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Game progress on and pression raise...
Especially between joint-allied command ;)
General Mac Jarthur: "here I evacuated some of the P-40 out of philippines"
Admiral Van Nathmann: "Great, I supposed they are based in Amboina now ? "
G MJ: "Well no, I decide to put them into crate and evacuate them by boat"
A VN: *BONK*...
But this turn give us some enlightning anyway...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/08/41
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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 62,66
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Coastal Guns at Davao, 41,61, firing at TF 43
TF 43 troops unloading over beach at Davao, 41,61
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TF 44 troops unloading over beach at Cagayan, 42,59
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TF 49 troops unloading over beach at Cagayan, 42,59
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TF 83 troops unloading over beach at Miri, 31,57
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Coastal Guns at Brunei, 32,57, firing at TF 84
TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Brunei, 32,57
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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 85
TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45
TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45
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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46,49
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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Jolo, 38,59
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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 91
TF 91 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45
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TF 92 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46,49
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Coastal Guns at Rabaul, 61,88, firing at TF 104
TF 104 troops unloading over beach at Rabaul, 61,88
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Coastal Guns at Rabaul, 61,88, firing at TF 105
TF 105 troops unloading over beach at Rabaul, 61,88
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TF 126 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 44,55
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Plus several other landing in undefended-no base hexes... :(
Wich is mildly annoying especially as they aren't called for nor appear in CR...
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Sub attack at 24,49
Japanese Ships
SS I-122, hits 2, on fire
Allied Ships
DD Stronghold
CL Durban
This kind of things really make my early days better :)
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Night Air attack on Bandou , at 25,41
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 6
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
Strategic air war have begun ... somewhat. Anyway those are better used this way than crashing the computer in interception ;)
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Night Time Surface Combat at 42,52
Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
DD Fubuki
DD Shirayuki
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Asagiri
DD Yugiri
DD Amagiri, Shell hits 2
Allied Ships
DD Pillsbury, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pope, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PG Isabel, Shell hits 1
MSW Finch, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Bittern, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
Remember I was wondering why he doesn't bombard more in prevision of landing... now I know why :( my devious opponent put several Hunter-Killer groups all around the Philippines and is now praying in the late escaping transports...
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Night Time Surface Combat at 42,52
Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
DD Fubuki
DD Shirayuki
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Asagiri
DD Yugiri
DD Amagiri
Allied Ships
DD Pillsbury, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
PG Isabel, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Finch, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat at 42,52
Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
DD Fubuki
DD Shirayuki
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Asagiri
DD Yugiri
DD Amagiri
Allied Ships
PG Tulsa, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
MSW Tanager, Shell hits 3, on fire
MSW Quail, Shell hits 25, and is sunk
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 38,59
Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 9, on fire
DD Murasame
DD Harusame, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CL Marblehead
DD Barker
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Parrott
DD Stewart
Surprise, Allies have teeth and show for that. An inconclusive draw match I nearly consider a victory given our current training in night fighting.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 38,59
Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Shell hits 3
DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 2
DD Minegumo, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Murasame, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Harusame, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CL Boise, Shell hits 30
And THAT is the event of the day, of the year even. The lone Boise make a dash approach and engage in several round a fairly larger japanese forces. Sailing fiercely he dodge many torpedo attack and deliver flaming death on Japanese light ships... Even his counterpart take some serious beating. Thoses heroes doesnt depart the battlefield without emptying their magazine. His hull marked by the impact of many japanese guns he sunk again in the night... but only to reappear later. The myth of the "Flying Dutchman" is reborn .. except that this time it is not so dutch.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 44,55
Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
DD Yukikaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Shiokaze
Allied Ships
TK Manatawny, Shell hits 26, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Dos Hermanos, Shell hits 26, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Elcano, on fire
AK Si Kiang, Shell hits 2
And around Philippines the Japanese continue the slaughtering and there was more rejoicing, YEHAAAA :(
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Night Time Surface Combat at 25,46
Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Fuso, Shell hits 2
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 9
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
CL Oi
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Wakatake
DD Kuretake
DD Sanae
PG Oi Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
PG Takunan Maru #3, Shell hits 3, on fire
PG Takunan Maru #8
PG Tamo Maru #6, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
PG Tamo Maru #7
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 10
BC Repulse, Shell hits 5, on fire
CL Danae, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vampire
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 1
DD Tenedos
DD Electra
DD Express, Shell hits 2, on fire
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Night Time Surface Combat at 25,46
Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 2
BB Hyuga, on fire
CL Kitakami
CL Oi, Shell hits 1
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Wakatake
DD Kuretake
DD Sanae
PG Oi Maru, on fire
PG Takunan Maru #3, Shell hits 1, on fire
PG Takunan Maru #8
PG Tamo Maru #7
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 9, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, and is sunk
DD Vampire, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Tenedos
DD Electra, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Express, Shell hits 1, on fire
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Night Time Surface Combat at 25,46
Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Fuso, Shell hits 1
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
CL Oi
DD Yukaze
DD Wakatake
DD Kuretake, Shell hits 1
DD Sanae
PG Oi Maru, on fire, heavy damage
PG Takunan Maru #3, on fire
PG Takunan Maru #8
PG Tamo Maru #7
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 3, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vampire, Shell hits 29, and is sunk
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 1
DD Express, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Ok, this one nearly make me cry. I was assuming that I will only confront a small Japanese AK force and found myself pitted against 4 Battleships :( We fought valiantly, except the silly gun director of the POW that hammer a PG with full volley while being slammed by 4 japanese BB... DUH
Losses weren't too big and I had confidence in the British ships survivability... Especially so close of a Shipyard. But it was clear I will not be able to battle against thoses landings...
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Naval bombardment of Khota Bharu, at 24,45
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Naval bombardment of Cagayan, at 42,59
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Yuzuki
DD Kikuzuki
DD Uzuki
DD Oboro
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
Allied Ships
AK Magallanes, Shell hits 2, on fire
AK Luzon, Shell hits 1, on fire
Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Runway hits 16
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 6
yeah , they are still there... We forgot to keep some PP to have them fly away...
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Naval bombardment of Jolo, at 38,59
Japanese Ships
DD Yudachi
DD Murasame, on fire, heavy damage
DD Minegumo, on fire
DD Natsugumo
CL Naka
Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 2
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2
The survivors still firing but they are visibly not in their best shape.
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Naval bombardment of Legaspi, at 44,55
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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 46,49
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Naval bombardment of Aparri, at 46,49
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Naval bombardment of Khota Bharu, at 24,45
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Naval bombardment of Rabaul, at 61,88
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
CL Kashima
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3
Port hits 1
Bombing after landings sound sub-optimal anyway.... And this lone CL at Rabaul... hum it deserve some attention...
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TF 116 troops unloading over beach at Dadjangas, 41,62
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TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Guam, 62,66
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TF 44 troops unloading over beach at Cagayan, 42,59
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TF 83 troops unloading over beach at Miri, 31,57
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Coastal Guns at Brunei, 32,57, firing at TF 84
TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Brunei, 32,57
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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 85
TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45
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TF 87 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46,49
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TF 88 troops unloading over beach at Jolo, 38,59
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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 91
TF 91 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45
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TF 92 troops unloading over beach at Aparri, 46,49
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TF 126 troops unloading over beach at Legaspi, 44,55
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
G3M Nell x 35
G4M1 Betty x 49
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 41
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
16 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
Scary raid on an empty base
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 70
Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 2 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 15
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
13 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
Thoses ones where espected, probably a thought after of my opponent. Anyway just a waste of good pilots.
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Day Air attack on 1st Parachute Regiment, at 41,35
Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 6
SB-2c x 20
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
7 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
2 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
2 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
Chinese massive counter attack on the parachutiste manage to hit ... nothing at all. Quite impressive I should say.
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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45
Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 6
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kyushu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,46
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 5
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Hikade Maru
AP Hakka Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Only 2 strike hit on the many lauched... and of course the Sword goes after AP and not wounded BB :(
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Day Air attack on TF at 26,47
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 32
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
MSW Ballarat
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
This is the kind of thing that make me smile :) Nothing better than a lone MSW to deserve great attention.
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Day Air attack on TF at 24,49
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 9
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,47
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 16
Ki-30 Ann x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,47
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 21
Ki-48 Lily x 43
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
1 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,47
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
BC Repulse, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,47
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 25
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
7 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 15000 feet
Long story short, he was numerous, he bomb from high and he score. Repulse sink :( BTW the 15.000 feet Torpedo hit joke is getting quite old....isn't it ?
Day Air attack on TF, near Brunei at 32,57
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Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Hinko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Brunei at 32,57
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 11
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kashiwara Maru
AP Hinko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Neikai Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 32,55
Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 4
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Nissen Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Day Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43
Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Jusan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
One more time the palm to the RDAF, thoses guys are good, few but goods.
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Day Air attack on TF at 24,49
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
CL Dragon
CL Mauritius
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
MISS :)
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ASW attack at 111,66
Japanese Ships
SS I-15
Allied Ships
PC Reliance
DD Henley
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Helm
DD Blue
MSW Tern
MSW Turkey
DMS Zane
DMS Hovey
MISS :(
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 38,59
Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
Allied Ships
CA Houston, Shell hits 11
Oups, remember our little fellows from Jolo ? now they deserve some 8 Inch love. Houston took many hit in return but nothing it cant shrug of.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 44,55
Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
DD Yukikaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Shiokaze
Allied Ships
AK Escalante R, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 44,55
Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
DD Yukikaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Shiokaze
Allied Ships
AK Taurus, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 2659 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 3734 troops, 39 guns, 2 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese ground losses:
276 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Hum this fight was determining. Obviously the Japanese haven't decided to comit too many forces in taking Rabaul. This sound quite strange and immediate orders are send for the fortress reinforcement. Only cripple is that Mc Jarthur report as only having some base forces and no combat unit to send there ;( Anyway he promised a counter-attack by the Australian Navy...
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Ground combat at Guam
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 7051 troops, 82 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 586 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Guam base !!!
Yeah, good job, really, you guys rules. Congratulation.... ;)
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Ground combat at Lingayen
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 1415 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 53 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Lingayen base !!!
Err, what, excuse me , where are the philippines forces ? oO. Frankly I tried to understand but my allied start to talk about overflanking, counterattacking, strongpoint and it just make me shrug, nod and tell " Ok , you are the one in charge here "....
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Ground combat at Jolo
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 3444 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 390 troops, 0 guns, 1 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 316 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jolo base !!!
Allied ground losses:
1123 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Nanchang
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 7334 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 26731 troops, 266 guns, 0 vehicles
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Ground combat at Hong Kong
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 12590 troops, 119 guns, 4 vehicles
Defending force 45532 troops, 488 guns, 17 vehicles
Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Bad idea, bad bad bad idea...
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Ground combat at Khota Bharu
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4776 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 32065 troops, 392 guns, 19 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Rabaul
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2239 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 3816 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Davao
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 2952 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4688 troops, 31 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Kweiyang
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2697 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1031 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1
Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
They are holding !!! Please just one or two more days so my reinforcement arrive, please...
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Ground combat at Miri
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1271 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Miri base !!!
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Ground combat at Aparri
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 9948 troops, 167 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 340 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 91 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri base !!!
Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Ok as summary not a so bad turn. Quite a good one in fact. Except for the butchering of the Force Z. But the ABDA CL have a free reign in Jolo area... Except for the now usable Size 4 airfield there... All effort will be commited to have this base unusable and closed. 1st Priority.
Also major troups movement start in West coast and counter-attack is also planned in China. Philippines PT flotilla will also try to interrupt Legaspi landing and get at the CS there. Dutch forces covering Menado are also called back North to Jolo area. Tarakan is building as a massive ( for the ABDA ;) ) concentration of troups and ships. Admiral Doorman is appointed to command half the cruiser while a brilliant American Surface officier take in charge the other group.
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