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Autumn '42 - 11/4/2005 11:53:33 PM   
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Thanks guys for the feedback so far.
Apparently the suspense has been appreciated.
I’m going to go for a mixed approach: some details, some general information and – once in a while - a bit of disinformation to keep you guessing a bit.
Probably the further we go the more difficult it will be to ‘fake’ operations because the avenues of approach will reduce more and more as GH dugs in deeper everywhere and brute force will be the only way to go. Announced or unannounced.

Please allow me one more ‘OT’ note.
I very well understand that the capture of Fiji is not a milestone to victory, still it has significantly raised my morale. It’s been a long and tough ride for almost one WitP’s year and some 6-8 months of real life (I don’t even remember when we started!).
I’ve invested an awful lot of time in this game and AAR (as most of my friends and relatives keep accusing me of ), a little bit of fun was really becoming a necessity. Fiji has provided the long awaited relief.
I still have serious concerns about the fun factor of the FCD in air battles, I keep thinking it alters the game too much.
But the game will go on.

And now back to business.

IBC
I’m no longer flying supplies to Chungking, they don’t make such a big difference and I don’t believe the city will hold much longer anyway. It may be over by the end of the year. Also most of the units there have been reassigned to Southeast Asia HQ (once again, thanks Andy! ), hence I’ll loose on one front but I’ll gain on another. And I have other plans for those (98) B-17’s.
A serious attempt to gain more ground in the area should be attempted before he can divert all his air power from China. I now have plenty of ships, planes and troops to do some serious damage.
I see four main possibilities.
1) Land attack, as in history, just a couple of years earlier. It’s safe but allows GH all the time he needs to react. Still my air superiority over Burma may prove a winning factor.
2) Island jumping. Faster, but the risks are much higher.
3) Western Sumatra. He won’t probably expect it and I may be able to land lots of troops and supplies before a serious reaction. Western bases are not developed, only those overlooking the Sumatra-Malaya entrance.
4) A combination of the above.

AUSTRALIA
Bombing Daly to give a chance to the Australian HQ divisions.
“Fishing in the Pond II”. The operation has been developing for the past two weeks . I sent a mix of decoys, real air cargos … and – once again – carriers in the Indian Pond . I’m really scared.

PACIFIC
Here it’s ‘easy’.
It’ll be island jumping in every possible direction. Wherever he is not strong I’ll land and build up. No need to endanger the carriers. I’ll use LBA’s and AP’s at full speed.
I’m getting dozens of Seabees, I never thought I would have been getting so many. They can really make a difference in the Pacific.


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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/5/2005 12:41:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Keep those boys in Chungking supplied, send in as many planes as you can. Chungking is urban terrain, which means 4x bonus to your defenders, which basically means your AP's count quadrouple there. And double that for what the japs need to get 2 to 1 odds.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/5/2005 1:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		A couple of quick updates before going to sleep

The last two dates were wrong, today's turn was November 10th, I confused month with day.

Chungking held the first Jap attack better than expected (actually Speedy just suggested it may ). Disruption remained low and his losses - according to the combat report - have been approx 14k! vs. only 3k of mine.

The Tongarapu garrison just committed seppuku shock attacking my division. I guess no more training field.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/5/2005 3:07:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		String is right, keep supplying that base! Remember, if he has replacements on, they'll come from his pool - less Japanese to fight elsewhere in the world. Your replacement come from the Chinese pool, and don't effect your other operations. I'd even consider airlifting in some SE Asia reinforcements - you'll get them back later anyway. Even some LBA ground strikes will cost you some, but will heavily disrupt his most powerful unit.

Damn the torpedoes - full speed ahead...

Oh, and be sure to bombard with any low experience Chinese units you've got - you probably won't inflict any casualties (and may even suffer some), but they'll gain experience - which is another combat plus modifier.

You can take him here. Good luck.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/5/2005 1:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep flying in supplies keep those troops going.

Also watch bombarding.

It counts as an attack so you dont get a defensive bonus if you bombard with a unit at the same time as he attacks.

You can do it for a while butr you need to judge when to stop you do not want him to shock attack while your army is bombarding.

(I know this is true for forts not sure about urban bonus)

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/5/2005 1:40:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, bombarding does use up supplies. I'd suggest against bombarding. just sit tight and try to keep your forces supplied. Also a nice map of china with the current situation would be nice, I have a few ideas but i can't suggest anything without seeing the situation

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/5/2005 1:47:20 PM   
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As others have mentioned I would keep trying to supply it. Every bit helps.

I assume you are still building fortifications there? If so, how much % do they increase each turn?

What LCU's do you have for an offensive in Burma? Maybe it's worth pushing hard here to attempt to divert his attention from Chungking? Your air can provide an umbrella on land where KB can't influence things....

Just my 2p.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/6/2005 2:04:00 PM   
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Sorry guys to keep you waiting and – as usual – thanks for your suggestions.

CHINA
I’ve been following your advice and I keep supplying Chungking.
I will not bombard for two main reasons: a) it burns supplies, b) I don’t need to improve the units experience, they are all 65+, several 75+.
I think only the normal and shock attacks negate forts bonus.
No way to build forts, the base is constantly damaged, therefore I’m only repairing.
As requested the map showing all my remaining strongholds.

INDIA-BURMA
I agree that I’ve been sitting idle long enough.
India is now safe from a seaborne invasion. Thanks to the air force and to the Chinese divisions providing a very useful garrison force.
Since a few days several units have been mobilized for a major joint operation. Due to the various combined efforts it’ll take a while to get to the ‘live’ action.
So far approximately (5) HQ + (6) divisions + (5) infantry Bde + (3) engineer units + (5) Art + (3) tank Bde are participating in the joint operation. I still have to come up with a name, I'm not very good at that.

AUSTRALIA - NG
No news, but for fighters back on station in Daly.
It seems he is not appreciating my bombings.

SOPAC
Units are concentrating in Noumea and Fiji.
Air training over Suva is proceeding well, as long as it lasts: I’m sure he is moving his two units for a kamikaze attack in Nandi.
SOPAC is now equipped with a very strong air force, both offensive and defensive.
The Allies force power is eventually starting to show, I may be low on some air replacements, but I sure have enough units, ships and air squadrons to get some work done.
A new beauty is now in SF.

CENPAC
Thanks to several Canadian air unit arrivals I’m now putting fighters and TB’s into every CENPAC atoll. Most bases would not be able to withstand the DS (in the air), but it’ll be enough to fend off any approaching minor force.
Also CW air units are Kitty’s based and I have a pool with 300, no risk of running short.





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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 12:01:53 AM   
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PACIFIC
Nandi has reached port size (3), I’ll now build up the airfield from (4) to (6).
The conquest of the Fiji has substantially altered the balance in the Pacific. Without the Fiji I couldn’t have started an island jumping strategy, several lost atolls are now all within air and fast ships range.

In the picture the first Vengeance’s I in action over Suva. I had never seen them before (thanks TheELF! )





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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 1:36:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why, operation towelsweep ofcourse. Push him out of burma and bomb indo china back into stoneage.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 11:38:59 AM   
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IBC
I’m afraid pushing him out of Burma is not in my plans. I really don’t think I can do that! At best I hope to retake a couple of bases to grant the bombers some more range.
However, following String ‘bath-related’ suggestion for the operation name, I decided to call it “Operation Toilet Paper”, because it’ll probably go down the drain like the previous one!!

PACIFIC
A squadron of (64) Dakota’s has arrived in SF!
I didn’t know there where such big TR groups.


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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 6:18:06 PM   
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IBC
Chungking is doomed. In the last attack, despite heavy losses, the Japs achieved a 1:1 and brought the forts down to (1).
I’ve converted almost all units to Southeast Asia HQ. I’m no longer flying supplies because they’ll end up in Japanese hands.
(24) additional P-40’s have just arrived in Ceylon from Australia. They’ll help in “Operation Toilet Paper”.

PACIFIC
Bases build up and training proceeds real well.
At least in the Pacific the situation looks good … so far.


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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 6:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember - he's getting replacements from his Japanese pool, yours are from the China pool. As long as you're inflicting casualties, keep that base supplied. Maybe he'll take it, but 20,000+ supplies aren't going to make that much of a difference to him. The Japanese troops that he loses will. The Japanese you kill in China won't be facing you in the Pacific.
My advice, as long as he's taking more casualties than you, keep on defending as long as you can. He needs 2-1 to take the base, even after the forts are down...

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 7:18:48 PM   
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Chungking is doomed. In the last attack, despite heavy losses, the Japs achieved a 1:1 and brought the forts down to (1).
I’ve converted almost all units to Southeast Asia HQ. I’m no longer flying supplies because they’ll end up in Japanese hands.



BLurking is right: Keep Chungking supplied, the reduction of your forts has nothing to say, as long as your troops are not out of supply, a 2:1 should be extremely difficult to achieve for him. Basically your previous fort level (2) did only mean that he needed 4:1 odds to capture Chungking while he now still needs a 3:1 and will need a 2:1 once your fort level drops to 0. Every result of (at least) 1:1 gives a fort reduction and the fact that your fort level only dropped by one tells us that he did not achieve a better ratio than 1:1 despite shock-attacking...

As long as you keep Chungking supplied, your assault value will not drop and your troops may even recover and get stronger if they draw troops from the pool when enough supplies are available.

There's still hope for Chungking

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/7/2005 9:02:23 PM   
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Chungking is doomed. In the last attack, despite heavy losses, the Japs achieved a 1:1 and brought the forts down to (1).
I’ve converted almost all units to Southeast Asia HQ. I’m no longer flying supplies because they’ll end up in Japanese hands.


K. has the point.He will have hard time to kick you out from there.Keep C. supplied.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 12:11:32 AM   
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IBC
Operation “Fishing in the Pond II” is officially over. (24) F4F-4 are now safe at Ceylon and will soon initiate the training program.
I didn’t manage to ambush any baby KB, but at least I ferried through what I needed.

Chungking is in light orange and will stay so even without air supplies. I’m sure it won’t hold longer than a couple of weeks.
I appreciate your suggestion (I really do ), but I’m recovering the (98) B-17s and they will join in the ground attacks of the Japanese Burma garrison. I believe they’ll inflict more casualties to the Japs by ground attacking than by flying supplies.

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One of the newly arrived Wildcats over the skies of Ceylon.





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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 12:38:20 AM   
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Keep flying supplies in!!! Holding Chungking is of the Utmost IMPORTANCE!

If it falls, china is gone, allowing him to move out the forces there to burma, and with enough PP's overseas. Even if you don't allow moving out by land he still gets a division or two per two months. It's a lot of ground unit power, which you'll be rooting out of 9 fort atolls in the future.

THe longer Chungking stands the better.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 12:41:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, and it looks like chungking is range 9 from Ledo. You can do sweeps from Ledo with P-38's then which means he can't LRCAP Chungking effectively, which means you can send in Dakotas, which means a lot of supplies. 100 dakotas carry 500 supplies per turn, and with PDU you can surely get more than 100 into India. Hey, if you're lucky you can get that big 64 plane group into india within a month or so. Ferry to hawaii, fly to perth, ferry to ceilon. Takes about 30-40 days.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 12:44:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you think you can knock out 10-15K Japanese using your bombers, then go ahead. Otherwise, let the Chinese do the fighting and dying. String is right - face these Japanese now, or face them later. The only option is where they will be when you fight them...

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 1:16:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		(98) B-17s can kill 3-500 men per turn with ground attacks.
It's 10-15k in a month. Chungking is mainly auto-supplied and the troop quantity has been steady declining despite the supplies flown. Mainly because of the bombings.
It's doomed and - yes - I'll have to face lots of Japs troops everywhere.
However those Chinere troops will be back in Karachi, hence,at least partially, I'll be able to counter-balance it.

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 1:17:13 AM   
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PACIFIC
Unfortunately Suva has been ‘conquered’ despite my will. Hence my air training field is now closed.
However new ones will soon open.
A brief overview of the South Pacific situation. I’m building up Vanikoro.





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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 12:51:48 PM   
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IBC
Bad weather is keeping most of my bombers on the ground. I hope it’ll improve because hardly more than 50 LB’s out of some 3-400 take off every turn.

AUSTRALIA
The first ENG unit is now in Coen, it’s now building up the base.
Soon I’ll be able to use Thursdays Is. as training field for any fighter with range of at least (5). Most of the Australian Wirraway’s have been upgraded to Kitty’s I.

PACIFIC
Central and South Pacific operations proceed smoothly.
The US pioneers are doing an outstanding job. Bases are developed at an amazing speed.
Pago Pago will be my next training field in Central Pacific.
The air force massed in Fiji, Noumea and Luganville makes me feel quite safe.
I believe that GH is now reverting to the Bunker Tactic himself. It looks like he has vacated all the nearby atolls, including the Samoa Islands. He knows he can’t defend them without risking a lot and apparently he has decided to preserve his VPs advantage rather than engaging in battle.
I’m not sure which atoll will be his first line of defense: Noumea or Tarawa.
With Andrew’s map it’ll be hard to defend Noumea because it is in range of two bases, Nukufetau e Funafuti. And even Tarawa has small beaches nearby. The Seabees can do wonders.
However Tarawa will be hard to take. But it’s the jump to Canton and Kweiling that will be real tough.
All these islands are not very important VP-wise, but at least I can start regaining some ground.
The big problem is that the important bases (those producing oil and resources) are totally out of reach. Without the possibility of retaking Northern Australia , DEI will firmly be in Japan’s hands at least until ’44. The only chance of partially endangering Northern DEI lies with “Operation Toilet Paper”.

I started to wonder what should be the VPs progression to allow me to get a draw or – I know I’m dreaming – even to win.
1942 will end 3:1, if ’43 ends 2:1 I can hope to get 1:1 by the end of 44’, can’t I?
Anybody has any thoughts on this?

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 1:39:45 PM   
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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 1:53:07 PM   
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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 2:12:00 PM   
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Reconquer Malaya and bomb him to bits from Singapore


Easier said than done

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 2:14:37 PM   
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Keep Chungking supplied



You don't give up, do you?
Let's do like this: as long as it stays above the minum requirement without airlited supplies I'll use the B-17s to ground attack.
If it goes below I'll go back to airlift.

Deal?

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 2:24:10 PM   
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Keep Chungking supplied



You don't give up, do you?
Let's do like this: as long as it stays above the minum requirement without airlited supplies I'll use the B-17s to ground attack.
If it goes below I'll go back to airlift.

Deal?


You're the boss here

Makes sense, the only remaining question: Do you see his land loss numbers rising due to your ground attacks in Burma? Or are you just disabling his units? Interesting question in many aspects...

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 3:23:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do see the land losses slowly rising.
It's hard to tell however which one is the cause: China, malaria, bombings?

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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 3:48:52 PM   
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RE: Autumn '42 - 11/8/2005 4:02:42 PM   
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