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"Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 7:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was doing a little research earlier today and found this Department of Information film on the defense of Singapore and Malaya, undated, but obviously pre-Pearl Harbor.

It was kind of grimly amusing.

"A powerful air force ranges Malaya's skies.. an air force that is rapidly being augmented by American machines. Including these Buffalo fighters!"

I think my favorite part is "Malaya, rampart of empire, bastion of the Near East and the South Pacific, is well and firmly defended!"

http://www.s1942.org.sg/movies/wmv/eyes_on_spore.wmv

P.S. - The reason I'm doing the research is for work on an "alternate history" scenario where Malaya and Singapore really are properly defended. It should be interesting.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 9:51:09 AM   
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"A powerful air force ranges Malaya's skies.. an air force that is rapidly being augmented by American machines. Including these Buffalo fighters!"




.. and the australian made wirraway, the terror of the skies!!

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 11:21:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation was formed in 1936 to manufacture aircraft in Australia. The First General Manager of CAC was the noted engineer Lawrence Wackett whose influence over design was to be seen throughout his time at CAC

British manufacturers tried to discourage local Australian production and loss of their natural markets, but there was great outcry when the “colonial upstarts” selected an American design for production.

Based on the North American Aviation NA-33, but modified to suit local requirements, the aircraft was named Wirraway, an Aboriginal word meaning challenge, and this was appropriate for at that time Australia was not even able to fully manufacture motor cars. CAC produced not only the airframe but the engine, while industry provided support with equipment and fittings.

Total production between 1939 and 1946 amounted to 755 aircraft. While intended as a general purpose trainer aircraft, the Wirraway was used in combat against Japanese Zero fighters in the desperate defence of Malaya and New Guinea with terrible losses. Their principal contribution was as a trainer and in Army co-operation duties in New Guinea. Wirraways remained with the RAAF as advanced trainers until replaced by the CAC Winjeel in 1958.





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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 11:25:58 AM   
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...I'm doing the research is for work on an "alternate history" scenario where Malaya and Singapore really are properly defended. It should be interesting.
That would take some doing.


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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 11:54:19 AM   
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.. and the australian made wirraway, the terror of the skies!!


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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 12:13:08 PM   
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.. and the australian made wirraway, the terror of the skies!!


Tremble and despair mortals! Doom has come to this world!



Many a barge driver has died at their hands off NG...


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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 12:22:10 PM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 12:26:09 PM   
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Many a barge driver has died at their hands of NG...



they are dying all right! along with my australian pilots...


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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 12:49:39 PM   
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Many a barge driver has died at their hands of NG...



they are dying all right! along with my australian pilots...


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wirraway


Don't use them for air to air ever, betties are faster more manoeuvrable and better armed! They are ok for discouraging long range unescorted port strikes and for bombing barges, that’s about it.... Bring on the boomerang!

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 12:55:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I love those old propaganda films too. Why did people move about three times faster back then though?

I suppose if it hadn't been for the pesky Germans we might have been able to do better with Malaya. It would really depend on whether Japan attacked the US at the same time. If not then they could throw their entire weight against the peninsular. Tricky ...


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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 1:35:19 PM   
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wirraway

Don't use them for air to air ever, betties are faster more manoeuvrable and better armed! They are ok for discouraging long range unescorted port strikes and for bombing barges, that’s about it.... Bring on the boomerang!


As someone here nicknamed them - Wirracoffins.
I kinda tend to agree.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 1:48:16 PM   
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And they do pretty well against Claudes if you can find any

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 2:16:55 PM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 3:31:16 PM   
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"A powerful air force ranges Malaya's skies.. an air force that is rapidly being augmented by American machines. Including these Buffalo fighters!"




.. and the australian made wirraway, the terror of the skies!!


Two heads are better than one?

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 4:41:33 PM   
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Yeah I love those old propaganda films too. Why did people move about three times faster back then though?


Originally stuff was filmed at a lower speed (lower number of frames per second). This gave a somewhat jerky appearance to the film, so film makers eventually started filming at more frames per second. Using modern projection puts the old film through at the faster modern standard - thus giving old films a speeded up appearance.

Interestingly, the modern standard is about the minimal frame rate you can get to have a smooth appearance to the film (or TV). A few years back, someone doubled the frame rate and the results were pretty amazing. It looked real. They set up some small movie houses (called the process Showscan, iirc) and even on their small screens, the results were astonishing. They showed pictures of people and it looked like they were standing there talking to you in person.

A big push was made to get US theaters to go to this standard. The showpiece was a movie called "Brainstorm" - plot of which involved the invention of a process to record experiences and play them back (to someone else). Most of the movie was shot normally. The "playback" of the thought recording sequences were shot in Showscan. However, the whole thing floundered when the movie got into serious financial difficulties when when of its stars (Natalie Wood) got drunk and walked off the deck of her boat and drowned. With the serious financial difficulties, the movie was barely able to be finished based on a completion bond and what footage they had shot (the film was substantially changed.) Showscan floundered with this.

But it was an amazing process from the few demo films that i saw.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 4:53:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting RT.

Wirraways can also be used as naval attack against very lightly defended TF's (they dont do much damage) and against land units without AAA cover.

As stated, they will inhibit long range bomber attacks beyond zero range (i.e a few wirraways at PM will limit attacks by betties operating from Truk) at least until the American fighters arrive

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 6:47:38 PM   
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...I'm doing the research is for work on an "alternate history" scenario where Malaya and Singapore really are properly defended. It should be interesting.
That would take some doing.



The idea is that Italy is knocked out of the war in 1940-41, which opens up the Med and frees up fleet assets and troops from North Africa. Plus, Percival gets malaria and is replaced by Slim, who trains and trains and trains..

Re: Wirraways - You can almost always find somewhere to use them. I like to put them on naval attack at low altitude, to strafe barges, APs, whatever. You can throw them into CAP if you want, too. It'll at least slow the Japanese down sometimes.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 6:57:51 PM   
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Yeah I love those old propaganda films too. Why did people move about three times faster back then though?


Originally stuff was filmed at a lower speed (lower number of frames per second). This gave a somewhat jerky appearance to the film, so film makers eventually started filming at more frames per second. Using modern projection puts the old film through at the faster modern standard - thus giving old films a speeded up appearance.


Aha! I thought it must be something like that, thanks for the explanation.

You're right about the frame rate thing too. I know from playing a lot of FPS games that the human eye/brain can deal with a lot more than the 30 or so frames per second that conventional wisdom tells us is all that is required to mimic reality. I wasn't aware that they had tried to introduce higher frame rates in cinemas though. Shame that never went anywhere ...

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 7:48:35 PM   
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If any player is sending up Claude's they have a mental problem


Hey I had a game where Claude shot down a B-17 on Naval Strike.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 9:04:56 PM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 11:09:48 PM   
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...I'm doing the research is for work on an "alternate history" scenario where Malaya and Singapore really are properly defended. It should be interesting.
That would take some doing.



The idea is that Italy is knocked out of the war in 1940-41, which opens up the Med and frees up fleet assets and troops from North Africa. Plus, Percival gets malaria and is replaced by Slim, who trains and trains and trains..

Re: Wirraways - You can almost always find somewhere to use them. I like to put them on naval attack at low altitude, to strafe barges, APs, whatever. You can throw them into CAP if you want, too. It'll at least slow the Japanese down sometimes.


I was thinking about something of this sort a while ago and posted a thread in which, IIRC, Alikchi took part. It all started with a conversation with one of my profs who introduced me to the idea of what the Brits in the 30s had planned to have in Malaya by 42. After tinkering a bit, I discovered that I just dont have the wherewithal or the patience to do something like that (tacit statement of utter respect for Tanker there) and just forgot about it. I'm glad Alikchi is continuing the idea. I would be very interested in seeing a scenario like that.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/5/2005 11:11:11 PM   
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If any player is sending up Claude's they have a mental problem


Hey I had a game where Claude shot down a B-17 on Naval Strike.


I had a case where a 17 pilot was my leading ase for two whole weeks after shooting down 3 Nates on 3 sucsessive missions.

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 5/6/2005 5:40:48 AM   
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I was thinking about something of this sort a while ago and posted a thread in which, IIRC, Alikchi took part. It all started with a conversation with one of my profs who introduced me to the idea of what the Brits in the 30s had planned to have in Malaya by 42. After tinkering a bit, I discovered that I just dont have the wherewithal or the patience to do something like that (tacit statement of utter respect for Tanker there) and just forgot about it. I'm glad Alikchi is continuing the idea. I would be very interested in seeing a scenario like that.


Thanks so much! Seeing that someone else had thought about the idea and thought it was plausible was nice. There's not a whole lot of point in making this if there's no one to play it against. It's definitely going to be time consuming, but progress is being made. Right now I'm still looking for good research on exactly what you said - which units, specifically, the British had earmarked for Malaya in 41-42. If anyone has info on this it'd very cool

The Japanese, Dutch, and American fleets will have a few "what-if" changes too, with the most significant being a near complete overhaul for the IJN (to balance out the greatly strengthened British and Dutch forces).

The scenario will be based off the latest CHS build with Andrew's map, by the way. Tentative title is "Iron Storm".

If anyone's interested, I have a basic outline document online at the link below. It's rough and ugly - intended more for my benefit, really - but comments would be very much appreciated.

http://cruft.vs.mythic-beasts.com/alikchi/ironstorm.html

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 7/8/2007 9:44:59 PM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 7/9/2007 12:01:31 AM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 7/9/2007 7:48:57 AM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 1/28/2008 10:33:15 AM   
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Sorry for the necro but, did anyone save that newsreel? The link's gone down.



Anyone? :)

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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 1/28/2008 12:42:45 PM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 1/28/2008 8:23:06 PM   
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RE: "Eyes On Singapore" - 2/3/2008 6:28:42 PM   
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Sorry for the necro but, did anyone save that newsreel? The link's gone down.



Anyone? :)



If you're interested in watching stiff-upper lipped commentators speaking about how the Japs will get a damned good thrashing (circa November 1941), then the British Pathe online newsreel archive is a goldmine. Downloading the first clip is a little cumbersome but it gets easier and it's worth the effort IMO

http://www.britishpathe.com/

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