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RE: Stupid AI and a couple of questions - 2/10/2005 7:30:11 PM

kaleun

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I am currently reading (when not playing Freeboy, Warspite and Brigada

) Saburo Ienaga's The Pacific War 1931-1945. Fascinating reading about the root causes of the Pacific War. Highly recommend. You can get it from Amazon.

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RE: Stupid AI and a couple of questions - 2/10/2005 7:46:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Toast
To play devil's advocate here and argue against my own point, most of the Japanese decision making was based on the assumption that the Germans would beat the Russians in 1941/1942 and that the Western Powers would have to face the full might of the German armed forces alone. But if that was so, it still begs the question, why did they just not wait until Russia was defeated to make sure.

Because the Japanese were aware of the Two-Ocean act and they knew that they never had a prayer of matching this new navy once built. Pre-war the Japanese planners always figured they would be outnumbered, hence their stress on always trying to build the best warships and weapons and stressing training. They came up with a minimum "ratio" needed to give a good chance of victory in an unequal numerical contest.

Plugging in the numbers generated by the Two Ocean act would have made it statistically all but impossible for the Japanese navy to prevail. Hence the argument that it was "now or never" to have it out in the Pacific.

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RE: Stupid AI and a couple of questions - 2/10/2005 8:06:33 PM

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Aside from raw numbers of capital ships, though, the Japanese economy was never in any shape to support a massive war effort for any amount of time. THe industry was not up to the standards of the highly industrialized nations of the West at that time, the Army was essentially a light infantry army with no ability to stand up to a modern mechanized army, the merchant shipping fleet was inadequate for supplying the Home Islands with supplies from their far flng possessions, the logistics support for the far flung empire was totally inadequate and they had no way of rectifying any or all of these problems. The war was started on two assumptions: the Soviet Union would be defeated by Germany and the United States would come to the bargaining table after a major defeat. The first assumption was wrong but understandable, many foreign governments were making the same evaluation. The second was a follish notion and one which enough people in high places in Japan knew to be false but which the people in charge choose to ignore. In the final analysis, morality of aggression aside, leaders who lead their nation into a war which they have no possibility of winning are irresponsible in the extreme.

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RE: Stupid AI and a couple of questions - 2/10/2005 8:28:42 PM

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As for "selling them aid on the condition that they give up their colonies" - don't think there is great evidence for that. THe US gave a lot of assistance to France, Britain, to try to help hold onto stuff after the war (witness Vietnam) - but it was like trying to hold back the tide at that point.

The Victory at Sea series stated as much. I've been watching some old recordings of it this week.

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RE: Stupid AI and a couple of questions - 2/10/2005 9:24:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

The fact that the Aussies, Canadians, New Zealanders, South Africans etc. got dragged in was due to the British Commonwealth system. Did they really ask the citizens of those countries whether they wanted to participate - or was it a command performance?

At least in the first part of the war, all Commonwealth units sent to Europe/Middle East were made of volunteers. So maybe not everybody in their country was Ok for the idea to go to war, but at least they were.

Remember that the Japanese knew the industrial potential of the States but underestimated the will to avenge their early defeats. They thought after a serie of defeats the "lack of moral fibre" of the Americans (those cowards that surrendered rather than commit seppuku) will lead to their surrender.

In the game, you can see this when an Allied player gave up because he lost all his CVs and more in 1942. All he has to do is waiting for the next year and then come back. But some (most?) people will give up and surrender.

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RE: Stupid AI and a couple of questions - 2/10/2005 11:26:01 PM

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In the game, you can see this when an Allied player gave up because he lost all his CVs and more in 1942

That was exactly Japan's logic ... nice to see it works in the game too

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