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Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 4:42:35 PM   
newbie101

 

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Status: offline 		Does the auto convoy system work? How do you add ships to the system? Where can you see the status of ships within the system (i.e. loading, at sea, etc.)?

Thanks for the info.
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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 4:46:31 PM   
Peter Fisla


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Status: offline 		1) I find that the Auto-convoy system is so so...I think for the next game I will just set up the convoy system myself. From time to time my ships will wonder into enemy territory and get hammered; well that's a house rule to help the enemy AI

2) There is a button on the top of screen toolbar for managing auto-convoy

3) You can click on the transport ship icon on the map to find out what's going on...

Peter

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 4:52:13 PM   
tigercub


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Status: offline 		in short it does but is still a waste of time...for the japs who don`t have the supply to move anyway!

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 4:53:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a very inefficient system and if you want to use your AK's to maximum effectiveness you're best off coming up with a manual system.

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 5:04:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Easiest way to do it is ID a few supply hub bases. As the Allies, PH, Anchorage, Suva or Noumea are generally the best. Japan - Truk, Palau, Singapore....

Set up a few Continuous supply convoys running from the Home Islands/West Coast to those bases so you build up a ton of supplies/fuel. Then from those bases use smaller convoys and smaller ships to move it forward to your operating bases. I think once you get that set up (and it only take a turn or two once you have the ships in place), you actually have much more flexibility and control than with the Auto-System, and it doesn't really take any more work either...

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 5:34:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: madflava13

Easiest way to do it is ID a few supply hub bases. As the Allies, PH, Anchorage, Suva or Noumea are generally the best. Japan - Truk, Palau, Singapore....

Set up a few Continuous supply convoys running from the Home Islands/West Coast to those bases so you build up a ton of supplies/fuel. Then from those bases use smaller convoys and smaller ships to move it forward to your operating bases. I think once you get that set up (and it only take a turn or two once you have the ships in place), you actually have much more flexibility and control than with the Auto-System, and it doesn't really take any more work either...


Doing it as madflava mentions about the only attention you need to pay to the convoys is to check them occasionally to check the sys damage on the ships. I keep "spare" AKs and TKs in my "hub" bases and simply replace worn ships with fresh ones and let the replaced ships repair. As the Allies I'm constantly moving large amounts of supplies and still have around 300 AK ships sitting in ports in reserve and for special uses (such as moving troops or extra supplies for invasions, etc).

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 5:51:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a question how large are your convoys (# of ships) in your convoys?

I'll generally have 2-3 convoys of 10-15 AK's (7000 capacity) each running to the major supply points (SF to Pago Pago, SF to Pearl). That's 40-90 large AK's at sea at any given point. I use the small AK's for supply runs to the operational bases (they load/unload a lot more quickly).

I'm having a lot of trouble balancing the flow versus keeping my AK's healthy. I'm in June/July of '42 and am desperate for more large AK's. I stripped roughly 40 from the Brits as they seem to have a large surplus. They just arrived at Brisbane but I want to get their system damage down a little more before sending them to SF.

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 6:06:07 PM   
Feinder


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Status: offline 		Just say no to auto-convoys!
Friends don't let friends auto-convoy!

Be a -real- WitP general, and micro-manage everything, you know you want to!

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 6:13:13 PM   
dereck


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quote:

ORIGINAL: The Gnome

As a question how large are your convoys (# of ships) in your convoys?

I'll generally have 2-3 convoys of 10-15 AK's (7000 capacity) each running to the major supply points (SF to Pago Pago, SF to Pearl). That's 40-90 large AK's at sea at any given point. I use the small AK's for supply runs to the operational bases (they load/unload a lot more quickly).

I'm having a lot of trouble balancing the flow versus keeping my AK's healthy. I'm in June/July of '42 and am desperate for more large AK's. I stripped roughly 40 from the Brits as they seem to have a large surplus. They just arrived at Brisbane but I want to get their system damage down a little more before sending them to SF.


As soon as I could, I transfered all TKs and all but maybe 20 or so AKs from India over to the West Coast. My "supply depots" change with my front, but currently I have these bases being used as my main depots:

Pearl Harbor
Canton
Luganville

I have 2 10 7000 ton AK and 2 10 18,000 ton TK convoys between San Francisco and Pearl Harbor timed so that when one is unloading in Pearl Harbor the other is loading in San Francisco (they meet mid point on the route). I also currently have 2 10 7000 ton AK convoys and 1 10 18,000 TK convoy going to my alternate anchorage at Lahaina from Los Angeles. In Hawaii Pearl Harbor had 857K supply and 912K fuel and Lahaina 702K supply and 926K fuel. Before I started storing supplies at Lahaina I had 2 10 7000 ton AK and 1 10 18,000 TK convoy between Los Angeles and Pearl Harbor.

I then have 2 10 7000 ton AK and 2 5 18,000 ton TK convoys between Pearl Harbor and Canton Island. Canton currently has 663K supply and 887 fuel.

Between Canton Island and Luganville I have 2 10 7000 ton AK, 1 5 7000 ton AK and 2 5 18,000 TK convoys. Luganville has 128K supplies and 809K fuel.

I currently also have 1 5 7000 ton AK and 1 5 18,000 TK convoy between Luganville and Port Moresby supplying some supplies to New Guinea.

I also keep extra AK and TKs at San Francisco, Pearl Harbor and Canton simply to use to replace worn ships in the convoys. For the ones I replace in San Francisco or Pearl Harbor I simply repair there. For the ones I replace in Canton Island I'll send back to Pearl Harbor and transfer an equal number of repaired ships to Canton Island at the same time. For worn ships going out of Luganville I switch with repaired ships from Canton Island and then send back to Pearl.

I have other AK ships I use to keep regional bases supplied (like the Solomons from my depot in Luganville) and also to help carry supplies/troops for invasions if I don't have enough APs.

I tend to have a lot of 4500 ton AK ships in San Francisco I use to transfer air squadrons around and in my other depots I use those to supply minor bases.

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 6:41:09 PM   
The Gnome


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Status: offline 		Right now my only two operational bases I need to worry about are Noumea and Brisbane. I actually have three levels of basing:

Rear Area Suppl/Fuel Dumps - These are very safe, out of enemy air and naval range. Pearl, Pago-Pago, and Suva are my current examples.

Operational Bases - These are my area HQ bases that I use as staging areas for supplies and reinforcements. They're pretty safe but not 100% and are heavily protected by air and naval assets. Enemy action is not expected but shouldn't be discounted. Currently there's only Noumea and Brisbane.

Frontline Bases - Everything else ;) Usually these are in the process of being built up and are not safe at all. Enemy action is expected. Midway, Port Moresby and Luganville are examples of this.


I usually have large lightly guarded convoys to the supply/fuel dumps comprised of the large AK's. Smaller more heavily protected convoys to the operational bases, using a mix of large and small AK's. The front line bases are a trick to resupply ;) I usually have to plan some operation to get them through without loss.

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 8:20:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I appreciate the comments and I plan to take the advice given but let me ask a follow-up question or two. (1) Assuming I opt to take care of my own convoys, what about the ships that are already dedicated (by the system at the start of the scenario) to the auto convoy system? Can I take them out of auto convoy and handle them manually without losing the ships? I thought I read in the manual that I could lose ships formerly assigned to auto convoy if taken out of auto convoy. (2) Convoys are about the most efficient way to supply sea side hex bases. What about land locked bases? Are supplies "bled through" to them from the seaside hexes. There is nothing I can do for supply of a land locked hex other than wait for it to be supplied by the system automatically? Right? (3) With respect to oil for industry, do I have to identify each base that produces oil and establish a convoy to ferry oil back to an industrial center? And how can I tell if a particular base is running low on oil supplies for industrial purposes?

Thanks again for the additional info.

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RE: Auto Convoy System - 12/14/2004 11:36:21 PM   
madflava13


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Status: offline 		Quick answers...
1. Taking a ship off of auto convoy doesn't make it disappear. You can give it new orders to do whatever...
2. Land-locked bases will draw needed supplies or resources/oil from bases that have excess. Check the manual because different types of roads/rails/etc. limit the amounts that move in this manner. So if you're dumping supplies at Sydney and Brisbane needs some, they will automatically move there - but again, see the manual for the limitations to this method.
3. When you click on the base, on the left side there is a listing of the total supplies, fuel, resources and oil currently stored at that base. Depending on what your daily usage is for the base, you can look and see if you need to ship in more oil or whatever. There's a formula for how much oil/resource/etc. you need for industrial purposes - Go to Spooky's Site at http://mathubert.free.fr/ and look through. There are some really good walk-throughs explaining the production system for Japan. If you're the Allies there really isn't anything you need to worry about production-wise as the computer handles it for you.
4. Yes, you need to ship oil and resources back to your production bases. You can click on the industry tab in the Intelligence screen and sort by oil or resources, etc... That will give you the list of bases producing whatever it is you sorted by...

< Message edited by madflava13 -- 12/14/2004 4:37:20 PM >

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