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ORIGINAL: Gurggulk


Italian Naval Deployment

Without Limited Overseas Supply option
Option A
1 Convoy point Italian Coast
All transports, Surface Ships, Subs and Convoys, LaSpezia

Option B
With Limited Overseas Supply option
1 convoy point each in Italian Coast, East Med
All transports, Surface Ships, Subs and Convoys, LaSpezia

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ORIGINAL: Gurggulk
Italian Naval Deployment

Without Limited Overseas Supply option
Option A
1 Convoy point Italian Coast
All transports, Surface Ships, Subs and Convoys, LaSpezia

Option B
With Limited Overseas Supply option
1 convoy point each in Italian Coast, East Med
All transports, Surface Ships, Subs and Convoys, LaSpezia

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ORIGINAL: morgil

Just read through this old thread and got a few pointers...

In the start of the game, Italy should focus on defending against a French or CW DOW, that would enable them to put 4 corps into Italy or Albania.
This is easily done with a unit in Tirana, Palermo/Syracuse and stuffing the rest on the French border.
Imagine youre going for an early Greece with Italy, only to have the french walk across the border, align Yougoslavia, and then knock out Vienna, Bratislava and Trieste just for fun.
Heavily on the French border will also divert French units from the front against Germany.
Watching the US entry, should give you a good inclination on when its "safe" to send a TRS to pick up your units i Ethiopia, but only send one at the time, as the brits are known to gamble over such a sweet prize.

As Italy you would want to join the fun asap, for the brotherly love from Germany, but you would want to delay it as much as possible to avoid the tougher "love" of the CW fleet, and US entry. If the WAllies make obvious mistakes, like undefended french border, Malta and/or Gibraltar, you hop to it regardless of the Senates mumblings.

You would also very much like to align Yougoslavia youreself, by taking out Greece, but I'm not sure that the benefits to that outweighs the downsides.
Consider US entering the war, and going for a quick kill of Italy, they will accieve it. Then they look at the map, all the invasion forces available is in Italian Coast, and umm the dragon has more soft underbelly, that leads to Bulgaria, and 3 more hexes to the oilfields in Romania.
It is usually better to just kill of Price Paul right away.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: morgil

Just read through this old thread and got a few pointers...

In the start of the game, Italy should focus on defending against a French or CW DOW, that would enable them to put 4 corps into Italy or Albania.
This is easily done with a unit in Tirana, Palermo/Syracuse and stuffing the rest on the French border.
Imagine youre going for an early Greece with Italy, only to have the french walk across the border, align Yougoslavia, and then knock out Vienna, Bratislava and Trieste just for fun.
Heavily on the French border will also divert French units from the front against Germany.
Watching the US entry, should give you a good inclination on when its "safe" to send a TRS to pick up your units i Ethiopia, but only send one at the time, as the brits are known to gamble over such a sweet prize.

As Italy you would want to join the fun asap, for the brotherly love from Germany, but you would want to delay it as much as possible to avoid the tougher "love" of the CW fleet, and US entry. If the WAllies make obvious mistakes, like undefended french border, Malta and/or Gibraltar, you hop to it regardless of the Senates mumblings.

You would also very much like to align Yougoslavia youreself, by taking out Greece, but I'm not sure that the benefits to that outweighs the downsides.
Consider US entering the war, and going for a quick kill of Italy, they will accieve it. Then they look at the map, all the invasion forces available is in Italian Coast, and umm the dragon has more soft underbelly, that leads to Bulgaria, and 3 more hexes to the oilfields in Romania.
It is usually better to just kill of Price Paul right away.

As the German player there is nothing I would rather see than France committing 6 or so land units to the Italian front. If things got desperate for Italy, I'd just rail move a garrison (or two) into Milan and let France chew on those for a while.

I had this discussion recently with Peter about setting up the French units, and I am quite firm in my opinion that France should look to its own defenses first. Once Paris falls, all those French units in Italy will go away. Now if Germany attacks the USSR in 1939, that's another story, ...

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: morgil

Just read through this old thread and got a few pointers...

In the start of the game, Italy should focus on defending against a French or CW DOW, that would enable them to put 4 corps into Italy or Albania.
This is easily done with a unit in Tirana, Palermo/Syracuse and stuffing the rest on the French border.
Imagine youre going for an early Greece with Italy, only to have the french walk across the border, align Yougoslavia, and then knock out Vienna, Bratislava and Trieste just for fun.
Heavily on the French border will also divert French units from the front against Germany.
Watching the US entry, should give you a good inclination on when its "safe" to send a TRS to pick up your units i Ethiopia, but only send one at the time, as the brits are known to gamble over such a sweet prize.

As Italy you would want to join the fun asap, for the brotherly love from Germany, but you would want to delay it as much as possible to avoid the tougher "love" of the CW fleet, and US entry. If the WAllies make obvious mistakes, like undefended french border, Malta and/or Gibraltar, you hop to it regardless of the Senates mumblings.

You would also very much like to align Yougoslavia youreself, by taking out Greece, but I'm not sure that the benefits to that outweighs the downsides.
Consider US entering the war, and going for a quick kill of Italy, they will accieve it. Then they look at the map, all the invasion forces available is in Italian Coast, and umm the dragon has more soft underbelly, that leads to Bulgaria, and 3 more hexes to the oilfields in Romania.
It is usually better to just kill of Price Paul right away.

As the German player there is nothing I would rather see than France committing 6 or so land units to the Italian front. If things got desperate for Italy, I'd just rail move a garrison (or two) into Milan and let France chew on those for a while.

I had this discussion recently with Peter about setting up the French units, and I am quite firm in my opinion that France should look to its own defenses first. Once Paris falls, all those French units in Italy will go away. Now if Germany attacks the USSR in 1939, that's another story, ...

As Germany I have on a few occasions when France lightly defended the Italian border ordered Italy to attack into France. Germany then reinforces the attack. With the mountain line breached you can begin the move towards Paris from the south. I have even captured Paris from the south when the German main offencive was stopped.

If the mountain line is breached early Germany/Italy has alot easier to conquer France if they prefer than over Vichy.

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Oh, I agree that France has to defend the Italian border.

What I do not agree with is putting sufficient French troops along the border to attack in the mountains on, say, 2 Italian corps defending the passes. The farther the French go into Italy, the farther they are from supporting the very serious attack by Germany through Belgium.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

it is also nice to break down the CAV and then you can cover all four hexes and stop the ooze from even starting without a land attack.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

it is also nice to break down the CAV and then you can cover all four hexes and stop the ooze from even starting without a land attack.

Good idea.

But... heu... are you sure you can breakdown the CAV ? It has 3 combat factors, so the sum of both broken down DIV have to be less than 1.5.

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

it is also nice to break down the CAV and then you can cover all four hexes and stop the ooze from even starting without a land attack.

Good idea.

But... heu... are you sure you can breakdown the CAV ? It has 3 combat factors, so the sum of both broken down DIV have to be less than 1.5.

As of now MWiF rounds that 1.5 up to 2. CiF did the same. The RAW example also says round up on the fraction. When recombining on the other hand it rounds down - a 2 factor and a 4 factor can only become an 11 factor corps. This difference may be a problem with MWiF when both Div's have been killed and the game should replace the source Corps into the general forcepool again.

Lars

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

it is also nice to break down the CAV and then you can cover all four hexes and stop the ooze from even starting without a land attack.

Good idea.

But... heu... are you sure you can breakdown the CAV ? It has 3 combat factors, so the sum of both broken down DIV have to be less than 1.5.

As of now MWiF rounds that 1.5 up to 2. CiF did the same. The RAW example also says round up on the fraction. When recombining on the other hand it rounds down - a 2 factor and a 4 factor can only become an 11 factor corps. This difference may be a problem with MWiF when both Div's have been killed and the game should replace the source Corps into the general forcepool again.

Lars

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ORIGINAL: brian brian
earlier this year I had been daydreaming about a neutral Italy attacking Greece on it's own, before being at war with the west. Until I realized the heavy downsides ... the CW would have an easy time of landing four corps, probably generating a US Entry chit, and aligning Yugoslavia as well.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

note that on the first two turns, Italy might not actually need the resource from Sardinia. 50% of 3 Production Points creates 2 Build Points just the same as 50% of 4 Production Points. One more excellent detail I would have never realized if Patrice hadn't pointed that out on here once. Now that is assuming Italy will save the Rumanian oil on the first two turns. If Italy wants to use that in production to get 5 Production Points and 3 Build Points on the first turn for interesting builds like laying down a new AMPH, then they will need the Sardinian resource.

I think the AI should pick out Italy's first turn strategy, and THEN select a convoy deployment to match.

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ORIGINAL: peskpesk
Base Convoy Deployment %
Route 1 35%
Route 2 25%
Route 3 5%
Route 4 5%
Route 5 25%
Route 6 5%

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

... I would decrease Route 5 to as low as 5%, and increase Route 6 (which is as good, even better, than Route 1 as it supplies Tripoli plus takes the Sardinia resource with only 1 CP) to as much as 25%.