want the game to end before 44. I want to play the whole thing out even if all of Asia is gone. I guess this means India will be safe until he is done crushing Russia. The question will be will he be able to stop me in the Pacific. He has maybe one or to light CV left. The question is can I get some bombers to Russi quick enough. The railmovement will mean he will crush me real quick. I do not care about losing russia in war terms, the thing that sucks is that he will get a lot of points from this. I hope after 43 he will want to go on and see what happens if he gets enough points (if this can be over ridden by someone). I will never give up and know at the moment I own the air and seas, but he owns the land. This game has also taught me that owning the land is the most important thing in this game. Massed bomber attacks on ground troops does nothing in this game. It does not even slow down his troops at all.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:01:14 AM   
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Ground combat at Johore Bahru

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 207375 troops, 1728 guns, 365 vehicles

Defending force 27133 troops, 89 guns, 9 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Guns lost 7



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/25/43

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru
The road to Singapore is now open.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 207807 troops, 1733 guns, 366 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:09:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zeta16

Well that is just great. I hate land combat, looks like he is going for a auto victory. Time to bomb Japan to the stone age. I have no chance to stop him Russia. The Soviets get no reinforcements for a long time. What can I do. I really do not want the game to end before 44. I want to play the whole thing out even if all of Asia is gone. I guess this means India will be safe until he is done crushing Russia. The question will be will he be able to stop me in the Pacific. He has maybe one or to light CV left. The question is can I get some bombers to Russi quick enough. The railmovement will mean he will crush me real quick. I do not care about losing russia in war terms, the thing that sucks is that he will get a lot of points from this. I hope after 43 he will want to go on and see what happens if he gets enough points (if this can be over ridden by someone). I will never give up and know at the moment I own the air and seas, but he owns the land. This game has also taught me that owning the land is the most important thing in this game. Massed bomber attacks on ground troops does nothing in this game. It does not even slow down his troops at all.


I don't think an "auto victory" is possible for Japan in 1943. Maybe in 1944 with the 3-1 advantage. If most of the islands hold out and Siberia and India are captured, who knows. Basically, I don't think this is possible because of the high number of air and ship losses I've suffered. The key question is if I can hold off 2-1 "auto victory" for the Allies in 1945. If Japan is holding all of Asia then you'll have to invade Japan to get a win.

Also the bombers do kill ground troops. However the numbers aren't that much. Even if you kill 200 men per day that's only 73,000 per year. Big deal. There are probably 250,000 boys turning 18 each year that I can recruit from. This is war.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:11:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Zeta, looking forward to seeing your mid-Pacific offensive take shape. Christmas Island was a good first start.

Considering the depleted condition of the Japanese battle fleet, is it time to launch a series of deep penetration carrier sweeps to disrupt his shipping and perhaps begin the neutralization of his island based air forces? It seems like you should be able to go about anywhere you want to now (at least on the oceans).

Perhaps now is the time to revisit some of the prior discussions about defending Russia? As I recall, there are plenty of reasons why it won't be a Japanese cakewalk so don't despair too quickly!

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:16:11 AM   
Zeta16


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Status: offline 		Is it 4 to 1 in 43 or 3 to 1. I just wish I could kill more of your troops with air attack. You will run over Russia pretty quick, did you cross on the last turn, I did not even look at the Intelligence screen. I figure that I was going to have to go to Japan for awhile now. Your only problem is India is going to be harder to take if you go to Russia first. I have rebulit most of the Army I took out of Burma. I still do not think it will hold all of the Kwangtung and Chinese armies though.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:17:53 AM   
Zeta16


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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn


Perhaps now is the time to revisit some of the prior discussions about defending Russia? As I recall, there are plenty of reasons why it won't be a Japanese cakewalk so don't despair too quickly!



With all of those assult points, I do not think it will be to hard for him. He will isolate and destory.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:58:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Considering the depleted condition of the Japanese battle fleet, is it time to launch a series of deep penetration carrier sweeps to disrupt his shipping and perhaps begin the neutralization of his island based air forces? It seems like you should be able to go about anywhere you want to now (at least on the oceans).


Don't give him any ideas!

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 7:11:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zeta16

Is it 4 to 1 in 43 or 3 to 1. I just wish I could kill more of your troops with air attack. You will run over Russia pretty quick, did you cross on the last turn, I did not even look at the Intelligence screen. I figure that I was going to have to go to Japan for awhile now. Your only problem is India is going to be harder to take if you go to Russia first. I have rebulit most of the Army I took out of Burma. I still do not think it will hold all of the Kwangtung and Chinese armies though.


According to the manual (for what little that is worth), it is 4 to 1 in '43.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 4:21:19 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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Night Air attack on Hailar , at 64,22
First Soviet air attack of war.

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Pe-2 x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-27 Nate: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Pe-2: 2 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Palmyra , at 106,85


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 44
B-24D Liberator x 24


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 6

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Day Air attack on TF, near Paramushiro Jima at 82,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nissan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet

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Day Air attack on TF at 22,59
Another task force arrives near Sumatra.

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Shoun Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Amagi Maru

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru
Units now crossing over into Singapore.

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 128714 troops, 1122 guns, 368 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 646 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Johore Bahru base !!!



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Ground combat at 63,33
Skirmish west of Vladivostok.

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22194 troops, 253 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 19082 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 63,33

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19071 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 22194 troops, 253 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 5



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/27/43


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Night Air attack on Hailar , at 64,22


Allied aircraft
Pe-2 x 14


Allied aircraft losses
Pe-2: 2 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chiamussu , at 67,27

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 36
Pe-2 x 142

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 23

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Day Air attack on Mutanchiang , at 65,30

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 12

Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 38
Pe-2 x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Pe-2: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Pe-2 bombing at 15000 feet
11 x Pe-2 bombing at 15000 feet

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Day Air attack on Palmyra , at 106,85


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 33
B-24D Liberator x 15


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 4

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Sub attack at 20,59

Japanese Ships
AP Taijima Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Haddock

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22013 troops, 241 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 19065 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 63,33

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19054 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24244 troops, 265 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 5:39:25 PM   
ancient doctor

 

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Status: offline 		Ok i have some questions after reading the game so far:

1)-Wasnt Hirohito's plan supposed to start as early as possible with SOV while on the same time make small operations in the ocean?
2)-How it is possible bombardment attacks to result in such a low casualty numbers?Several times when this type is initiated i see more that 200 art. pieces kill such a pathetic low number of troops(224 guns=>34 casualties).Isnt that wrong?
3)-In general i dont see in the AARs written any mention at all to industry production.Do you plan to tell us how your economy goes in order to give more in depth info since it is important(i think)to know how industry goes depending on the war overall picture?

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 6:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japanese artillery isn't very good but the Allies have better weapons. Not sure of the exact dynamics of the combat model though. I would guess that bombardments of infantry don't do much damage vs. artillery used against attacking infantry.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 7:55:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Using art. pieces to bombard the enemy means throwing a large number of rounds-bombs and obviously killing some personel.Now lets take for example the last such attack given by WITP_DUDE.Now he uses 224 guns with result of 10 YES 10 dead japs.
Now even if its piece fires only 1 bomb(art. bombardment means every art. piece fires dozens of bombs)it takes 22.4 art. rounds to kill 1 man.Now am i the only one thinking it as unrealistic?And this is if every gun fires only 1 which simply has no logic since no one has ever initiated bombardment attack by firing 1 round per gun especially since art. barrage is used only by supplied units.
Now if in WiTP bombardment attack means each guns firing 10 round then the stats goes to 224 round to kill a "ubersoldat" Japanese(nationality really doesnt matter it is similar with Jap. bombardment attack).
Keep in mind that WW2 bombardment attack means more than 10 round per gun which means that round per dead ratio gets even more ridicoulous.
BTW art. is and was the number 1 reason for combat casualties since last 100 years and certainly in WW2.
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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 8:01:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since the infantry isn't attacking there are likely in a stronger defensive position. There were some much bigger bombardments though, check back around page 18 or so:

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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 109832 troops, 1113 guns, 1458 vehicles

Defending force 192196 troops, 1763 guns, 763 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
1784 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


You have to ask Zeta about what kind of artillery guns he is using in the different situations. If you want to know about how the numbers are determined, you have to ask one of the programmers.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 8:45:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

Since the infantry isn't attacking there are likely in a stronger defensive position. There were some much bigger bombardments though, check back around page 18 or so:

quote:

Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 109832 troops, 1113 guns, 1458 vehicles

Defending force 192196 troops, 1763 guns, 763 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
1784 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


You have to ask Zeta about what kind of artillery guns he is using in the different situations. If you want to know about how the numbers are determined, you have to ask one of the programmers.


I've noticed and I guess it is programmed in - the more a unit is attacked, the less likely it is to take casualties, even from the same amount (or increasing amount) of force. The first time it is hit, there are pretty bad casualties. The next time, hitting with the same force (be it sea bombardment, artillery, air bombardment) - the unit takes fewer casualties. I think this is the computer's way of simulating battle hardening. The troops know the sound of incoming, and know to go ground.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 9:33:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

I've noticed and I guess it is programmed in - the more a unit is attacked, the less likely it is to take casualties, even from the same amount (or increasing amount) of force. The first time it is hit, there are pretty bad casualties. The next time, hitting with the same force (be it sea bombardment, artillery, air bombardment) - the unit takes fewer casualties. I think this is the computer's way of simulating battle hardening. The troops know the sound of incoming, and know to go ground.


There is the experience level. Also disruption is another thing to look at.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 9:36:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fortifications may have something to do with it as well.. for the defender that is..

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 10:09:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ancient seaman

Ok i have some questions after reading the game so far:

1)-Wasnt Hirohito's plan supposed to start as early as possible with SOV while on the same time make small operations in the ocean?
2)-How it is possible bombardment attacks to result in such a low casualty numbers?Several times when this type is initiated i see more that 200 art. pieces kill such a pathetic low number of troops(224 guns=>34 casualties).Isnt that wrong?
3)-In general i dont see in the AARs written any mention at all to industry production.Do you plan to tell us how your economy goes in order to give more in depth info since it is important(i think)to know how industry goes depending on the war overall picture?


Hirohito has proposed several plans for the Japanese in WiTP. This game is based on the first one his publically proposed, a massive assault east to wipe out the US Navy and capture a line of islands for defense as far east as possible (Anchorage south thru Hawaii to New Zealand IIRC) before moving on the SRA.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 10:32:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		1st of all thanks a lot WITP_Dude for the info so far.

Now back to our point.In 1 of the bombardment example the ratio guns/dead was 224/10 or 22.4 guns (firing a art. bombardment)for every dead.
In the Dude's offered one there was a ratio of 1113/1784 plus a vehicle.This is more or less a 1/1.5 guns/dead ratio.
Now i am asking again without wanting to offend somebody,am i the only one who thinks that this is a very very low ratio of dead men and vehicles destroyed(ony 1 for 1113 guns!!!!!)per weapons used?
Art. bombardment means constant shell fire over enemy positions which before the bombardment have been pinpointed by the enemy as good as possible since such an act is preparatory for an direct attack and has as a purpose to soften enemy defence before main force marches in.
Now remember each gun fires shells.Lots of if i want to be accurate.I dont know how exactly the dev. team has figured it out but in case that the bombardment is 10 rounds per gun(which is a very small number to be realisitc)it means that the ratio shels/dead are:224/dead for the 1st example and 15/dead(approx) for the 2nd.Now do you really beliave that these numbers are realistic for WW2 Pacific front?
Remember we arent talking about naval preparatory fire against fortified enemy infantry before landing.We talk for 2 armies in fixed positions viewing each other from the opposite direction and in close distance to help for an accurate aiming.
So has anybody at all mentioned this as weired?Because after all i am not a WW2 art. specialist but from what i know and have read this seems pretty much worthless.1113 guns firing a bombardment to kill only 1784 and 1 vehicle simply isnt logical enought.

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RE: Soviets Join the War - 12/6/2004 10:47:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		You have to realize 1700 represents almost 1% of the total forces present on the battlefield. That's a high price for just one day of "bombardments" without supporting infantry attacks. In reality most of the guns won't be able to engage in bombardments either. Each hex represents 3600 square miles so most of the guns aren't going to be in a position where they can easily hit infantry.

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Operation "Save Japan" Begins - 12/6/2004 11:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/28/43

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Night Air attack on Hailar , at 64,22

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Pe-2 x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Vladivostok , at 65,33
The bulk of Japan's bombers are committed to destroying the Siberian airbases before they can start attacking the islands.

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 38

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
IL-2m3 Shturmovik: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
Yak-1: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
Li-2: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
LaGG-3: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Pe-2: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
I-16 Type 24: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 49

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16 Type 24: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
33 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 28
Ki-48 Lily x 34
Ki-49 Helen x 11

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
I-16 Type 24: 10 destroyed, 13 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 51

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Pe-2: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
21 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 23

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Chiamussu , at 67,27

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 3
Pe-2 x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged


Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Palmyra , at 106,85


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 21
PB4Y Liberator x 27
B-24D Liberator x 12


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet

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Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 82062 troops, 703 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 133925 troops, 939 guns, 46 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Singapore

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 78228 troops, 738 guns, 23 vehicles

Defending force 82062 troops, 703 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
1032 casualties reported
Guns lost 43

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1




AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/29/43


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Night Air attack on Vladivostok , at 65,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 30

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Pe-2: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
IL-2m3 Shturmovik: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
LaGG-3: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
MiG-3: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
I-16 Type 24: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Yak-1: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 35

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16 Type 24: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-48 Lily x 31
Ki-49 Helen x 11

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
I-16 Type 24: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 35

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
I-16 Type 24: 14 destroyed, 16 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Uglahamensk , at 66,33

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 19

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16 Type 24: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Chiamussu , at 67,27

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 3
Pe-2 x 121

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged


Japanese ground losses:
106 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 75

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
18 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
22 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Pe-2 bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mutanchiang , at 65,30

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 14
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 31
Pe-2 x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 7 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
MiG-3: 1 damaged
Pe-2: 5 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Pe-2 bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Pe-2 bombing at 15000 feet

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Day Air attack on Palmyra , at 106,85


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 22
PB4Y Liberator x 26
B-24D Liberator x 11


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Port hits 6
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 11000 feet

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Ground combat at Singapore

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 80414 troops, 634 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 134276 troops, 947 guns, 46 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Singapore

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 78505 troops, 741 guns, 23 vehicles

Defending force 187405 troops, 1464 guns, 14 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
314 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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