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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:02:32 PM   
Gen.Hoepner


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800 highly experienced fighters!?!?!

Damn.. I could only gather about 150 tonies and Tojos into one place vs Andy, and they were usually at 50-60 exp due to constant attrition, and I had to leave other areas open..





They are all in their 80s because he didn't engage them for 6 months and they kept training....but are useless agains those hordes of experienced 4Es...:-(

and above all...a 36 planes sentai with 80 exp, after one encounter with 400 4Es ends up with 65 exp at best.....

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:23:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).



are you quite sure on that? I was under the impression that it is more like 4-3k

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:25:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: String

800 highly experienced fighters!?!?!

Damn.. I could only gather about 150 tonies and Tojos into one place vs Andy, and they were usually at 50-60 exp due to constant attrition, and I had to leave other areas open..





They are all in their 80s because he didn't engage them for 6 months and they kept training....but are useless agains those hordes of experienced 4Es...:-(

and above all...a 36 planes sentai with 80 exp, after one encounter with 400 4Es ends up with 65 exp at best.....



80 exp?

by gods, use them! start putting small recon squadrons in all of your airbases.. and a few turns later concentrate 5-600 of them into a single base. See 4e bombers fall from sky!

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:44:41 PM   
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For all sorts of reasons. Too many heavy bombers. Too many Tonies.

That said the replacement rate for 4E bombers isnt that good. I know in my game against Simon Prior a bad spell shot down a lot of my Fortresses and Liberators and I had to use them only over safe bases for a while.

...that changed when Lightnings showed up. Lightning = badass.

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:56:45 PM   
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String: i've tried to use them for 6 months! To fight 400Es escorted by higly experienced p-38s ( and i mean with pilots in their 80s!!!) i'd need 1000 of my fighters in a single base...and then? who's gonna fight the other 1,600 4Es in other theatres?That's why i'm retreating towards PI...there i'll have plenty of mutual supporting AFs, full of Eng, supplies and aviation support...and, above all...i'll be able to use in a more flexible way my defences...

And remember that now he has corsairs....

Anyway...we''ll soon see at Hanoi what's gonna happen. I have there 350 fighters ( with exp starting from 75!). A6M3s, Jacks,Tonies and Tojos...and probably i'll move in in the next days also a Nick Sentais....
Let's see how these guys will handle the allied masses....

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 9:59:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: String


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).



are you quite sure on that? I was under the impression that it is more like 4-3k


Japan has 674 manpower. That's 6740 resources a day alone. There is also just under 9100 HI, so there's another 9100 resources used per day. That's almost 16k per day.

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 10:10:33 PM   
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by gods, use them! start putting small recon squadrons in all of your airbases.. and a few turns later concentrate 5-600 of them into a single base. See 4e bombers fall from sky!


Won't work. A base with some Jap planes will have a light red aircraft, one with 500 fighters a bright red. May work if your opponent said he will go out and you hope he will come back and play a turn drunk

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RE: Unplayable - 12/5/2005 10:43:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli


quote:

ORIGINAL: String


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Japan proper produces about 50% of the resource requirements for Japan (including resource requirements for manpower). The daily resource need (assuming no HI increase) is slightly less than 16k and daily production is just over 8k.

Edit: China produces about 500 excess resources per day (not counting any captured bases).



are you quite sure on that? I was under the impression that it is more like 4-3k


Japan has 674 manpower. That's 6740 resources a day alone. There is also just under 9100 HI, so there's another 9100 resources used per day. That's almost 16k per day.



Actually, MP doesn't use resources constantly, only when MP points are required to be produced. I had a huge excess of them in pool.

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Another Disaster.. - 12/7/2005 8:42:41 PM   
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Another day of war. Another day of disasters...

After the incredible raid of yesterday....today his 4Es attacked and sunk many ships that were trying to move back the rests of my Northern Oz Air Force.....1 Tony Sentai LOST forever. One Sally Sentai LOST forever. One Emily chutai LOST forever....and tomorrow will surely be even worse

Every day it gets worse....
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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 7
B-24D Liberator x 40


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Sinko Maru, Bomb hits 1
AK Tekkai Maru
AK Yamakaze Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Fukuei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Zuiko Maru
AK Teibo Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sanyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Nittei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Shinamogawa Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 6
B-17E Fortress x 22
B-24D Liberator x 37


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Kakuzan Maru, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yamasimo Maru, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yamagiri Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yuri Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Buin at 64,95


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Toei Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet



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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/7/2005 8:59:06 PM   
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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/8/2005 1:25:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arstavidios

I think units sunk on transports come back later as reinforcements..



Doesn't really matters...they come back however with pilots with exp level of 30-_-''...so better not to have them at all!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/23/43

Another horrible day. Everywhere the allies are breaking my *ss. 10 more ships sunk today both at Bouganville and at Darwin...full of supplies and planes...it's so depressing.
The skies, from Bankok to Tarawa, passing by Darwin, PM and Shortland, are full of allied planes....it's an incredible power!!!!

Do you remember "A bridge too far"?..the movie i mean....when Bittrich sees the parashutes of the 1st UK Aribrone Div of Gen. Hurquart?...D'u remember what he says?..." If only i could have such a great force......"......

I agree...IF only...



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Night Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
CW-21B Demon x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 21
I-153c x 18


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
8 x CW-21B Demon bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Boomerang II bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-40B Tomahawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Tsuyung , at 37,31


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 12
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Kittyhawk I bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Pago Pago , at 96,113


Allied aircraft
P-70A Havoc x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-70A Havoc bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 54,93


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 2
B-17E Fortress x 60


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 87

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
21 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Darwin , at 36,84

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 15
B-24D Liberator x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 4 destroyed


Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 51

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wyndham , at 30,85


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 23


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x P-38G Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 96,113


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 204
Kittyhawk I x 27
P-36A Mohawk x 288
P-39D Airacobra x 66
P-40E Warhawk x 20


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 167

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 129th IJA Base Force, at 29,38


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 16
B-25J Mitchell x 43


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 33rd/A Division, at 31,37


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 70


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF, near Shortlands at 64,96

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 13

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
TK Nanei Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nanumea , at 84,103


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 14
Kittyhawk I x 9


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 96,113


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 136
TBF Avenger x 85
A-24 Dauntless x 14


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 84

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Day Air attack on TF, near Darwin at 36,84


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 26
B-17E Fortress x 21
B-24D Liberator x 110


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Yamakaze Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sanyo Maru, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
AK Nittei Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AK Teibo Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AK Yamagiri Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AK Fukuei Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Buin at 64,95


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 4
B-25J Mitchell x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Toei Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet






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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/9/2005 8:37:35 AM   
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Another week has passed. The Yanks have conquered Darwin, destroying what remained of the volounteers group of the 18th Mix Bde....6,000 men...6000 brave soldiers who probably have saved thousands of their comrades by an unglorius death.

Now the yankees are unloaded at Port Moresby. 2 Divisions....i guess that for tomorrow the base will be in their hands. My mines disabled some DDs and few APs..but nothing serious from what i can get from the reports.

Lunga gained level 5....so 4Es will soon destroy everything in their range. Bouganvilla has already been evacuated. Shortland has only one little base force. Rabaul will be emptied in the next 3 days. Then Kavieng, Wewak etc...

He put his dark feet in Malaya: Georgetown captured...soon my oil/res centers will be destroyed. I've already shut down most of my industry and i'm trying to save everything for the last great battle!

He did not engage Hanoi...as always, when he sees enough Jap forces he goes away-_-''...he's using his heaviests in Burma to attack my troops that are defending the Bankok's border....

In China we took another smashing victory! Lanchow fell with 100,000 chinese...now we're moving to the next stronghold: Sining!
BANZAIIII



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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/9/2005 1:58:09 PM   
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My mines are doing a fair job, but nothing that can stop the allied steamroller!
Now the Tommies are spreading like a mortal desease in Malaya and today they started to invade Sumatra.
At PM they landed a Huge force that surely will conquer the base easily, with the support of 4 BBs, several CAs and hundreds of 4Es that level the place.


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TF 1006 encounters mine field at Port Moresby (54,93)

TF 1006 troops unloading over beach at Port Moresby, 54,93


Allied Ships
MSW Sheldrake
MSW Pursuit
MSW Lithgow
MSW Bowen
APD Stringham
APD Little
AP Dardanus, Mine hits 1, on fire
APD McKean
DD McCalla
AP Esperance Bay, Mine hits 1, on fire
AP George F. Elliot, Mine hits 1, on fire
AP Pijnacker Hordijk, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Coastal Guns at Port Moresby, 54,93, firing at TF 1006

Allied ground losses:
802 casualties reported


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TF 1006 encounters mine field at Port Moresby (54,93)

TF 1006 troops unloading over beach at Port Moresby, 54,93


Allied Ships
MSW Sheldrake
MSW Pursuit
MSW Lithgow
MSW Bowen
APD Stringham
APD Little
DD McCalla
AP Pijnacker Hordijk, Mine hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
APD McKean


Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported

Coastal Guns at Port Moresby, 54,93, firing at TF 1006
23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
628 casualties reported






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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/9/2005 2:25:58 PM   
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I hope it doesn't but I think the steamroller is moving and it won't be stopped now

Best of luck with it though

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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/9/2005 2:53:01 PM   
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I'm sorry Gen but I really do think this tactic of retreat will lead to an early collapse.

I hope it doesn't but I think the steamroller is moving and it won't be stopped now

Best of luck with it though



I'm starting to think you( and those who have been telling me the same in the last days) are right speedy. However now it's too late for going back. Let's see if i can hurt him somehow in the next weeks....

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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/9/2005 4:59:37 PM   
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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/10/2005 1:12:11 AM   
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PM was captured.
Malaya and Sumatra will soon be in allied's hands.

In 3/4 months the REAL battle will begin!

BANZAI!


( i know it's very boring nowdays...and i'm sorry for that)

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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/10/2005 1:22:40 AM   
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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/10/2005 1:38:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll attack in force as soon as he lands in the PI,Palau,Truk or Mariannas. I won't defend anything beyond these strongpoints

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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/13/2005 10:33:10 PM   
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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/29/2005 8:01:03 AM   
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Is your game on hold? Or have you guys decided to set it aside?

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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/29/2005 1:58:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Max had some problems in RL before Christmas. Now he's back and we started again. I've been in and out for some holydays, but by the beginning of Jan we'll be again on our usual pace.



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RE: Another Disaster.. - 12/29/2005 10:29:35 PM   
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Looking forward to reading your AARs again. Hope everything has worked out for Max.

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Dedicated to those who still believe.... - 1/7/2006 2:27:39 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/26/43

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Day Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 23
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 128

Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 6
Wellington III x 93
P-38G Lightning x 48
B-17E Fortress x 96

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 3 destroyed, 15 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 9 destroyed, 18 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 6 destroyed, 15 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 39 destroyed, 51 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 2 destroyed
Wellington III: 58 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 48 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 28 destroyed, 40 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
137 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Wellington III bombing at 14000 feet
1 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 9000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
16 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
1 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 14000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
1 x Wellington III bombing at 9000 feet
1 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 14000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
1 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 9000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 10
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 48

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 81
P-38G Lightning x 72
LB-30 Liberator x 48
B-24D Liberator x 186
IL-4c x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 9 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 20 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 9 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 80 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 6 destroyed, 17 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 19 destroyed, 16 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 9 destroyed, 30 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
809 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Airbase hits 54
Airbase supply hits 17
Runway hits 345

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
12 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Liberator VI bombing at 20000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 25000 feet
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 20000 feet
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
27 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
10 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
36 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
17 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 20000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 25000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 20000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 28000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
8 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 20000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 25000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 20000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 28000 feet
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 25000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Hanoi was defended by THE BEST AIR FORCE i could master!
Every single air group was above 80 exp.
The best fighters available ( as you can see).
2 Air HQs; 500 Air Support; 400 Engeneers

Results? Base closed ( 100 dmg Runaway, 100 Air facilities), fighter groups depleted and destroyed and skies over Indochina full of allied planes.

Is there a way to fight the allies in 1943? I don't see how....

With 2 waves he managed to destroy the best air force i could master.....DEPRESSING




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RE: Dedicated to those who still believe.... - 1/7/2006 2:46:49 PM   
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quote:

Is there a way to fight the allies in 1943? I don't see how....


What I do is fight by mostly NOT fighting. I have gotten 2 games to 43 and 1 to 44 ... and the pattern is the same ... be very selective in your fighting. Deny the big jumps ( as long as you can ) but yeild without fighting in the air ... those things that cannot be defended. So as soon as the P38s strike a place - pull out. Now I operate recon and transports forward of this area .. but not fighters or bombers ... But in SEA once he breaks through to Bankok he can send some guys towards Singapore and others towards Siagon/Hanoi and then you are toast. He can then take out all of SEA and then Palembang .. then you are living on fumes. It you have 1 million plus of oil and resources at this point and also 1 million plus heavy industry ... I'd say you can hold out for about 6 months .. but you have to cut back all production other than the best air and some supply. No more boats ( ok maybe a DD or 2 ).
I have been able to make people "pay" during their ampibs ... by saturating the area with LBA, carriers and surface units right after a landing goes in ... I can usually get in a good bit of damage when they are most vulnerable. But once the level 4 pops up with 100 P38s ... then outta there and pull back out of range and rebuild for the next one. At least I think I can limit advance to 5 hexes per attack ( whereas if I lose the fleet or the Frances/Zero force ) then I can't even limit the pace of advance.
I launched attack with 1000 Frances/Zero and got 2 Torp hits and 1 Kamikaze hit and lost 500 planes. This is about as good as it gets in 44 ...
In '43 I sank several BB and Carriers ( and piles of merchantment ) during landings ... so .. you can't fight .. but no you can't win ...
it is all about delay ... how long can you hold out ?



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RE: Dedicated to those who still believe.... - 1/7/2006 3:06:18 PM   
invernomuto


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From: Turin, Italy
Status: offline 		Hi, General,
If I were in you, I would simply stop playing. This game is totally unbalanced. I do not know if it is PDUs, replacement rate, overstaking or simply bad design, it is simply impossible to continue. You did much better than history, you have experienced pilots and the best aircrafts avaliable, but still in early 1943 Allies are unstoppable and could close your best defended A/F with one sortie.


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RE: Dedicated to those who still believe.... - 1/7/2006 4:13:00 PM   
Gen.Hoepner


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Status: offline 		i'll keep on playing. MC deserves his victories after 8 months of gameplay. It's quite boring cause there's really nothing i can do, but what has begun needs to be finished.



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RE: Dedicated to those who still believe.... - 1/7/2006 5:22:18 PM   
Fishbed

 

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From: Beijing, China - Paris, France
Status: offline 		But cant you add at least some additionnal houserules? About the use of the heavies for instance? Im with invernomuto on this point, it is particularly frustrating for anyone who is following your AAR to see you destroyed in such a silly way. I mean, we all now WiP is not historical, but this game has turned into something like a joke, and I can't believe MC is really happy to win playing this way... is he?

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RE: Dedicated to those who still believe.... - 1/7/2006 6:37:00 PM   
jwilkerson


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Joined: 9/15/2002
From: Kansas
Status: offline 		My opponents all seem to have the "illusion" that I can do something. So I call it "smoke and mirrors" ... about all we can do is feed the "smoke and mirrors" illusion, that we can do something. Keep training your pilots, repairing your ships, building your defenses in the rear areas, hauling your items around and looking for opportunities to "test" the enemy. It has little to do with PDU on .. I play with it off in all my games, might be why GH's game in 1943 seems to feel about like mine in 1944 .. but you get to the same place which ever path you choose. It is the air model which allows "uber air battles" ... primarily ... and secondarily the "uber bombardments" and no protection for any supply ... opponents can bomb or bombard your supply down to zero in a hex very quickly and then attack. No defense is really possible under those circumstances. No "Okinawas" in this game !







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