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Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 3:06:52 PM   
ctid98


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Status: offline 		I admit I'm an Allied fanboy and even with UV didn't play as the Japanese, however there seem to be more and more Allied PBEM opponents about than ever before so if I'm going to go down that road I may as well try it as the Japanese, though first I must learn the production system and get a strategy.

Now, as for strategy, knock Pacific fleet out for 6 months, grab SRA, Malaya / Burma, hold China at bay and build up defences in Central Pacific. Not a great deal different from history. I am however toying with the idea of invading Australia, or more precisely Western Australia.

Its far to big a country (though a very beautiful one) to take out right and I'm not sure Japan has the resources to do it, but to Attack Western Austalia should be possible. Hitting Perth and Darwin will cut off the southern and northern shipping routes and shouldn't prove too difficult to supply and hopefully defend. At least not if done early enough in the campaign, say the first three months. Both have good sized ports and airfields to start but aren't greatly defended, although Perth will be on its own for quite a bit of the time.

I'm wondering therefore if anybody has tried this yet and how they got on with it. Was it easy to accomplish, could they be easily supplied, or did it turn into a real pigs ear and should never have left the planning table????

Thanks

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 3:41:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, to set up a Japan strategy takes just lot of games as Japan. You don’t really understand what to do, in which order, with which units to gain all SRA.
Don’t understimate “historic” behaviour. It does make a big difference to conquer SRA in 3 months instead of in 6, or to do it killing Allies Units or doing giving Allies time to pull out.
You also will see what you can’t do. Japan has very limited resources, you must supply very far bases.
Anyway, provided you got your SRA strategy and you conquered SRA, let’s see about Australia.

First of all, IMO
1)don’t invade Australia just to cut the north supply. You can achieve the same result by putting bases in Amboina Kendari and Bali or Timor. As long as you have Air superiority you can close down the route.
When you lose the air superiority (some time in late ’42-early '43), the route gets open again, regardless if you hold Northern bases in Australia or not.

2) don’t invade Australia to drive allied forces there or to stalemate them there. Firstly, cause a good allied player can simply accept the stalemate there and bypass australia and simply go to Truk and Kendari. That way he gets your divs in Australia trapped.

3) don’t invade Australia to fight Allies there. I prefer to fight Allies and try to stop them over some islands where he has his units distrupted, killed during the landing and where i can cause him the most damage. In Australia is too easy for the Allied player: no distruption. no fatigue, no landing. he can enmass and attack without caring about navy or air. you basically fight him on his best ground.

Before deciding how to invade Australia, decide why you want to invade. When you know what are your goals, what you hope to achieve it will be easier to know how many units and how to do that.
IMO invading Australia is worth only:
1) if it helps you getting Autovictory in ‘42
2) if you can conquer south of australia where there are the resources and where new units start. That way at least you reduce Allied forces.

Taking the north Australia gives you no advantage (allied can simply let you take those bases, you don’t hurt his build-up). North Australia is worth but only as staging point to then head south.
In north there are some supply bases. but they won’t be enough to supply 8-10 Divs/Bde (which i think is what you need for conquering it).
However, provided you have all SRA under your control, you can supply Australia from Java and Sumatra and Singapore and your shipping lines are safe and not too far.

PS: this is for PBEM games. Against AI you can prolly conquer US coast.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 4:31:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd have to agree with much of what has been said. As an Allied player, I don't really see the point of Japan invading Oz. It would take a lot of doing, the Aussies don't stink, and have quite a few troops. You're also constrained along a very narrow front, and the Allied player will be able to throw guys at you via his rail network.

You're taking about having to muster several divisions in order to take Oz. It just seems to me that throwing extra divisions into Burma/India will show better returns. Whether they're the extra "umph" necessary to break thru Imphal, or an amphib invasion along India (to break the stalemate at Imphal), I think you're getting more bang for your buck in CBI than in Oz (and India had far more resources than Oz, and you won't have to spend the transports actually moving it around, since most of it will travel overland).

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 4:56:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I play only as the Japanese player. I can say that the only time you can try this, is with in the 1st 3 months. After that, you can forget it.

I tried to outflank Ron by invading India near Dacca. He managed to blunt my attempt and badly hurt 2 divisions. I also lost quite a few AP's. It delayed my offensive to take Java by 2 months, giving him more time to dig in and ship in extra troops.

But to invade OZ, you will need at least 4 divisions just to hold the northern bases. Those forces have to come from somewhere. If you pull forces from the PI, you lose time. I managed to take Singapore 1 day earlier than history and the PI ahead of schedule. But I threw everything I had at them. Every spare division or brigade. It took almost a month for my forces to recoup their losses. If you have not secured Malaya, the PI or the DEI by the end of Feb 42, you can basically forget invading OZ, in my opinion.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 5:11:15 PM   
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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 5:16:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seriously contemplated it though. But I opted for India and Java at the same time.

Not a good idea. I may try it in about a year and a half. After patch version 4.8 is released for my re-match's.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 6:08:23 PM   
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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 6:51:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ctid98

I admit I'm an Allied fanboy and even with UV didn't play as the Japanese, however there seem to be more and more Allied PBEM opponents about than ever before so if I'm going to go down that road I may as well try it as the Japanese, though first I must learn the production system and get a strategy.

Now, as for strategy, knock Pacific fleet out for 6 months, grab SRA, Malaya / Burma, hold China at bay and build up defences in Central Pacific. Not a great deal different from history. I am however toying with the idea of invading Australia, or more precisely Western Australia.

Its far to big a country (though a very beautiful one) to take out right and I'm not sure Japan has the resources to do it, but to Attack Western Austalia should be possible. Hitting Perth and Darwin will cut off the southern and northern shipping routes and shouldn't prove too difficult to supply and hopefully defend. At least not if done early enough in the campaign, say the first three months. Both have good sized ports and airfields to start but aren't greatly defended, although Perth will be on its own for quite a bit of the time.

I'm wondering therefore if anybody has tried this yet and how they got on with it. Was it easy to accomplish, could they be easily supplied, or did it turn into a real pigs ear and should never have left the planning table????

Thanks

CTID98




If you are going to attack Australia, you need to set your sights higher. Conquer the whole thing. It can be done. Of course, this requires a lot of planning and preposition of troops, you also have to take out the islands along the east coast of australia including new zealand and tasmania. The key to taking Australia, because the aussies will outnumber you strategically, is to outnumber them TACTICALLY everytime you fight them. Because you can always pick the time and place of battles, and moving Aussie troops the long distances is time consuming, you can cut off bases, bring up superior forces and fight battles of encirclement. You have to pick your battles carefully, always pick a place that can be reduced before reinforcements can be shifted from other areas. Western Australia cannot be held against a determined Japaense offensive. Southern Australia has the same problem. Eastern Australia is more problematic. First you have to take eastern papua/new guinea and port moresby. Then you have to take all the islands off the eastern coast of australia including new caledonia, new zealand and tasmania. Then you have to put strong air and naval forces in these islands to keep America from reinforcing the Aussies. having done this you now land a large amphibious force at the midpoint in western australia, just pick one of the bases approximately half way between townsville and sidney. Make sure that armored forces are part of this landing,and move inland to cut the roads that run north and south. This will cut the australian army in half. Now you have to cut it into thirds so you have to land at one more place, you pick it. Once you have cut the Australian army into three pieces then you focus on one of the pieces and hit it with everything you've got. If you cut this one third piece off from supplies first, it won't be able to hold.

This is a tough operation to carry off but it can be done. The key is planning and prepositioning. While you are busy taking PI and DEI you have to be prepositioning forces in Truk and Kwajalein for the offensive that will take all the islands just east of Australia, places like Santa Cruz, Espirito Santo, Efate, New caledonia, New zealand, and tasmania. You'll need lots of engineers and air support and lots of air power.

The payback is worth it though as you gain the resources in Australia and you knock the australian army out of the war. America will of course launch a determined effort to keep you from taking Australia, so if you put large naval and air forces in the islands to the east of australia you may catch an amphibious fleet and send it tot he bottom of the pacific. My attitude is that Australian troops who are in prison camps in '42 cannot also be reconquering Papua New Guinea in '43 or '44. And, US forces sent to the bottom trying to reinforce Australia cannot also be attacking the Empire in '43 or '44.

Attack Australia but throw everything you have at it and spend a lot of time on planning and prepositioning forces to cut off the American reinforcement/resupply efforts.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 6:59:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I play only as the Japanese player. I can say that the only time you can try this, is with in the 1st 3 months. After that, you can forget it.

I tried to outflank Ron by invading India near Dacca. He managed to blunt my attempt and badly hurt 2 divisions. I also lost quite a few AP's. It delayed my offensive to take Java by 2 months, giving him more time to dig in and ship in extra troops.

But to invade OZ, you will need at least 4 divisions just to hold the northern bases. Those forces have to come from somewhere. If you pull forces from the PI, you lose time. I managed to take Singapore 1 day earlier than history and the PI ahead of schedule. But I threw everything I had at them. Every spare division or brigade. It took almost a month for my forces to recoup their losses. If you have not secured Malaya, the PI or the DEI by the end of Feb 42, you can basically forget invading OZ, in my opinion.



So why not bypass PI, DEI and Malaya altogether and concentrate solely on Australia? you can isolate PI, DEI and Malaya and conquer them later. use the surprise turn (turn one) to move troops to palau,truk and kwajelein. Then on turn two hit the islands down both the east coast and west coast of australia. Move large naval and air forces into these bases to stop any reinforcements reaching australia from india or america. Then divide and conquer. Not easy, requires a lot of planning, but doable.

The real question is, is it worth the effort? Are the resources gained worth it? I think eliminating the Australian forces so they don't face you elsewhere later is worth it.

Another question is, what forces will face you in PI, DEI, and Malaya if you delay operations there till dec '42? (Assuming that it takes one year to take australia).

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 7:03:21 PM   
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Another question is, what forces will face you in PI, DEI, and Malaya if you delay operations there till dec '42? (Assuming that it takes one year to take australia).


Only problem with this is, your oil will be long gone by then. You have to secure the DEI oil first.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 7:10:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can not delay at all in the DEI. You will run out of oil/resources. I am in 7/42 and Ron still has most of Java because I delayed the invasion. I am already feeling the pinch.

Just delaying the invasion of Java until May 1942 allowed Ron to fortify heavily, move extra forces into the island, increase air strength. You just do not have the forces to do everything you want. By Feb 42, the excellent Brit divisions are arriving in India. Within 2 months, these units are facing you in Burma. Strip any units what so ever from there and you are toast. If you give an opponent any time at all anywhere, you will pay a heavy price. I have 5 divisions in Java and still it is very tough going trying to pound down size 9 forts and get enough supplies through his air cover to sustain them.

The only way you are going to invade OZ and have a chance of succeding is to conquer Malaya, PI and the DEI in 3 months total. Then you have to immediatly have to go for OZ. Your troops just will not have the time to re-coup losses. You can then have 4 excellent divisions in Burma and about 8 divisions for OZ plus 3 big brigades and a few small ones.

I am facing 2 Aus brigades in Java plus a few others. As soon as you make the 1st landing on OZ, the 2nd Marine and every US division that is available will be on the way to OZ.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 7:20:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about this:
Take SRA first
Then take quickly: Rabaul, GuadalCanal, Luganville, Noumea then New Zealand (dont bother with PM)
Next move is to take Perth and Cooktown+Cairns
Australia is cut off from supply. Ideally your opponent will go after your Perth/Northern OZ invasion. (If not I think it is best to beat a retreat. ) Then land all your troops from NZ in southern OZ. The enemy will be on the move to the wrong direction without any supply or place to go.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 7:29:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BlackVoid

How about this:
Take SRA first
Then take quickly: Rabaul, GuadalCanal, Luganville, Noumea then New Zealand (dont bother with PM)
Next move is to take Perth and Cooktown+Cairns
Australia is cut off from supply. Ideally your opponent will go after your Perth/Northern OZ invasion. (If not I think it is best to beat a retreat. ) Then land all your troops from NZ in southern OZ. The enemy will be on the move to the wrong direction without any supply or place to go.


You have to secure Malaya and the PI also or having the DEI is pointless. Singapore sits too close to Palembang. The PI block your supply routes to Japan.

Taking NZ could be doable, but you then have to keep those forces there or the Allies will retake it and then you are trapped in OZ with no way out.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 7:37:54 PM   
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You can not delay at all in the DEI. You will run out of oil/resources. I am in 7/42 and Ron still has most of Java because I delayed the invasion. I am already feeling the pinch.

Just delaying the invasion of Java until May 1942 allowed Ron to fortify heavily, move extra forces into the island, increase air strength. You just do not have the forces to do everything you want. By Feb 42, the excellent Brit divisions are arriving in India. Within 2 months, these units are facing you in Burma. Strip any units what so ever from there and you are toast. If you give an opponent any time at all anywhere, you will pay a heavy price. I have 5 divisions in Java and still it is very tough going trying to pound down size 9 forts and get enough supplies through his air cover to sustain them.

The only way you are going to invade OZ and have a chance of succeding is to conquer Malaya, PI and the DEI in 3 months total. Then you have to immediatly have to go for OZ. Your troops just will not have the time to re-coup losses. You can then have 4 excellent divisions in Burma and about 8 divisions for OZ plus 3 big brigades and a few small ones.

I am facing 2 Aus brigades in Java plus a few others. As soon as you make the 1st landing on OZ, the 2nd Marine and every US division that is available will be on the way to OZ.



Why can't the IJN cut DEI off from resupply/reinforcement? If you take the islands east of australia before you launch your invasion and put strong air forces and naval forces there, how will the US transports move past them?

I see a double standard in this forum when it comes to Japanese operations. The argument is always, "the allies air power will blunt you" but when I suggest using Japanese air power in the same way the suggestion is ignored.

Is there a reason for this? I have used the IJN to interdict resupply and reinforcement efforts to good success. Why is this capability always ignored? The allies cannot just move troops/supplies/air power anywhere they want, they have to get past IJN and japanese air power.

Hirohito

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 7:55:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds good in theory. I play as Japan exclusively and I tell you that you can not delay the PI, Malaya, DEI at all.

You can not do it without securing those areas first. So you are going to put a few SNLF units on some islands between the US and OZ backed up by some air power. Now you have to supply them. Once the 2nd Marine Division comes a calling then what? Those a/c you stick on those islands only last until they get chewed up by the Allied CV's. The Brits are going to be in your backfield haveing a field day also.

The Hurricane is a killer with decent experience crews. Even Zeros will get chewed up by them if the experience dips any.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 8:14:02 PM   
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You have to secure Malaya and the PI also or having the DEI is pointless. Singapore sits too close to Palembang. The PI block your supply routes to Japan.

Taking NZ could be doable, but you then have to keep those forces there or the Allies will retake it and then you are trapped in OZ with no way out.


By SRA, I meant Malaya, DEI and PI. No delays there. In Apr-May 1942 you can do Rabaul+Guadalcanal+Noumea+NZ+Perth+Cooktown and Cairns.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 8:15:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The point in this strategy is to go for points. Leave the allies time to reinforce so you can destroy more forces. If by late 1942 you cannot complete this plan, then evac from NZ and OZ.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 8:19:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		My bad then. Misunderstood you.

That is a possibility, but you still have to figure out how to stop the Allied advance on those islands when your primary assualt forces pull back out. Plus keep them supplied. Because little SNLF's are not going to hold back the 2nd Marine Div. The IJN can cause them to pause, but if they start taking damage, it is a LONG way back to Japan.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 8:30:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Allied counterattack is a possibility, but the KB is your mobile strike force. The KB must support landings everywhere, but once the landings are complete, you can leave the area (OZ) to land based air. Then you must decide where the allied counterblow comes. IF you guess right and intervene with the KB, their offensive will be crushed. If you guess wrong, the Allies will take NZ or PI or some other important place. You still have the force to counterattack at this time.
ALso part of this strategy is to fight the allies why you still have a chance. Leave the fight to late 43 and you have no chance.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 10:52:29 PM   
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You can not delay at all in the DEI. You will run out of oil/resources. I am in 7/42 and Ron still has most of Java because I delayed the invasion. I am already feeling the pinch.

Just delaying the invasion of Java until May 1942 allowed Ron to fortify heavily, move extra forces into the island, increase air strength. You just do not have the forces to do everything you want. By Feb 42, the excellent Brit divisions are arriving in India. Within 2 months, these units are facing you in Burma. Strip any units what so ever from there and you are toast. If you give an opponent any time at all anywhere, you will pay a heavy price. I have 5 divisions in Java and still it is very tough going trying to pound down size 9 forts and get enough supplies through his air cover to sustain them.

The only way you are going to invade OZ and have a chance of succeding is to conquer Malaya, PI and the DEI in 3 months total. Then you have to immediatly have to go for OZ. Your troops just will not have the time to re-coup losses. You can then have 4 excellent divisions in Burma and about 8 divisions for OZ plus 3 big brigades and a few small ones.

I am facing 2 Aus brigades in Java plus a few others. As soon as you make the 1st landing on OZ, the 2nd Marine and every US division that is available will be on the way to OZ.


Anyone with balls big enough to try for OZ is thinking with them. Might look possible with the current map, but what if we had the more accurate map being paraded in the wish list thread? None of the bases are as isolated as they are with the present one (ie Perth). It would be a meat grinder which Japan cannot win.

Gonna take the entire DEI, PI, Malaya in three months, maybe the Solomons and New Guinea to cover the flank prior to the Oz assault? Good luck. Gonna try it without taking these areas? Gonna need more than luck and the incredibly gamey, over generous, pro Japan, first turn "suplize rule". The game will be over by 44.

When playing PBEM, it is difficult for Japan to even secure what was historically secured by April/May 42. You have to hit fast and hit hard in these areas, leaving nothing substantial for other adventures. As Dave says, if you take longer than 3 months, it's gonna be a rough ride. Dave does have the Solomons as a trade off for being late securing in the DEI, but the Solomons burn supply, the DEI provides it in vast quantities.

Someone mentioned Japanese airpower? Well, Dave has All Borneo, Sumatra, the Celebes, and the NE coast of New Guinea (and the islands like Halmahera to the NW of New Guinea). With these big bases, his airpower has not stemmed the flow of supplies and materiel to Java. If he had taken Bali and Flores to negate these airfields VERY EARLY, things may have been much easier for him in Java, but bythe time he launched the invasion, these islands may have been Japanese, but would be unuseable from Allied LBA.

SRA, PI, Malaya is the key early on and don't think about anything else.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/8/2004 11:07:39 PM   
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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 12:36:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the long run I can't see an advantage to taking all of Australia, I feel it would eat up too many troops in taking and garrisoning the place, leave you stretched else where and for the resources you get its not worth it. Those long legged subs will have a field day with you.

I do however feel that the taking of Western Australia could still hold promise. They can be supplied from the SRA, Perth can't be touched by air power unless Alice Springs is built up of CV's are deployed and it'll keep Australian troops either pinned to the East coast for fear of more expansion, or in trying to take back what was lost.

This is something I'm going to have to play with and also watch for on the AAR's in case anybodies willing to try it.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 2:14:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		With a historical map taking Austrailia would be very difficult, possibly impossible, and definately not worth it.

With the currrent map it can probably be done profitably.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 2:36:55 PM   
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With a historical map taking Austrailia would be very difficult, possibly impossible, and definately not worth it.

With the currrent map it can probably be done profitably.


Perth, as CTiD98 said, is very vulnerable with this map. I really hope a map change is in the pike. Fix OZ and Alaska, add a few island groups missing to help with the buggered Auto Convoy routine and lack of waypoints and off we go!

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 3:31:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you have NZ, there is no real need to keep a large garrison. I doubt that the brits can land near Perth. The americans cannot afford to land while NZ is still Japan's.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 3:32:08 PM   
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KAMPFI: ha ezt olvasod szolj nekem! Semmi ertelme a strategiamnak ha elore tudod.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 3:36:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would also help if we got more 'room' around the south west tip of Australia to sail by. Taking Perth then for me wouldn't be an option as I'd only do it to cut off the shipping route. Allow the allies to sail further around it and out of range and it seems a pointless exercise, if it isn't already!

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 3:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		A geagraphy question: How far south can you sail around the bottom of austrailia. At what point do you hit ice.

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 3:40:44 PM   
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If you have NZ, there is no real need to keep a large garrison. I doubt that the brits can land near Perth. The americans cannot afford to land while NZ is still Japan's.


Man I'd like to see anyone try for NZ. If the Allied player is half decent he Japanese player would get emaciated!

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RE: Taking Western Australia - 11/9/2004 3:58:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: moses

A geagraphy question: How far south can you sail around the bottom of austrailia. At what point do you hit ice.


When you start running into penguins head north again!

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