Slitherine

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ORIGINAL:  Froonp

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ORIGINAL:  Extraneous

Froonp Post #132 shows no factory in Ottawa, Canada or Victoria, Canada while Froonp Post #138 does. This is also true for Karachi, India.

Is this correct?

The green factories that appear on some paper maps are only in use in after WW2 scenarios (AiF & PatiF). They don't exist in MWiF (for the moment) because MWiF for the moment only have the WiF FE scenarios, and not the AiF & PatiF ones.

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ORIGINAL:  brian brian

oh I can't resist. Extraneous, you forgot that England has two resources so if you get 16 resources to England you can actually save an oil and fill 17 factories. ERROR Same for India filling it's two factories with no shipping required, and your Canada quibble has another ERROR because the Canada line does list 3 tankers. And it's pointless worrying about each and every oil, several of them have to be spent on units each turn as the majority of players use the optional requiring that. And I can see that you listed the internal English production a few lines up from that. But quibbling over these tiny points is a complete waste of time.

Anyway Extraneous, we would be glad to answer any question you have about the game any time. But not if you want to argue about what the definition of "is" is though I think you might be too young to know that quote and anyway only politically aware Americans would catch that reference from the late mid 90s. Seriously, just relax and discuss the game like the rest of us instead of trying to comb out some tiny mistaken mistake in everyone else's posts.

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22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76) ~ Tankers ~ Oil-carrying tankers are a special kind of convoy. They are treated as convoy points for all purposes unless otherwise indicated below. Only tankers can transport oil resources overseas and only convoys may transport non-oil resources or build points overseas.

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Option 14: Each oil marker you place on the map costs 1 build point. It is free to increase the value of the marker (up to their maximum value of 4 oil). Please note that this means it is in your interest not to use up that last barrel of oil in a particular hex if there is any other source of supply. Neutral major powers (like all others) may now save any number of oil per turn.

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Option 29: (Food in Flames) For each of Australia, Canada, India and South Africa where no resources are transported to a factory in Great Britain this turn, reduce the number of resources that did reach a useable factory in Great Britain this turn by two (minimum 0). The Commonwealth player chooses which resources are lost.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Total resources 30
3 Oil (Burma 1 OIL, Canada 1 OIL, and Port of Spain 1 OIL)
6 Oil in trade agreements (NEI 2 OIL, Persia 1 OIL, Venezuela 3 OIL)
21 Non-oil Resources (3 in Australia, 1 in British Guyana, 5 in Canada, 1 in Cyprus, 4 in India, 2 in Malaya, 1 in North Rhodesia, 2 in South Africa, and 2 in UK)


Total factories 22 (1 Australia, 2 Canada, 2 India, UK 17):
Australia: Melbourne (164 174) Red
Canada: Montreal (58 315) Red and Toranto (60 310) Blue
India: Calcuta (92 116) Red and Bombay (97 100) Blue
United Kingdom: Belfast (43 24) Blue, Birmingham (47 26) Red, Birmingham (47 26) Blue, Coventry (47 27) Blue, Glasgow (42 26) Red, Glasgow (42 26) Blue, Hull (45 28) Blue, Leeds (45 27) Blue, Liverpool (46 26) Blue, London (49 28) Red, London (49 28) Blue #1, London (49 28) Blue #2, Manchester (46 27) Red, Manchester (46 27) Blue, Newcastle (43 27) Blue, Sheffield (46 28) Blue, and Southampton (50 26) Blue

Optional rules

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22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76) ~ Tankers ~ Oil-carrying tankers are a special kind of convoy. They are treated as convoy points for all purposes unless otherwise indicated below. Only tankers can transport oil resources overseas and only convoys may transport non-oil resources or build points overseas.

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Option 14: Each oil marker you place on the map costs 1 build point. It is free to increase the value of the marker (up to their maximum value of 4 oil). Please note that this means it is in your interest not to use up that last barrel of oil in a particular hex if there is any other source of supply. Neutral major powers (like all others) may now save any number of oil per turn.

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Option 29: (Food in Flames) For each of Australia, Canada, India and South Africa where no resources are transported to a factory in Great Britain this turn, reduce the number of resources that did reach a useable factory in Great Britain this turn by two (minimum 0). The Commonwealth player chooses which resources are lost.

Here is what I prepose:

Maps
Link to all maps
Burma, India, and Malaya
African Maps

Rail Lines
Middle East #1 ==> Basra, Iraq ==> Baghdad, Iraq ==> Mosul, Iraq ==> Alexandretta, Turkey ==> Aleppo, Syria ==> Tripoli, Syria ==> Demascus, Syria ==> Haifa, Palestine ==> Tel Aviv, Palestine ==> Jaffa, Palestine ==> Port Said, Egypt ==> Ciro, Egypt
Middle East #2 ==> Basra, Iraq ==> Baghdad, Iraq ==> Mosul, Iraq ==> Alexandretta, Turkey ==> Aleppo, Syria ==> Tripoli, Syria
Southern Africa #1 ==> Durban, South Africa ==> Pratoria, South Africa ==>Bulawayo, Southern Rodesia (CW) ==> Lusaka, Nouthern Rodesia (CW) ==> Ndola, Nouthern Rodesia (CW) ==> Elisabethville, Belgian Congo (Be) ==> Port Franqui, Belgian Congo (Be) ==> Leopoldville, Belgian Congo (Be) ==> Boma, Belgian Congo (Be) = 0 CP
Southern Africa #2 ==> Durban, South Africa ==> Pratoria, South Africa ==>Bulawayo, Southern Rodesia (CW) ==> Lusaka, Nouthern Rodesia (CW) ==> Ndola, Nouthern Rodesia (CW) ==> Elisabethville, Belgian Congo (Be) ==> Nova Lisboa, Angola (Pt) ==> Benguella, Angola (Pt) = 0 CP
Spain #1==> Cartagena, Spain ==> Madrid, Spain ==> Lisbon, Portugal

OIL Toral 10 Tankers (9 0IL)
Burma to India saved OIL (1 OIL) --> Bay of Bengal --> your choice any city in India = 1 Tanker
Canada saved OIL (1 OIL) --> your choice any city in Canada = 0 Tankers
NEI to Perth, Australia by rail to Canberra, Australia saved OIL (2 OIL) --> East Indiana Ocean --> Cape Naturaliste --> Perth, Australia ==> rail to Canberra, Australia = 4 Tankers
Persia by rail to Egypt saved OIL (1 OIL) ==> By rail Middle East #1 = 0 Tankers
Port of Spain to Canada saved OIL (1 OIL) --> Caribbean ==> By rail through USA --> your choice any city in Canada = 2 Tankers
Venezuela to Canada saved OIL (3 OIL) --> Caribbean ==> By rail through USA --> your choice any city in Canada = 3 Tankers


Resources Total 64 CP (20 RP) 7 CP's Reserve
21 Non-oil Resources (Australia 3 RP, British Guyana 1 RP, Canada 5 RP, Cyprus 1 RP, India 4 RP, Malaya 2 RP, North Rhodesia 1 RP, South Africa 2 RP, and UK 2 RP)


Australia Total 8 CP
Produce 1 PP at Melbourne using local RP (1 RP) = 0 CP
Australia to UK (1 RP) --> Cape Naturaliste --> West (can't find a map giving names of the 2 sea zones) --> Mozambique Channel ==> By rail Southern Africa #1 --> By sea Gulf of Guinea --> Cape Verde --> Cape St Vincent --> Bay of Biscay = 8 CP (this takes less CP's than a convoy line from Australia through Canada)
Australia unused (1 RP) = 0 CP

British Guyana Total 4 CP
British Guyana to UK (1 RP) --> Mouth of the Amazon --> Cape Verde Basin --> Cape St Vincent --> Bay of Biscay = 4 CP

Canada Total 9 CP
Produce 1 PP at both at Montreal and Toranto using local RP (2 RP) = 0 CP
Canada to UK (3 RP) --> East Coast --> North Atlantic --> Faroes Gap = 9 CP

Cyprus Total 3 CP
Cyprus to UK (1 RP) --> Eastern Mediterranean Sea --> Western Mediterranean Sea ==> By rail Spain #1 --> By sea Bay of Biscay = 3 CP

India Total 26 CP
India to UK (1 RP) --> Arabian Sea --> Red Sea --> Eastern Mediterranean Sea --> Western Mediterranean Sea ==> By rail Spain #1 --> By sea Bay of Biscay = 5 CP
India to UK (3 RP) --> Arabian Sea --> Azanian Sea --> Mozambique Channel ==> By rail Southern Africa #1 --> By sea Gulf of Guinea --> Cape Verde --> Cape St Vincent --> Bay of Biscay = 21 CP

Malaya Total 2 CP
Malaya to India (2 RP) Produce 1 PP at both Calcuta and Bombay --> Bay of Bengal ==> By rail India = 2 CP

North Rhodesia Total 4 CP
North Rhodesia to UK (1 RP) ==> By rail Southern Africa #2 --> By sea Gulf of Guinea --> Cape Verde --> Cape St Vincent --> Bay of Biscay = 4 CP

South Africa Total 8 CP
South Africa to UK (2 RP) ==> By rail Southern Africa #1 --> By sea Gulf of Guinea --> Cape Verde --> Cape St Vincent --> Bay of Biscay = 8 CP

8 CP Australia
4 CP British Guyana
9 CP Canada
3 CP Cyprus
26 CP India
2 CP Malaya
4 CP North Rhodesia
8 CP South Africa
64 CP's Total

1 RP Australia
1 RP British Guyana
3 RP Canada
1 RP Cyprus
2 RP India
2 RP Malaya
1 RP North Rhodesia
2 RP South Africa
2 RP United Kingdom=0 CP
15 RP to UK Total

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ORIGINAL: Orm

I think you have to amend your convoy lines to this rule that you do not seem to be aware of.

Cut from 13.6.1 Resources:
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Transporting resources by sea
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You can rail a resource point both before and after shipping it overseas but you can not ship it overseas, then rail it, then ship it overseas again.
Example: You could rail a resource from the east coast of the USA to the west coast and ship it to the USSR via Vladivostok. You could then rail it to Moscow to become a production point. Since it has already moved overseas, you couldn't then rail it to Murmansk and on by sea to Britain.

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ORIGINAL:  morgil

Now, if we could we get back to discussing the pros and cons of alternate convoy lines, I would like to point out that the line from Australia to Canada only shortens the route by 2 and at the same time makes almost sure that 5 convs will be either lost to Japan at a later date, or at the very least is out of the more important theater for a very long time. There was an early post that lauded the stacking of convs in fewer sea areas, and I think that should be the general idea to follow.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous


The problem I see with the French convoy line from Australia to Canada (Post #317) is that it has to be replaced very quickly.


France is more likely to fall before the CW is at war with Japan.

This makes the convoy line a stop gap measure hopefully to be replaced at its earliest with CW CP’s.

The 1 CP in March/April 1940 will not be enough.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

but the Axis will just send a bunch of them to Polynesia too, that's only Free French 20% of the time I think. I use the Australian route, but with CW CPs. I do ship the Indo-China resource all the way to France too, with CW CPs again.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

but the Axis will just send a bunch of them to Polynesia too, that's only Free French 20% of the time I think. I use the Australian route, but with CW CPs. I do ship the Indo-China resource all the way to France too, with CW CPs again.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

though I have no problem with the idea, this is an example of a 'gamey' strategy some people don't want the AI to emulate in other areas, generally for Axis decision points.

I can never remember to do return-to-base moves _before_ the Vichy process, a definite 'duhh' on my part.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

though I have no problem with the idea, this is an example of a 'gamey' strategy some people don't want the AI to emulate in other areas, generally for Axis decision points.

I can never remember to do return-to-base moves _before_ the Vichy process, a definite 'duhh' on my part.

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ORIGINAL: Palle

I am too lazy to read through all posts. But has the "Japan First" Strategy for CW been discussed. Under certain circumstances I was a proponent of that on the mailing list some years ago, but I remember little these days- not having played since 2002 :-(

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Signs of an upcoming Sealion

The CW AIO should keep an eye out for these signs during the first 6 turns of the game.

German/Italian Production
- Starting amphibs
- More importantly, finishing amphibs (many Axis sides start amphibs just to make the CW nervous)
- Starting/finishing transport units
- Building out NAVs (including the Condors)
- Building out twin-engine fighters
- Building Marine and Paratrooper units (corps & divs)
- Finishing naval units (especially German units) in the Construction/Repair pools
- Lack of Barbarossa-type builds

The more the CW AIO sees of this kind of behaviour, the more seriously it should take the notion that an invasion of the UK, whether in Jul/Aug or Sept/Oct 1940, or in spring/summer 1941. Early Marine builds (1939 or JF40) are a big red flag for a 1940 invasion.

Also note that I do not include submarine builds by the Axis in the above list. Axis sides routinely build subs to fight CW convoys no matter what their overall strategy is, so sub builds are not a strong sign of Sealion activity, even if they are unusually heavy.

German/Italian Activity
- Italian ships snuck through the Straits of Gibraltar while Italy is neutral and rebased to Germany after an It DoW. Usually just 1 or both transports due to range requirements.
- France First-syle campaigns (getting the airbases next to UK and the naval access to Bay of Biscay early is gold for 1940 Sealions or just to strangle CW production in preparation for a 1941 campaign).
- If Italy did not commit sealift to the Atlantic, an aggressive Egyptian campaign whose job it is to suck CW reinforcements away from the UK is often in the works. Especially if Germans land.
- Aggressive strategic air raids against the UK.
- Germany is particularly protective of sealift.

The more of these activities the Axis get up to, in combination with their production, the more certain the CW can be that a Sealion is coming.