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RE: Norden Bombsight - 10/14/2004 12:18:45 AM   
anarchyintheuk

 

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ORIGINAL: dereck

I was merely stating a fact that neither the German blitz of London nor the British/American bombings broke civilian morale. I was also stating a point of view that more effective use of air assets would have been to go after the oil rather than the civilian population.

As a matter of fact, when the European war began both the Germans AND British had prohibitions in place AGAINST bombing of civilians. The first German bombing of London was not only against standing orders but was also the result of some lost bombers. The very next night the British retaliated by bombing Berlin and after that all gloves were off.



Like the Luftwaffe in the BOB, one of the problems with the allied air campaign was switching targets just when they were having some success.

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Also if you want to place "blame" for World War Two you could go as far back as the Versailles Treaty and maybe even further back. There is no argument that Hitler's aggression started the Second World War in Europe but you must also fault the British, French and Americans for all the missed opportunities they had to stop the war before it started. The British could unilaterally have stopped Mussolini's expansion in Africa by closing the Suez Canal to him; France could have stopped Hitler by overturning his reoccupation of the Rhineland and America could have forced the Japanese war machine to grind to a halt with a handful of selected sanctions in the late thirties. So, in a way, Germany, Italy, Britain, France, Japan and America are all to blame for World War II ... some nations for being the aggressors and others for not having the national backbone to stop the aggressors when it could have been done easily.

This isn't as black and white as some would like this to be. As with everything in life there's no black and white but merely shades of grey.


I don't think i can disagree more strongly. All those what ifs are just that, what ifs, no matter how plausable they may seem. I don't blame a country that gets attacked w/o provocation in the same way i don't blame a guy who gets mugged for not carrying a gun and shooting the mugger. I blame the mugger.

All of which has very little to do with the Norden bomb-sight.

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RE: Norden Bombsight - 11/1/2004 1:32:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: pauk

i think it's about 50 or so Mosquitos lost in the night bombing, but i will check ASAP


Checked?


BTW, according to my books the best German WWII night fighter was:

Heinkel He-219 "Uhu" (Nightowl)

First prototype flown in Nov 1942 but, unfortunately for Germans, the project was canceled in May 1944 so only some preproduction aircraft were build (100-300) which equipped certain night squadrons (operationaly used from April 1943).

1/NJG11 at Venlo in the Netherlands shot down 20 RAF aircraft (including 6 Mosquitos) in first 6 sorties by that unit.

On 11 June 1943 major Werner Streib shot down 5 Lancasters bombers in single sortie...


Leo "Apollo11"


I didn't forget, got the book back, but unfortunatly cant find overall data, just some fragments... i need to read a book again, i suppose...

"No. 109 Squadron was able to to get rid of its Wellingtons and adopt the Mosquito (dec.'42). The Squadron continued to fly Oboe Mosquitos untill the end of the war and lose to enemy flak and night-fighters only eighteen machines..:"

Title of the book is "The Other Battle" by Peter Hinchliffe

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RE: Norden Bombsight - 11/1/2004 6:23:45 PM   
Apollo11


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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: pauk

quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk

i think it's about 50 or so Mosquitos lost in the night bombing, but i will check ASAP


Checked?


BTW, according to my books the best German WWII night fighter was:

Heinkel He-219 "Uhu" (Nightowl)

First prototype flown in Nov 1942 but, unfortunately for Germans, the project was canceled in May 1944 so only some preproduction aircraft were build (100-300) which equipped certain night squadrons (operationaly used from April 1943).

1/NJG11 at Venlo in the Netherlands shot down 20 RAF aircraft (including 6 Mosquitos) in first 6 sorties by that unit.

On 11 June 1943 major Werner Streib shot down 5 Lancasters bombers in single sortie...


Leo "Apollo11"


I didn't forget, got the book back, but unfortunatly cant find overall data, just some fragments... i need to read a book again, i suppose...

"No. 109 Squadron was able to to get rid of its Wellingtons and adopt the Mosquito (dec.'42). The Squadron continued to fly Oboe Mosquitos untill the end of the war and lose to enemy flak and night-fighters only eighteen machines..:"

Title of the book is "The Other Battle" by Peter Hinchliffe


RGR (and thanks)!


Leo "Apollo11"

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