This is a "board" game?

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

This is a "board" game?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Lock ‘n Load: Heroes of Stalingrad >> This is a "board" game?

Page: [1] 2 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

This is a "board" game? - 4/12/2005 9:28:27 PM

Capt Cliff

Posts: 1791
Joined: 5/22/2002
From: Northwest, USA
Status: offline

Why? Who plays board games anymore? Best dust off my copy of 1914 and have at it!

_____________________________

Capt. Cliff

Post #: 1

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/13/2005 1:16:28 AM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

Have you checked out Lock n Load?

Seeing is believing. I believe many games where sold and believe it or not there is still a market for boardgames. I'd buy it if I had someone to play agaimst and the time.

Like Ive said before this is a fantastic addition to Matrix and a fether in their cap.

(in reply to Capt Cliff)

Post #: 2

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/13/2005 4:59:43 AM

AlvinS

Posts: 665
Joined: 12/2/2000
From: O'Fallon, Missouri
Status: offline

Lock N Load is a beautiful game, and if you cannot find an opponent, you can play it online with VASSAL. There are usually plenty of people to play.

_____________________________

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ---Mark Twain

Naval Warfare Simulations

AlvinS

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 3

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/13/2005 7:24:06 AM

Fred98

Posts: 4430
Joined: 1/5/2001
From: Wollondilly, Sydney
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin
I'd buy it if I had someone to play against and the time.

Me too but there isn’t and I don’t either. Bring on the computer version.

quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin
Like I said before this is a fantastic addition to Matrix and a feather in their cap.

It sure is. And it implies 82nd Airborne is vapourware
-

_____________________________

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 4

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/13/2005 1:32:59 PM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

Joe,

82nd is an individual soldier game this is a squad based game similar to squad battles and ASL.

(in reply to Fred98)

Post #: 5

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/13/2005 9:30:58 PM

Capt Cliff

Posts: 1791
Joined: 5/22/2002
From: Northwest, USA
Status: offline

Still a board game ... hassle to set-up, hassle to keep up and hassle to play! Sorry I am a computer game oriented gamer now. Used to play 1914 (1969), Blizkrieg, TSS, orginal SL, Wach Am Rhien, Just sold War in Europe (unpunched), La Battel La Moskava or Borodino (the original monster game) and on and on!

_____________________________

Capt. Cliff

(in reply to Capt Cliff)

Post #: 6

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/13/2005 11:54:47 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

hassle to set-up

Hi Capt'n,

Now I know I'm not really going to change your mind, but...

Fully half of the scenaris I've designed for LnL can be set up in less than five minutes. Many of them can be played in 45 minutes. I know a little bit about computer games, as a matter of fact I know a LARGE bit about computer games, and I think I've incorperated much of the good of them into LnL --good-looking graphics, easy set up, easily learned rules, surprise, changing victory conditions.

On top of all that you don't need an opponent across the street. With VLnL you can play anyone in the world, right now, using the full spendor of the game's graphics. Think I'm exaggerating? Download the demo and see.

Best,
Mark

(in reply to Capt Cliff)

Post #: 7

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/14/2005 12:00:24 AM

benpark

Posts: 3884
Joined: 8/12/2002
Status: offline

I am getting this board game (even though I have no room/time/opponents).

I would also really love to see a computr version-as straight a port in terms of the way the game looks and plays-but with an AI to play against, and a scenario editor (I can day dream, can't I?).

_____________________________

"Fear is a darkroom where the devil develops his negatives" Gary Busey

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 8

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/14/2005 1:56:25 AM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: benpark

I am getting this board game (even though I have no room/time/opponents).

I would also really love to see a computr version-as straight a port in terms of the way the game looks and plays-but with an AI to play against, and a scenario editor (I can day dream, can't I?).

Fully agree.
I always go and hve a look at the lock n load site just to look at the counters.

I too might buy it even though it will never get played.

I will sit and dream about it and a PC conversion.

Maybe a petition should be set up for who wants a straight conversion.

(in reply to benpark)

Post #: 9

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/14/2005 3:13:28 AM

Erik Rutins

Posts: 37503
Joined: 3/28/2000
From: Vermont, USA
Status: offline

The Vassal conversion of Lock 'n Load means that those who know the game can play across the internet as easily as at a table. Those who would like to see this on a computer, you need to give that a try once Band of Heroes is out. It really makes board gaming over the internet easy.

Regards,

- Erik

_____________________________

Erik Rutins
CEO, Matrix Games LLC

For official support, please use our Help Desk: http://www.matrixgames.com/helpdesk/

Freedom is not Free.

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 10

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/14/2005 1:02:19 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

straight conversion

As Joe Elliot say... "You betcha." You will never see some lame-ass interpretation of the game like Microprose did to Squad Leader. The computer version of LnL will feature the same beautiful art, interactive impulse system, more events (they are easier in a compter game), and a campaign. Still the same combat resolution, damage checks, etc, etc. It will rock! One day...

(in reply to Erik Rutins)

Post #: 11

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/14/2005 8:42:54 PM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: markhwalker

quote:

straight conversion

As Joe Elliot say... "You betcha." You will never see some lame-ass interpretation of the game like Microprose did to Squad Leader. The computer version of LnL will feature the same beautiful art, interactive impulse system, more events (they are easier in a compter game), and a campaign. Still the same combat resolution, damage checks, etc, etc. It will rock! One day...

Mark you have my mouth watering!

That would be the game to beat in my opinion.

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 12

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/14/2005 9:03:41 PM

Capt Cliff

Posts: 1791
Joined: 5/22/2002
From: Northwest, USA
Status: offline

Computer version , (ears perking up), did you say computer version. Hmmmm Gotta keep an eye on this puppy then!

_____________________________

Capt. Cliff

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 13

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/15/2005 12:39:11 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

Computer version , (ears perking up), did you say computer version. Hmmmm Gotta keep an eye on this puppy then

LOL... I also said "One day." I'm busy with BoH right now.

Best,
Mark

(in reply to Capt Cliff)

Post #: 14

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/15/2005 1:31:30 PM

Trigger Happy

Posts: 819
Joined: 3/22/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: markhwalker

quote:

straight conversion

As Joe Elliot say... "You betcha." You will never see some lame-ass interpretation of the game like Microprose did to Squad Leader. The computer version of LnL will feature the same beautiful art, interactive impulse system, more events (they are easier in a compter game), and a campaign. Still the same combat resolution, damage checks, etc, etc. It will rock! [SNIP... ;)]

A BOMB has been dropped!!! Start the rumor mill.

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 15

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/15/2005 2:10:30 PM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

I have a feeling this forum will just be about a PC conversion rather than the actaul game being produced.

Maybe a new sticky thread about a conversion should go up so it keeps it separate from the actual boardgame threads.

(in reply to Trigger Happy)

Post #: 16

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/16/2005 5:53:23 AM

ravinhood

Posts: 3891
Joined: 10/23/2003
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

The Vassal conversion of Lock 'n Load means that those who know the game can play across the internet as easily as at a table. Those who would like to see this on a computer, you need to give that a try once Band of Heroes is out. It really makes board gaming over the internet easy.

Regards,

- Erik

No thank you, I want a "computer version" of this an all others and a good PBEM feature, I too would rather have it on computer than a board wargame. They are ancient history, except for "Squad Leader" hehe It's the only one I will still play someone face to face. ;)

So Matrixgames get off your laurels and start working on a computer version of this game, the graphics of it are really nice as far as I'm concerned. Get to work now, computer version, all in favor say "EYE"! ;)

(in reply to Erik Rutins)

Post #: 17

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/17/2005 12:58:26 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

EYE!

That said, you are way wrong about board games and anciant history. The board game side of the war and strategy game industry waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay oustells the computer game side. Stuff like HeroScape, Warhamer 40K, Settlers of Catan, Memoir '44, and many others outsell everything but big titles like World at War.

But of course, I'm sure ClnL would cange all that.

And a separate forum? Nah, that's way to organized. I host everything from Formula One to Viginia Tech football forums on the LnL site. You guys want to talk? Talk. Let's have fun.

Best,
Mark

(in reply to ravinhood)

Post #: 18

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/17/2005 3:10:20 PM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

nevermind

< Message edited by wodin -- 4/17/2005 3:12:30 PM >

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 19

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/18/2005 5:45:54 AM

benpark

Posts: 3884
Joined: 8/12/2002
Status: offline

Mark, I like yer attitude.

_____________________________

"Fear is a darkroom where the devil develops his negatives" Gary Busey

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 20

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/18/2005 12:13:03 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

I'm a big Gary Busey fan too. Loved the Buddy Holly movie.

Best,
Mark

(in reply to benpark)

Post #: 21

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/19/2005 10:46:26 AM

Zap

Posts: 3639
Joined: 12/6/2004
From: LAS VEGAS TAKE A CHANCE
Status: offline

Great for those that still have the time for set-up (I know, you said, your game is quick to set-up) and room to set-up. I still would have to vacuum the dust off the pieces as the dust gathers. When you finish a computer game you make a few clicks the game goes to its file. With a boardgame you still have to clean up after.I have not heard of the titles you mentioned, thats how far removed I am from the Boardgame era.

I've played my share of board games (and I've been around a few years) butI can't see myself playing another one. Boardgames are ancient history for me! The computer makes gaming much more enjoyable.

I do like your determination for a aquality game, though. I hope you have success and it will be good for those few who still play war boardgames. I will wait for a good game (squad level) on the computer.

_____________________________

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 22

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/19/2005 11:14:52 AM

ravinhood

Posts: 3891
Joined: 10/23/2003
Status: offline

quote:

Stuff like HeroScape, Warhamer 40K, Settlers of Catan, Memoir '44, and many others outsell everything but big titles like World at War.

Those aren't "wargames", those are "kiddie wannabe a wargamer" type of board wannabe wargames. hehe

Wargames were made by Avalon Hill and SPI and GDW. and Strategy & Tactics and Fire & Movement. ;) (Oh I bet I get some elitist fire outta this post) ;)

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 23

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/19/2005 12:40:04 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

Hey gauys!

No elitist reply here, but you guys are perhaps a bit out of touch with what's going on in the war and strategy game hobby. For openers, it's not "kiddie wanna be" on two counts: Count One... they are let-the-family-play-something-together-rather-than suck-on-the-glass-teat games... although Settlers of Cataan doesn't fit into this category... neither does Streets of Stalingrad, which has sold over 5,000 units at 150$ a pop! and WH40K... have you ever played a game? Count Two... none of the companies that you mention exist in the form you knew in the 70s. The names in wargaming are GMT, Avalanche, L2, MMP, Games Workshop, Wizards of the Coast.

But hey, if you all prefer computer games that's completely cool by me. I'm not exactly naive in the computer game sector of the hobby (I've written over 40 computer game related books, regular colomnist at PCGamer, Armchair General, here at The Wargamer) myself, but folks need to understand that board games aren't some dusty hobby from the Seventies, but rather a thriving, booming industry that is being rediscovered buy thousands of gamers who are tired of spending their time at a monitor (although that can be fun too). Lock 'n Load has no more in common with stuff like Avalon Hill's 1914 than a Audie R8 ALMS has with your family sedan.

That said, CLnL will also rock... and may be much closer than anyone has imagined.

Best,
Mark

(in reply to ravinhood)

Post #: 24

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/19/2005 2:20:46 PM

Marc von Martial

Posts: 10875
Joined: 1/4/2001
From: Bonn, Germany
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: markhwalker

Hey gauys!

No elitist reply here, but you guys are perhaps a bit out of touch with what's going on in the war and strategy game hobby. For openers, it's not "kiddie wanna be" on two counts: Count One... they are let-the-family-play-something-together-rather-than suck-on-the-glass-teat games... although Settlers of Cataan doesn't fit into this category... neither does Streets of Stalingrad, which has sold over 5,000 units at 150$ a pop! and WH40K... have you ever played a game? Count Two... none of the companies that you mention exist in the form you knew in the 70s. The names in wargaming are GMT, Avalanche, L2, MMP, Games Workshop, Wizards of the Coast.

But hey, if you all prefer computer games that's completely cool by me. I'm not exactly naive in the computer game sector of the hobby (I've written over 40 computer game related books, regular colomnist at PCGamer, Armchair General, here at The Wargamer) myself, but folks need to understand that board games aren't some dusty hobby from the Seventies, but rather a thriving, booming industry that is being rediscovered buy thousands of gamers who are tired of spending their time at a monitor (although that can be fun too). Lock 'n Load has no more in common with stuff like Avalon Hill's 1914 than a Audie R8 ALMS has with your family sedan.

That said, CLnL will also rock... and may be much closer than anyone has imagined.

_____________________________

Marc von Martial
instagram stream

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 25

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/20/2005 3:33:25 AM

Zap

Posts: 3639
Joined: 12/6/2004
From: LAS VEGAS TAKE A CHANCE
Status: offline

quote:

a bit out of touch with what's going on in the war and strategy

I'll agree with you there. My perspective is from an wargamer that did not play wargames that would interest the lets-play-together-as-a-family. Although from my perspective my brothers did not realize all the fun they were missing. And so I was limited to playing alone 90% of the time.

Perhaps, I belong to that smaller group of strategy wargamer. Those games you mentioned would not interest most of us. The increase you talk about are those people who have come from playing cliclk-fest games or if you want to be politically correct "those less involved games". But please don't misunderstand me (I at least) don't look down upon them. In fact, I hope that some of these will come to be interested in the" more involved games."

Could I be right in stating that the group of people you talk about. Are probally those who will loose interest quickly and not be prone to come back and buy game after game till your 50 years old (like myself).
Though I can understand the wargaming industry hopes set on those larger numbers of the "less-involved-game"player.

If, your wargame becomes the reason for some of the people who fit into the "less-involved-wargamer" pack to stick around that can only be a positive.

I believe there are some of my kind in this Matrix community Forum. But I was only commenting on my own dissapointment.

For myself who work many hours and have little contact with gamers(I know of none in my vicinity). My only link is through the internent and computer. I have a chance to meet others (if only through e-mail) and have the possibility of playing with another human being. That is just the nature of things for those of us that play the level of game I do. The computer has become a necessity for us.

For those thousands of lucky gamers (you spoke of). Who have the luxury of leaving the computer and finding enough people to play with, they truly are the lucky ones but I have yet the pleasure of meeting one in person. So that I too, can enjoy the one on one gameplay

You even have a provision for (Vassel play) for your boardgame. That is two people (or more) who are playing a boardgame then use a computer to make contact in order to play the game because they are not present to each other physically.

Is'nt that an admission that there are not always going to be the vast number of players to make the boardgame work?

I try not to be disrespectful in my post of anyone but my reply was to reflect a certain(small if you will) movemnt in the market towards squad level game for the computer.

I can be patient for something to come along that fits my needs.

_____________________________

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 26

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/20/2005 9:43:06 AM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zap

For myself who work many hours and have little contact with gamers(I know of none in my vicinity). My only link is through the internent and computer. I have a chance to meet others (if only through e-mail) and have the possibility of playing with another human being. That is just the nature of things for those of us that play the level of game I do. The computer has become a necessity for us.

For those thousands of lucky gamers (you spoke of). Who have the luxury of leaving the computer and finding enough people to play with, they truly are the lucky ones but I have yet the pleasure of meeting one in person. So that I too, can enjoy the one on one gameplay

You even have a provision for (Vassel play) for your boardgame. That is two people (or more) who are playing a boardgame then use a computer to make contact in order to play the game because they are not present to each other physically.

I have the same problem

(in reply to Zap)

Post #: 27

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/20/2005 6:18:07 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

Zap... no disrespect taken. I enjoy hearing all these opinions.

Click fest... not really sure they still make those games. Real-time strategy has moved on from the days of Command & Conquer.

Stay tuned.

Best,
Mark

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 28

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/21/2005 12:32:55 AM

wodin

Posts: 10762
Joined: 4/20/2003
From: England
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: markhwalker

Zap... no disrespect taken. I enjoy hearing all these opinions.

Click fest... not really sure they still make those games. Real-time strategy has moved on from the days of Command & Conquer.

Stay tuned.

Best,
Mark

Mark.......they are out there in bucket loads. Only two games I can think of that arent. HTTR and the Close Combat series. Funny how such a golden oldie seemed to get it right first time and ever since then its been downhill all the way.

(in reply to markhwalker)

Post #: 29

RE: This is a "board" game? - 4/21/2005 12:25:38 PM

markhwalker

Posts: 951
Joined: 1/29/2005
Status: offline

Interesting,

Blitzkreig, Dawn of War, Ground Control, Ground Control II, Desperadoes, Shogun Total War, Rome Total War, MechCommander, MechCommander II, Green Berets, Cossacks, Cossacks II, Antietem, Gettysburg...

That's just the stuff off the top of my head. Each one of those has borrowed heavily from TB games. Some of them do have resourse management, but the game does NOT revolve around it. Oh yeah, and that's just the PC stuff. I didn't even bring up console titles like Full Spectrum Warrior, Aliens vs Predator, Brothers in Ams... again... that's off the top of my head. If I scanned my shelves I'd come up with 25 more.

Gaming has moved on.

Best,

Mark

< Message edited by markhwalker -- 4/21/2005 12:28:34 PM >

(in reply to wodin)

Post #: 30