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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 4:04:18 PM   
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go visit to the tulip fields near Amsterdam, visit Zaandam to see a “authentic” fishing village from the 18 century, complete with 20 windmills to pump out the water (yes it IS located 10 meters BELOW sea level). Go visit the museum in Amsterdam with contains the Night watch by Rembrandt (if you like THAT kind of culture).

I was going to suggest all of these things. The fishing village is especially good.

Antwerp is a great city to visit. The cathedral and the cafe-lined squares are wonderful. Belgian food and beer are the best anywhere in the world. Brussels also is excellent, and the Waterloo battlefield is right there. My wife and I spent a day there, and she loved it. There is an excellent visitors center there with an animated map simulation of the battle which she found to be fascinating; then when we climbed the lion's head (a tall artificial hill from which you can view the whole battlefield) she was pointing out to me where the chateaux were, where d'Erlon's attack was stopped, where the cavalry charges were, where the old guard attacked. She even wants to go back someday. She despises WitP, btw!

Women seem to always love Paris. By TGV it's about 90 minutes from Brussels, and that is from downtown to downtown....

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 4:12:26 PM   
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If your in the UK you could do the castles of North Wales, the scenery of the Lake District and between them both just across from Liverpool is

http://www.historicwarships.org/


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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 6:45:24 PM   
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Servus!

Of course you have to visit Austria.

Many castles, wonderful countryside, excellent wine and food, very nice people, tons of museums of every kind, art, music, mountains, lakes, rivers.....

This is no advertising of the Austrian tourist association, i swear.

http://www.hotel-gastgewerbe.info/Burgen2.htm
http://www.viaimperialis.at/members_english.php
http://www.hgm.or.at/eng/
http://info.wien.at/article.asp?IDArticle=9010
http://www.wachau.at/wachau/default.asp?id=4548

Just a few impressions. Enjoy.

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 6:53:09 PM   
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I would effort to be in Normandy June 6. Was there three years ago, crowds not that bad on anniversary years that don't end in 5 or 0. Though there should be a lot of Vets walking in the many parades. First there was the memorial service at the British cemetary outside of Bayeux, we then raced to Pegasus Bridge for the Veterans parade. At this parade only Vets who air landed in the assault are allowed to walk. Their numbers are dwindling and three years ago there were only about 20 men. Then off to the Montgomery park memorial/parade, there was a parade in the Canadian area and finally the largest gathering and parade at Arromanches. At all of these you have the opportunity to talk to some Vets, many are happy to to tell their stories. There will be a large amount of period vehicles in the area plus alot of French reinactors around pretending to be American troops, mostly 82nd and 101st. Mostly British Vets come over on June 6th. I'm told American Vets tend to come over during Memorial day....terry

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 7:36:29 PM   
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Here is something that you both may enjoy. Take a cruise on the Rhine from south to north. You will get to see places like where the Ludendorff bridge was as well as castles and enjoy the wine!

Maybe you could cruise down to see the Alps near Garmisch...take a trip into Switzerland and see the bunkers on the side of the road on your way to possibly skiing!

You have to eat at the Gasthauses along the way for dinner, lunch at the metzgerei or bakerei...like little delis....actual literal translation is meatery and bakery.

For the better half, maybe a trip to the crystal museum near Munich (could do this in conjunction with the trip to Switzerland).

I second the visiting of Verdun or at least some of the Maginot Forts.

I liked Sachsenhausen in Frankfurt! It is a fun place for nightlife.

Remember any German city with "....burg" has a castle in it.

I did find that France had some snobbish people in it despite my best attempts at speaking French or any other language besides English. Then again, my short haircut may have given me away back then. Not meaning to offend any of my French comrades here with that remark, just my experience.

The Costa Brava area of Spain is great for unwinding....topless beaches and Sangria bars on the beach as well....

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 8:05:42 PM   
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This community is awesome. Thanks for all the ideas. I will put them together and present them to the wife. All these suggestions are making our trip seem like it will much too short. I guess I had better plan on making a second trip at least.

Thanks again,
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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 8:47:19 PM   
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it's little bit off your rute, but you should not skip the Spain (especially southern Spain - Seville, Granada - great places for romantic honeymoon)

If you have enough time, but money is problem, you can fly with RyanAir low fare company. YOu can find all informations (IIRC they fly from London to Jerez (southern Spain) directly) on their web page. Also you can buy ticket only online - sooner are better (price).

Lonely planet travel books are excellent guides, and it is "must" for your journey.

Of course, you should not skip Croatia also, but leave it for next time!

here is just one photography from my idiot - it shows part of Alhambra (Granada)...




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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 8:54:35 PM   
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There are lots of great place and cities to visit.
The ones that I visited and I strongly suggest:
- London (great)
- Edinburgh (I fell in love with this city and its pubs )
- Amsterdam (I fell in love with its people and its coffeshops - keep your kids at the hotel when you'll visit the red light district )
- Copenaghen (I fell in love with its women!)
- Paris (One of the most beautiful city in the world. Period.)
- Venice (really charming)
- Rome (Lots of history: from 753 B.C. to modern days, S.Pietro, Musei Vaticani etc).
- Barcelona

But how could one forget Madrid, Wien, Prague, Berlin, Florence and so on? Each city in Europe is really unique.

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 8:55:57 PM   
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and here is fortress of Alhambra with strange and freaky guy in front of it




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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 9:00:45 PM   
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Ron,

There will be plenty of eating and uh... sleeping but can't do that 24x7. The wife is very understanding and as long as we see a few castles I get pretty much free reign in planning the rest of the trip. She is a small town girl who never flew on a plane before meeting me so trying to think of what to do in Europe is a bit daunting for her. The second time we go I expect it to be a different story...

Wolfpack


For a castle, take her to Warwick; nice castle and stately home in one with a bit of waxworks thrown in.

In London, don't miss the Imperial War Museum

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 9:46:41 PM   
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I am surprised nobody suggested some scandinavian locations. Cities to name were Stockholm or Copenhagen. Aweful countryside with the norwegian fjords, ...

As you plan to go to Dachau (I assume visiting the KZ) you are already in Munich.
While I wouldn't actually advise to go there, I guess you won't be allowed to return to the States if you haven't visited the Hofbräuhaus
As for Palaces in Bavaria, Link: Bavarian Palaces, obviously, Neuschwanstein is the first choice. In Munich, the Residence has some amazing exhibitions, e.g. porcelain or treasury. Another option would be the Chiemsee area.
Speaking of Munich, if time allows, the weather is fine and you want to take some time off, you might take a walk in the English Garden, supposed to be the biggest city park of the world. In there you find some fine Beer Gardens and, while the Chinese Tower is more famous, I'd suggest to take a Mass (1Liter) bavarian beer at the Seehaus.
Just found this one: Link: Munich in Wikitravel
If you are in Munich and the weather is bad, the Link: Deutsches Museum is a great location if you (and your wife) are technically interested, e.g. Link: Aerospace exhibition.

Oh, someone suggested Urhquart Castle at Loch Ness:




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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 9:49:23 PM   
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Frankfurt Am Main,go to Sachsenhausen across the river and PARTY!!!!
(Local bier is Henninger,real pisswater,so keep with Beck's or Lowenbrau)..
If you decide on any of these I have named,feel free to e-mail me,I will give details,I lived over there for 3 years and knew every alley.


If you want to have a REAL Party, go to Hamburg, St.Pauli. Sachsenhausen is kindergarden compared to this.

If you are coming to Berlin, you could stay a day or two in Hamburg, the train needs only 90 minutes from Berlin to Hamburg for the 250 miles.
We have the 2nd biggest harbour in Europe, a lovley Town and lots of tourists attractions, and some real good local small breweries.

http://international.hamburg.de/?ba=english

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 10:05:27 PM   
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Everybody is trying his (haven’t see a her on this tread yet) sales pitch on poor old Wolfpack.
come to me!, No to me, No here it is better..........

We have got the best beer!
we have got the best pot!
We have got the best castles!

we will get hem confused !! poor old yank !!


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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 10:25:29 PM   
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OK wild-willie

One last piece of confusing advise for Wolfpack!
If you are going to Normandy, sail from Portsmouth. Then you can spend a few days in my part of the world. Salisbury and its cathederal plus Old Sarum are very interesting, Stonehenge is a must and you can take in the Royal Armoured Corps museum at Bovington, the Army Air Corps museum at Middle Wallop, D Day Museum in Portsmouth as preparation for your liberation tour of Normandy
http://www.salisburycathedral.org.uk/
http://www.tankmuseum.co.uk/home.html
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp
http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/
http://www.historicdockyard.co.uk/welcome.html


After you have been to the sites you are targeting. I would definitly go South to the Meditereanean Cost. The Cote D;Azur in terrfic, the wife will love it and you can sneak into the French Artillery Museum in Draguinan in the beautiful Var region!

Wherever you go I'm sure you will have a great time

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 10:54:12 PM   
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The trains run almosty perfect schedules as well in Europe particularly in Germany if you need to get around. Then again, renting a Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini in Frankfurt and you could run the autobahns to your hearst content!

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 11:12:26 PM   
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I have little in the way of suggestions.. personally I like older buildings and less artsy stuff, but my wife...
but whatever you do hopefully you are digitally armed and take lots of cool pictures to share

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 2/28/2005 11:20:13 PM   
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Don't miss out on Amsterdam!!! Coolest place in Europe and beautiful too. You can rent a bike during the day, it is fun. Also night-life is very lively.
Lots of tulips in May too, I am sure... + Van Gogh musemum....

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 1:35:03 AM   
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This really depends on what you and your wife like. I was stationed with the USAF in England for three years and barely scratched the surface.

Here are some sites in England:
My main love is WWII aircraft so I spent a lot of time at the Duxford museum. (A great place to see aircraft being restored, my favorite was getting up close and personal with a ME163 Komet!) http://duxford.iwm.org.uk


If you are looking for a castle the one my wife and kids liked the best was Windsor.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page576.asp


The one I liked was Dover castle with the secret wartime tunnels.
http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/castles/dover%20castle.htm


You may want to join English Heritage. If you go to a lot of their sites it will save you a some money.
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 2:50:00 AM   
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I was stationed in Rota, Spain for 3 1/2 years and loved it there. Rota is near Cadiz on the Costa de la Luz. Right next to Rota is the town of Puerto de Santa Maria where Columbus set sail for the new world. There is a church there that has his original bible and the church's book of blessings has his request for blessing and signature. Pretty cool.

Seville is also excellent. Definately take a horse and buggy ride, beautiful city in the spring.

So many places to see in Europe, so little time! If you can, stay away from the stock tourist tours and mingle with the people. They are what make the place.

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 5:15:02 AM   
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As you can tell, there's more to see than you have time for. I guess one decision you've got to make is whether to blitz the continent and just see the surface, or concentrate on a smaller and experience more of the local culture. You're not going to be able to do Italy, Spain, and Germany in my mind - too much time lost on the road.

My ideas:
1. Definitely go to Omaha and whatever British beach was just to the east. There are a number of good museums in the area. Unlike most of Europe, the war is still very visible in Normandy with a number of pill boxes and bunkers still standing. Point du Hoc is worth seeing on the west of Omaha as is an emplacement just east of Omaha. The British beach still has a couple of the artificial water breaks out in the water (mulberries?). Unfortunately, the bluffs overlooking Omaha are overgrown with shrubs and trees, which makes visualizing the battle a little difficult. If you've got the time, read a detailed book on Omaha before you go so that you know exactly what happened at each of the draws. You can see Normandy in a day or two.

2. You should absolutely, positively visit at least two of the U.S. military cemeteries in Europe. Most are near highways so you aren't making a big detour, and they don't take more than an hour to see. As interesting as historical sites may be, the cemeteries make the war - and the cost of war - real. If your eyes don't tear everytime you go in one, you're missing the big picture. From recollection, one is at Omaha and an easy visit. The largest is on some highway in France near the German border. Patton is buried in one in Hamm, Luxembourg, right outside of Luxembourg City. It's powerful because Patton's marker is no different than anyone else's - just placed at the head of his troops. If you're interested, I think I have some information that I'd be glad to send you on the location of the various cemeteries - just send me a private e-mail. Believe me, nothing will affect you more than thousands of identical crosses and Stars of David in perfect geometric rows maintained in an immaculate setting and manned by Americans. The whiney French should be required to visit so they'll be reminded of the price America paid for freedom.

3. I was disappointed with the Ardennes. It's my favorite battle, but I didn't get much from traveling through the region other than acknowledging that it is beautiful. But if you're headed that way on your way to Germany, why not?

4. Verdun is worth seeing. Amazing how you can still see the affect of WWI at this battle site unlike so many WW II sites. And you drive right through it when going from Normandy to Germany - unless you go to Arnhem, I suppose.

5. I didn't get much from the Market/Garden area. Probably the funniest thing that happened to me was I was lost, stopped on a road in a big field with a highway off in the distance. I looked at the map and it hit me: I was in 1st Airborne's drop zone. But it still is just a big field that looks like any other. If you're familiar with the battle, it is probably worth finding some of the very small sites that are important. There was also, if I recall, and interesting German cemetery there somewhere.

6. Germany is where it's at! Forget Frankfurt - just a big, ugly city. The one thing I say you can't miss is the so-called Romantic Road. Starts at Neuschwanstein in the south and runs up some road to Wurzburg. Neuschwanstein is an absolute must. Might as well spend the night before in Garmisch, which is beautiful. Wake up in a gorgeous town literally at the base of the Alps and then make the quick drive to Neuschwanstein. The tour of Newschwanstein is simply breathtaking; when I become dictator of the world, that's where I'm going to live. Then head north. There's a series of beautiful towns like Rothenburg and Dinkelsbuhl that are two of the few genuinely authentic towns that didn't burn during the middle ages. The old walled town of Nordlingen. Augsburg is very historic as is the terminus at Wurzburg (which by the way is Franken wine country, though the wines aren't as renowned as other areas along the Rhine).

7. You might consider a Rhine River castle tour, too. Start at Rudesheim and go north to Cologne. Lots of very accessible castles to see. Rudesheim is a wine growing area, so you should be able to do some wine tasting there.

8. The old part of Nuremberg is worth seeing. The best route through the city to the old castle (on top of a hill with a great view of the city) is pedestrian only, so it's great. Regensburg is within about an hour and worth seeing. If you can make that far east, I'd say definitely see Dresden as well. Regardless, I'd get off the Autobahn occassionally and pick some dumpy road leading to nowhere to just drive on for half a day. It's the countryside that makes Europe so wonderful, and you won't experience it from the highway.

9. If you get up in the far north, I loved Lubeck. It's probably too far out of your way, but . . . My favorite spot is in one of the old churches. It was bombed by the British, and the church bells fell from the belfry far above, crashing to the stone floor, shattering the bells into several pieces, and putting a significant dent in the floor. They've maintained the bells and floor just as they fell as a kind of memorial to the war. Simple but powerful. Anyway, Lubeck was an old Hanseatic city, and there are a ton of old, charming buildings to see.

Heck, you can't go wrong. Just being there - anywhere - is enough. See the Alps in any country - they're beautiful. Italy? Fabulous and plenty to see. Amsterdam is beautiful, though the petty crime is, or at least was, disturbingly noticeable. Spain? Sure. Southern France and Paris? Uh huh. I'd pick Vienna over Munich for a day trip.

But my top two are (i) the military cemeteries and (ii) the Romantic Road.

Just remember that May can still be pretty cold, so pack some heavy clothes. And send me a postcard.

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 5:51:23 AM   
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I was in Belgium with my Air Guard unit in 1988 (Reforger). A freind and I rented a car for the weekend. Plan was to go to the two American cemeteries close to where our unit was flying out of then to Bastogne. When the caretaker of the Ardennes American Cemetery got wind of our plans he wouldn't let us leave until he gave us a map and itinary he made. It took us from the gate of his cemetery to Bastognes town square mostly on back roads and told what happened during the battle. If you want a copy let me know and I'll get it to you.

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Agree.

Definitely the Ardennes [especially in Spring-it's not crowded as it is in summer when many Europeans holiday there]. I went there with my wife some years ago - hired a car and just drove around through delightful villages and towns [with VERY familiar names!] and very romantic little inns and restaurants with marvellous food, particularly game. Castles, too! Went for four days -stayed two weeks. The Bulge battle was very much a road-bound campaign, so you can encounter all the relevant bits easily with a good history as your guidebook - I took Jean Luc Pallud's 'After the Battle' tome for this purpose - it also doubled as a wheel chock! And, GREAT people in that part of the world.

Three lingering impressions - chocolate, cherry beer [yes], and HOW FRIGGIN BIG IS THAT KING TIGER!

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 6:17:30 AM   
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Byron13's advice is not to be taken lightly. It is far too easy to get into a "If it's Tuesday, we must be in Belgium" mentality when visiting Europe. You apparently only have two weeks. I would suggest choosing no more than three or four major cities that are within a reasonable travel time of each other and concentrating on these.

Another tidbit is that most of the WW2 battlesites are out in the country (I guess that the city land was too valuable, so it was rebuilt but in the country they could afford to leave monuments), so you will need to rent a car to visit them on your own.

Sometimes you find little things that surprise you. I was cycling south from Amsterdam towards the Ardennes, heading through the Market Garden battlefield. I was using a bike path which lay to the side of the highway through Son, when I realized what I was riding on. This bike path was on the outside of the line of trees next to the highway. Do you guys remember seeing the photos of the British armor having to make a new path outside the trees because the Germans had blown every tree across the road? Well, the pragmatic Nederlanders turned this path into a paved bike path. How cool!

I was also cycling from Dover back towards London, taking backroads when I ran across a small sign "BOB Museum". This turned out to be Hawkinge Aerodrome, one of the forward sattelite airfields from which the RAF fighters flew. They had only three planes on display, a Spit, a Hurricane and a crashed Me109. Had I taken a more direct route towards London I would never have seen this museum.

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 4:36:21 PM   
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For the benefit of all, here is the website for the American Battle Monuments Commission, which maintains the U.S. military cemeteries throughout the world. If you get to France, you've got no excuses; take two hours out of your day and pay your respects.

http://www.abmc.gov

http://www.abmc.gov

Looks like I've provided two links - just to make sure, I guess. You know, I think my problem with the Ardennes is that you typically see it in the summer, and it is hard to reconcile a peaceful vista with farmers putting around on tractors with the photographs we've all seen of the snow and mud that played such a large role. The juxtaposition was too much for me.

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RE: OT - Going to Europe in May What should I see? - 3/1/2005 5:11:36 PM   
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Definitely going to the DDay beaches,Arnhem/Nijmegan and Dachau/Berchtesgarten.

This will be our first time in Europe so I am looking for other ideas.

Thanks in advance...


The Hartenstein Airborne museum in Oosterbeek (If you forget Johnny Frost, the battle was basically fought in and around Oosterbeek, not much to see in Arnhem itself) is not that big, spended about 3-4 hours in it and in the midday took part in a "perimeter" walk with a guide from the museum . But afaik there are no battlefield tours/walkings with the museum guides in the middays in may.

The Arnhem Oosterbeek war cemetry (CW and polish forces) is 1-2 km NE from the museum. No german cemetry here, most of the germans in the Netherlands rest (31000+) in Ysselstein, which is quit far from Arnhem.

Couple of hundred metres S of Hartenstein there is the Oosterbeek (Lonsdale & 1st AL light Rgt RA positions) old church. If take the right route with your car you will basically follow the E part of the perimeter: the crossroads, the Tafelberg hotel (believe only the front is still standing) etc
From the church you have a nice visual on the Arnhem bridges couple of kilometers to the east, 200 meters S of the church there is the lower rhine with Driel and the polish dropzones on the other side. If you walk west along the small path you have nice view on heights of the Westerbouwing and Driel to south. Kate Ter Horst's house is also there and the church is not far from where Opertion 'Berlin'took place.

Good news for your wife that 4 km west of Oosterbeek, near Heveadorp and the Rhine (5 a 10 minutes drive from the Airborne Museum) there is Castle Doorwerth. Maybe you can combine this on a day trip.

http://www.kasteleningelderland.nl/Kastelen/doorwerth.htm
http://www.kas-en-roos.nl/doorwerth.html


Skip Nijmegen, not worth the time if you are going there for Market Garden (not much to see there).
Certainly don't skip Normandy, Verdun or Ieper for WWI.

< Message edited by Grouchy -- 3/1/2005 4:20:22 PM >


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