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Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 1:18:35 AM   
ian77

 

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Status: offline 		I do not recall seeing this in the manual, and I have tried "search" without success, can anyone tell me what are the pros and cons of giving or not giving money to the Church when it is requested?

Ian
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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 3:19:23 AM   
Ralegh


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Status: offline 		Gee. I'm actually not sure about this.
I -think- that you get a relationship boost with the Catholic countries if youmake the donation, and lose a bit if you don't, but I'm really not sure.

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 3:51:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		hmm....i wonder if the Vatican asks the Turks for a
donation...
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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 7:04:12 AM   
ian77

 

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Status: offline 		Revolutionary France was hardly a friend to the church, I doubt the Pope would have expected many donations from Paris!

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 10:55:26 AM   
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France had no official religion after ter Revolution (was catholic pre-rev.)
Prussia was Protestant (if I'm not mistaken)
Russia was Orthodox
Sweden was Protestant
Turkey was Muslim
England was Anglican

only Austria and Spain were catholic. So may be in a later version they could change that when only you play these countries you get this message. Come and think of it I don't even no the meaning or effect of this message (answer: hence the original question L-M dooh ).


L-M

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 4:58:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		That donation pop-up works against the Pope.

Every time I see it I think "Oh, Papacy, that reminds me, it's the highest culture province in the game. Hmmmm...".

Next thing you know my personal flag is flying over the Vatican

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 5:27:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: carnifex

That donation pop-up works against the Pope.

Every time I see it I think "Oh, Papacy, that reminds me, it's the highest culture province in the game. Hmmmm...".

Next thing you know my personal flag is flying over the Vatican



ROFL

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 6:49:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Vatican donation prompt only appears for France and Austria.

Napoleon made some pro-Vatican gestures (at least at first) to try to defuse the support that Catholics were giving to the Royalists in the Vendee (as I understand it...)

The list of Catholic countries is:
{
Austria, Spain, Holland, Corsica, Flanders,
Italia, Lombardy, Papacy, Piedmont, Portugal, Sardinia,
Sicily, Tuscany, Veneto, Lorraine, Naples, France_Revolt
};

The amount of attitude increased is the amount of money donated divided by 8; the amount lost when refusing the gift is the amount donated divided by 6.


FWIW, we originally planned to have about 30 such random events in the game but didn't finish due to lack of time.




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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 7:34:41 PM   
ian77

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the facts Eric ... I cannot believe nobody had asked before about this, I began wondering about the consequences the first time the event occured.

May we be seeing some more events in the v1.3 or expansion? Could we mod our own? (I did try looking for the vatican event but could not find a file)

Ian

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 8:26:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		You could probably add Bavaria to that list as well.

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 9:24:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

You could probably add Bavaria to that list as well.


Consider it officially added.

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/18/2005 10:29:10 PM   
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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/19/2005 12:25:37 AM   
Latour_Maubourg


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ORIGINAL: ericbabe


The list of Catholic countries is:
{
Austria, Spain, Holland, Corsica, Flanders,
Italia, Lombardy, Papacy, Piedmont, Portugal, Sardinia,
Sicily, Tuscany, Veneto, Lorraine, Naples, France_Revolt
};





Holland? Dear Eric, Holland... We fought 80 years to get rid of those Spanish catholics. 1568-1648. Our whole war of independance started with smashing catholic statues. Holland the country of Calvijn (yes I know born in Geneva) and protestants. Holland which send William III to England in 1688 for the "glorious revolution". And still we have those protestant orange marches every year against the catholics in Northern Ireland, courtesy of the Dutch.....in 1672 France attacked the dutch because they thought we were heathens and gave refuge to other thinking and believing french. He got his ass whooped but that's another story.... Anyways if you could scrap the dutch from the catholic list in a future patch, we'd be happy. Also sprach a catholic born but for the rest non believing, heathen dutchie


L-M


< Message edited by Latour_Maubourg -- 8/19/2005 2:03:09 AM >

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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/19/2005 11:52:23 AM   
Latour_Maubourg


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Status: offline 		Eric, you think you have time to add those other features in future patches?

L-M


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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/19/2005 4:13:34 PM   
ericbabe


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Status: offline 		I thought it was strange when I included it on the list originally, but I did it because I found it on a list of majority Catholic countries in 1800 (this was probably either in one of the Penguin historical atlases or in the New Oxford Atlas of World History), and it was under Catholic rule for most of the period.... but I bet that list might have considered "Holland" to be the united Netherlands, which would include many Catholics in the southern part, an area which I believe is largely in our province of Flanders.

I'll take it off the list!


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RE: Donations to the Vatican - 8/19/2005 4:53:17 PM   
Latour_Maubourg


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Status: offline 		Spot on Eric. Tx.


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