WiTP_Dude
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ORIGINAL: moses It certainly helps that with the two day turns and day one/two port attacks on Manila, Singapore, and PH the bulk of the allied navy was sunk/damaged on day one. A good chunk of the dutch navy engaged and was badly hurt on the second turn. Essentially from then on the Jp invasion was operating with massive naval superiority. Under the rules proposed by Mogami I think things would be dramatically different against even a marginally competant allied player. I don't know where this idea that the two-day turns have so dramatically helped the Japanese comes from. This reminds me of the talking political spinmasters you see on the talk shows. Where are the objective people rather than the partisans? Can we have some objective analysis for once? Singapore Day One Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 G3M Nell x 98 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 8 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 19 destroyed, 35 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 14 destroyed, 4 damaged Vildebeest IV: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Swordfish: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied Ships DD Isis, Bomb hits 1, on fire MSW Toowoomba, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage almost sunk DD Vampire, Bomb hits 1, on fire BC Repulse, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage almost sunk DD Stronghold, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CL Mauritius, Bomb hits 1 DD Vendetta, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 Day Two Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 21 G3M Nell x 27 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 28 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 24 destroyed, 2 damaged Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged Allied Ships BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage at best a little more minor damage DD Isis, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 5 Port hits 1 Pearl Harbor Day One Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Five Battleships sunk on DAY ONE, the other three have major damage! Japanese aircraft A5M4 Claude x 9 A6M2 Zero x 116 D3A Val x 133 B5N Kate x 161 F1M2 Pete x 8 E13A1 Jake x 4 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 P-26A x 5 P-36A Mohawk x 3 P-40B Tomahawk x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A5M4 Claude: 11 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged D3A Val: 12 destroyed, 38 damaged B5N Kate: 34 destroyed, 59 damaged F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged E13A1 Jake: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Note all the destroyed fighters F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 5 damaged P-26A: 14 destroyed P-36A Mohawk: 17 destroyed, 13 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 79 destroyed, 27 damaged PBY Catalina: 29 destroyed, 34 damaged SBD Dauntless: 19 destroyed, 7 damaged B-18A Bolo: 14 destroyed, 15 damaged A-20B Boston: 9 destroyed, 6 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied Ships BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 9, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One BB Nevada, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Major Damage BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire Major Damage CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire BB California, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CA San Francisco, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DMS Perry, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Alchiba, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Maryland, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 9, on fire, heavy damage Sunk Day One DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Aylwin, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire Major Damage AK Hirondelle, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Dale, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Blue, Bomb hits 1, on fire AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1, on fire CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1 Allied ground losses: 50 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Note the damage to the airfield Airbase hits 20 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 48 Day Two Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Zero, I repeat, zero Battleships are sunk by second attack. Japanese aircraft A5M4 Claude x 6 A6M2 Zero x 116 D3A Val x 111 B5N Kate x 115 F1M2 Pete x 3 E13A1 Jake x 4 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 1 P-26A x 3 P-36A Mohawk x 1 P-40B Tomahawk x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Japs lose more planes and pilots than Americans. Good deal? A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged D3A Val: 13 destroyed, 42 damaged B5N Kate: 19 destroyed, 30 damaged F1M2 Pete: 3 damaged E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed P-26A: 8 destroyed P-36A Mohawk: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships BB Nevada, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Sustains additional damage, but does not sink BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, on fire No torp hits, likely little additional damage. BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage No torp hits, likely little additional damage. CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage PG Sacramento, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1 CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Case, Bomb hits 1 DD Hull, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Florence D., Bomb hits 1, on fire PC Tiger, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, on fire CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1 Allied ground losses: 112 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 24 Port hits 9 Port supply hits 2 Manilla Day One Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 CS/AV attack, causes minor damage to several subs. Japanese aircraft F1M2 Pete x 30 E13A1 Jake x 16 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 9 Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged E13A1 Jake: 17 destroyed Allied Ships SS Perch, Bomb hits 1 SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1 SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1 AS Holland, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1 SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1 AV Langley, Bomb hits 2, on fire SS Shark, Bomb hits 1 AP President Madison, Bomb hits 1 AK Princess of Negros, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS Pike, Bomb hits 1 SS S-41, Bomb hits 1 Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Main attack, several subs sunk. Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 75 G3M Nell x 79 G4M1 Betty x 50 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 9 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged G3M Nell: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 25 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied Ships AK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Pike, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Perch, Bomb hits 1 SS Sealion, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1 SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1, on fire PT PT-35, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Seal, Bomb hits 1 AS Holland, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Peary, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Seadragon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire SS Spearfish, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS S-38, Bomb hits 1 Allied ground losses: 6 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 11 Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Another wave of Betties sinks a few more subs. Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 25 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 12 damaged Allied Ships SS S-41, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SS S-38, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AK Ethel Edwards, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AVD Childs, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Seawolf, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Searaven, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Sargo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire SS Swordfish, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS Permit, Torpedo hits 1 SS Saury, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AK Paz, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AS Canopus, Torpedo hits 1, on fire Day Two SS-38 already hit by torp previous day, no new damage. Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft F1M2 Pete x 12 E13A1 Jake x 2 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 15 Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed Allied Ships SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS S-40, Bomb hits 1 Port hits 1 Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 No subs sunk at the cost of about 12 planes and pilots. Japanese aircraft F1M2 Pete x 28 E13A1 Jake x 26 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 15 Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 21 destroyed, 2 damaged E13A1 Jake: 11 destroyed, 9 damaged Allied Ships SS Saury, Bomb hits 1, on fire AV Langley, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AS Otus, Bomb hits 1 AO Pecos, Bomb hits 1 SS Stingray, Bomb hits 1 SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 1, on fire Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Only one sub reports heavy damage. Which one? The famous SS-38! Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 73 G3M Nell x 40 G4M1 Betty x 48 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed G3M Nell: 5 damaged G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 34 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships AP President Madison, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage AK Anakan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, on fire SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, on fire Allied ground losses: 175 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Vehicles lost 1 Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 22 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 1
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