Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing England, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Ignascio says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing England, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Ignascio says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

I'm always in Vegas for two weeks in August anyway. Given the level of play I'd expect from the AI, I'm happy to wait for the humans to return.

But you make a good point, logistics issues increase exponentially as you add players. In a prior post, Bo, you asked how many play regularly online now. I play once a week using Vassal in netplay mode. 2-player with a two hour time difference. It works Ok for my friend down east but only because he doesn't mind starting and playing late. We played until 2 AM my time on one occasion but usually we are done by 2 AM his time.

Vassal has the ability to switch back and forth between netplay and PBEM which would be a better feature to have in MWiF than an AI IMO.

I recommend putting your efforts into finding compatible opponents rather than lobbying for an AI. They'll give you a far better game.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing England, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Ignascio says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

I'm always in Vegas for two weeks in August anyway. Given the level of play I'd expect from the AI, I'm happy to wait for the humans to return.

But you make a good point, logistics issues increase exponentially as you add players. In a prior post, Bo, you asked how many play regularly online now. I play once a week using Vassal in netplay mode. 2-player with a two hour time difference. It works Ok for my friend down east but only because he doesn't mind starting and playing late. We played until 2 AM my time on one occasion but usually we are done by 2 AM his time.

Vassal has the ability to switch back and forth between netplay and PBEM which would be a better feature to have in MWiF than an AI IMO.

I recommend putting your efforts into finding compatible opponents rather than lobbying for an AI. They'll give you a far better game.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Hmmm, the best bet to win all the time will be if there's an AI, so you may well be on the right path after all.

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ORIGINAL: vonRocko

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing England, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Ignascio says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

I'm always in Vegas for two weeks in August anyway. Given the level of play I'd expect from the AI, I'm happy to wait for the humans to return.

But you make a good point, logistics issues increase exponentially as you add players. In a prior post, Bo, you asked how many play regularly online now. I play once a week using Vassal in netplay mode. 2-player with a two hour time difference. It works Ok for my friend down east but only because he doesn't mind starting and playing late. We played until 2 AM my time on one occasion but usually we are done by 2 AM his time.

Vassal has the ability to switch back and forth between netplay and PBEM which would be a better feature to have in MWiF than an AI IMO.

I recommend putting your efforts into finding compatible opponents rather than lobbying for an AI. They'll give you a far better game.

I don't understand, If people are already able to play others online, why are they waiting for this game? What will be different? (hopefully an AI)

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing the Commonwealth, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Rojo says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: vonRocko

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing England, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Ignascio says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

I'm always in Vegas for two weeks in August anyway. Given the level of play I'd expect from the AI, I'm happy to wait for the humans to return.

But you make a good point, logistics issues increase exponentially as you add players. In a prior post, Bo, you asked how many play regularly online now. I play once a week using Vassal in netplay mode. 2-player with a two hour time difference. It works Ok for my friend down east but only because he doesn't mind starting and playing late. We played until 2 AM my time on one occasion but usually we are done by 2 AM his time.

Vassal has the ability to switch back and forth between netplay and PBEM which would be a better feature to have in MWiF than an AI IMO.

I recommend putting your efforts into finding compatible opponents rather than lobbying for an AI. They'll give you a far better game.

I don't understand, If people are already able to play others online, why are they waiting for this game? What will be different? (hopefully an AI)

You have to read more of the posts here. Many have commented that the difference is that MWiF will enforce all the rules without us having to look up stuff all the time. The rules for WiFFE are something like 128 pages. It will prevent errors like moving and attacking with units that are out of supply. Or moving them the wrong distance due to weather effects. Or moving ships too far because you overlook that it has a movement of 6 but is one of the rare CAs with a range of 4. It will calculate all the oil expenditure - which is considered by most players to be an almost unacceptable bookeeping overhead. It will ensure someone doesn't do their production wrong (for either players advantage). etc. etc.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

You have to read more of the posts here. Many have commented that the difference is that MWiF will enforce all the rules without us having to look up stuff all the time. The rules for WiFFE are something like 128 pages. It will prevent errors like moving and attacking with units that are out of supply. Or moving them the wrong distance due to weather effects. Or moving ships too far because you overlook that it has a movement of 6 but is one of the rare CAs with a range of 4. It will calculate all the oil expenditure - which is considered by most players to be an almost unacceptable bookeeping overhead. It will ensure someone doesn't do their production wrong (for either players advantage). etc. etc.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: vonRocko

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ah Jose, bull****, the only bull**** I know is in the corridas of Spain or on the streets of Pamplona our bulls are out west thank god Jose your points are well taken and bolster my feelings about an AI good or not. Now envision this [just being silly] we are playing each other one on one, no problem with PBEM, you can wait a day or a month for an answer because you might be playing 10 different people at once, of course trying to bring to mind different tactics for different folks in each game might be all right for you college guys but I would have trouble with one games tactics and what I was trying to accomplish in the game Now we go a step farther and we would like to go back to the old way, you know six players sitting around a cyber table. Lets see we have Paulderynck playing England, Froonp Germany, Composser99 USA, Warspite China, Red Prince Italy [no reason] and to tick off Jose he is France It is the end of July and Mrs Ignascio says lets go Jose its August and we are going on vacation and we know all Euopeans take off the month of August What happens now if France has not fallen yet, do you sit around a month waiting for Jose to come back or Jose is in the middle of a hot game against Paulderynck and Pauly says what do you mean your going away for a month. In Net play the above scenario would be a disaster. So while Jose is away we could all play the AI even if it is bull*** just to keep in practice. Please don't get mad at me it is all tongue in cheek but it could happen. I am truly going to need all your help, when this game is released I promise exemplary behavior no matter what's in the game or not in the game [errrr maybe]

Bo

I'm always in Vegas for two weeks in August anyway. Given the level of play I'd expect from the AI, I'm happy to wait for the humans to return.

But you make a good point, logistics issues increase exponentially as you add players. In a prior post, Bo, you asked how many play regularly online now. I play once a week using Vassal in netplay mode. 2-player with a two hour time difference. It works Ok for my friend down east but only because he doesn't mind starting and playing late. We played until 2 AM my time on one occasion but usually we are done by 2 AM his time.

Vassal has the ability to switch back and forth between netplay and PBEM which would be a better feature to have in MWiF than an AI IMO.

I recommend putting your efforts into finding compatible opponents rather than lobbying for an AI. They'll give you a far better game.

I don't understand, If people are already able to play others online, why are they waiting for this game? What will be different? (hopefully an AI)

You have to read more of the posts here. Many have commented that the difference is that MWiF will enforce all the rules without us having to look up stuff all the time. The rules for WiFFE are something like 128 pages. It will prevent errors like moving and attacking with units that are out of supply. Or moving them the wrong distance due to weather effects. Or moving ships too far because you overlook that it has a movement of 6 but is one of the rare CAs with a range of 4. It will calculate all the oil expenditure - which is considered by most players to be an almost unacceptable bookeeping overhead. It will ensure someone doesn't do their production wrong (for either players advantage). etc. etc.

Yep.

And Bo, I carry my laptop everywhere on holidays too, plus now many people (including me) have a mobile internet connection (in muy case only within Spain unfortunately) . So wifi (usually slow and bad quality) is not necessary anymore.

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ORIGINAL: bo

Ok Pauly you play net play on vassal, and I assume you are playing real time. My question would be why are you concerned about MWIF if you are already playing CWIF on vassel Do you feel Matix's version will be better? Is it rules or eye candy like pretty counters and such or you will be able to play posters here who do not want to play on Vassel. Please not being smart and nothing to do with the AI. I have never played anything net play. What do you see, I assume the map is in front of you on your computer, ok you make all your moves and when your finished do you type to your opponet I'm done? Are you a particular country with several players or are you allied or axis with one player. Example [for my benefit] in the cap phase do you just move your fighter over the unit you want to protect and your opponet sees this and reacts or do you have to type to your opponet what your intentions are besides what he sees you doing. If it sounds like a stupid question sorry I'm stupid about this game and net play. Is there a way to watch a game in progress somewhere? If you don't want to answer here because of length e-mail me, please.

Bo

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ORIGINAL: toki01

Forgive my intrusion Great Ones.

I feel like a bug amongst the Gods.

I played my first game more than 20 years ago, maps taped together over my bed room floor. Two wives, and two decades later (hells... I really miss those decades), I have only played.... one game. You beat me by two Kermitt.

Without boring you with a biography, I too, have followed this site for a very long time.

I'd just like to say two things, and ask one other.

a/ I was totally skyed to note the approx June date for release. After so much work, and such 'Job like patience', I pay homage to those who have brought this work to within sight of completion.

b/ I recognise that many have waited even longer than I. So bring out the game ASAP for their sakes. But me... I need the AI. As a born again virgin, I cant wait for my next 'first' experience with WIF, but with no real history of WIF, no computer knowledge of all this PBEMNetplayWiFFE stuff, and no established network of other gamers, I can only see myself playing against AI. So bring out the 'play real people online' version as quick as you can, coz I can understand, and agree with the points made by Paulderynck... its a real bugga.... but don’t be too long in bringing out the AI version. Please.

c/ (question time) What is the best way for a semi-computer literate, un-networked person to get involved in either playing with himself (yes yes... chuckle away), or with others?

Cheers,

Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Welcome to the forum toki01.

Great to have you among us.

I belive that there are many who have not played a wif game in a very long time who will play MWIF. I think there are many who have not even played one game but are eager to give MWIF a try. While I understand that for many playing against the AI will be the main type of play I do think that giving netplay a try will be a positive experience.

Most of my MWIF experience have been playing against myself. And I suspect that I will play against the AI most of the time. But what I look forward to most is netplay.

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ORIGINAL: toki01

Forgive my intrusion Great Ones.

I feel like a bug amongst the Gods.

I played my first game more than 20 years ago, maps taped together over my bed room floor. Two wives, and two decades later (hells... I really miss those decades), I have only played.... one game. You beat me by two Kermitt.

Without boring you with a biography, I too, have followed this site for a very long time.

I'd just like to say two things, and ask one other.

a/ I was totally skyed to note the approx June date for release. After so much work, and such 'Job like patience', I pay homage to those who have brought this work to within sight of completion.

b/ I recognise that many have waited even longer than I. So bring out the game ASAP for their sakes. But me... I need the AI. As a born again virgin, I cant wait for my next 'first' experience with WIF, but with no real history of WIF, no computer knowledge of all this PBEMNetplayWiFFE stuff, and no established network of other gamers, I can only see myself playing against AI. So bring out the 'play real people online' version as quick as you can, coz I can understand, and agree with the points made by Paulderynck... its a real bugga.... but don’t be too long in bringing out the AI version. Please.

c/ (question time) What is the best way for a semi-computer literate, un-networked person to get involved in either playing with himself (yes yes... chuckle away), or with others?

Cheers,

Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Welcome to the forum toki01.

Great to have you among us.

I belive that there are many who have not played a wif game in a very long time who will play MWIF. I think there are many who have not even played one game but are eager to give MWIF a try. While I understand that for many playing against the AI will be the main type of play I do think that giving netplay a try will be a positive experience.

Most of my MWIF experience have been playing against myself. And I suspect that I will play against the AI most of the time. But what I look forward to most is netplay.

Hi Orm, ah Sweden, if I would want to live elsewhere than the USA I think that Sweden and Switzerland would be two of my favorites, why, cannot say as I will take the fifth on that one [not whiskey] You say you play yourself with Mwif, I assume you mean the Wif board game. Not a dig, I would really like to know how you do that as I have CWIF and outside of learning movement and a few things it is difficult at best to play yourself.

Bo

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ORIGINAL: toki01

Forgive my intrusion Great Ones.

I feel like a bug amongst the Gods.

I played my first game more than 20 years ago, maps taped together over my bed room floor. Two wives, and two decades later (hells... I really miss those decades), I have only played.... one game. You beat me by two Kermitt.

Without boring you with a biography, I too, have followed this site for a very long time.

I'd just like to say two things, and ask one other.

a/ I was totally skyed to note the approx June date for release. After so much work, and such 'Job like patience', I pay homage to those who have brought this work to within sight of completion.

b/ I recognise that many have waited even longer than I. So bring out the game ASAP for their sakes. But me... I need the AI. As a born again virgin, I cant wait for my next 'first' experience with WIF, but with no real history of WIF, no computer knowledge of all this PBEMNetplayWiFFE stuff, and no established network of other gamers, I can only see myself playing against AI. So bring out the 'play real people online' version as quick as you can, coz I can understand, and agree with the points made by Paulderynck... its a real bugga.... but don’t be too long in bringing out the AI version. Please.

c/ (question time) What is the best way for a semi-computer literate, un-networked person to get involved in either playing with himself (yes yes... chuckle away), or with others?

Cheers,

Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum

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ORIGINAL: petracelli

Steve

Am looking forward to seeing the results of your labour though stills bit concerned as a long time widget to the effect on game balance in china with bigger hexs.

Leaving that aside are you able to give us an idea as to min specs required to run mwif and an optimum, and assume it will run in vista or do I need to upgrade to 7?

Cheers

Phil

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: petracelli

Steve

Am looking forward to seeing the results of your labour though stills bit concerned as a long time widget to the effect on game balance in china with bigger hexs.

Leaving that aside are you able to give us an idea as to min specs required to run mwif and an optimum, and assume it will run in vista or do I need to upgrade to 7?

Cheers

Phil

I have been running MWIF in Vista. I had some small issues but when I run it in XP compatibility mode I had no trouble at all. So no need to upgrade.

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ORIGINAL: petracelli

Steve

Am looking forward to seeing the results of your labour though stills bit concerned as a long time widget to the effect on game balance in china with bigger hexs.

Leaving that aside are you able to give us an idea as to min specs required to run mwif and an optimum, and assume it will run in vista or do I need to upgrade to 7?

Cheers

Phil

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ORIGINAL: petracelli

Thanks Gents for that and have been enjoying playing by vassal for sometime which really enjoy.

Steve any chance you can let us have an idea of min spec and optimum to run mwif.

Cheers

Phil