Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: fuzzy_bunnyy

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

By the way, does WIF FE simply drop BP fractions? For example, do the Chinese, with 7 PP and a 0.25 multiple, only get 1 BP per turn? The rules are unclear to me on this point.

Rule 2.6 Fractions

basically, round to the nearest whole number, and round halves up. on negative numbers rounding "up" moves you closer to zero.

that answer your question? this leads to all sorts of interesting gamey ways to manipulate your production so as to get the most BP from the least amount of PP and to maximize oil, if playing with it.

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I did not see mentioned any USSR assist options, or any BP's or rescources set aside for lend lease.

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There were some AAR's I remember reading about in the ADG WiF annuals that mention some CW forces being sent to Murmansk to free up Soviet units from defensive garrison duty to operate against the Germans on the eastern front. Do you think this strategy should be included in the CW AI?

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An additional concern is the type of units selected within each branch of service. For land offensives, HQ's and armor are needed. For land defense, HQ's, militia, territorials, and garrisons are very good, with infantry and AT a close second. Paratroops and marines are excellent for attacking, if their special capabilities are needed. What I am postulating here is that the strategic objectives (defend Great Britain versus invade continental Europe) dictate which types of land units are selected for construction with the build points allocated to land units.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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An additional concern is the type of units selected within each branch of service. For land offensives, HQ's and armor are needed. For land defense, HQ's, militia, territorials, and garrisons are very good, with infantry and AT a close second. Paratroops and marines are excellent for attacking, if their special capabilities are needed. What I am postulating here is that the strategic objectives (defend Great Britain versus invade continental Europe) dictate which types of land units are selected for construction with the build points allocated to land units.

I'd add that unless the CW is in the ropes, building the MAR, PARA, ENG, and newly available HQ is a must do for the CW.
The CW must become highly aggressive very soon, and so should build all the units that make it offensive at first opportunity.
I'd add, I don't remember if I've already said this, that I think that building 2 AMPH, one first cycle in S/O, and one first cylce in N/D 39 is a must do for CW IMHO.
More, as Composer said in his good production post.

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(Although I still believe that CW must also remember to garrison the pacific and keep in mind that its more important to keep Suez, Malta etc than to take Tripoli or East Afrika in 40 )

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ORIGINAL: Davidt
Hi Steve,

As posted by many others i am very impressed by your progress with MWIF and your updating here at the forums. I am eagerly awaiting the release of MWIF.

I have been reading the forums regularly for a while but havnt really had the time to post - also the posts already made reflect the thought i have on wif (.... and more)

I would like to point out one strategy, well more an oppening move, that we in our WIF group find very beneficial for the CW.

The CW should set-up its carrier fleet in the med, even on malta. In the first impulse CW takes a naval - positions the carrier fleet, protected by the heavy dreadnoughts and the french fleet, to portstrike the italian navy - specfically the 2 transports. This can force the italian to declare war immediately. Which is beneficial for the CW as compared to letting the italian "freely" transport uinits to north africa. The downside is that this can cost a cxarrier or 2 - but as the CW you should be willing to trade navy units with italy.

If italy doesnt declare war on the CW it is worth the Us entry loss to take his transports out with a declaration of war and a port strike.

just my 2 cents

Best regards
David

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God work on your posts, sir.

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"The threat is more powerful than the act." A good thing to keep in mind when playing chess - or WIF.

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ORIGINAL: Davidt
I would like to point out one strategy, well more an oppening move, that we in our WIF group find very beneficial for the CW.

The CW should set-up its carrier fleet in the med, even on malta. In the first impulse CW takes a naval - positions the carrier fleet, protected by the heavy dreadnoughts and the french fleet, to portstrike the italian navy - specfically the 2 transports. This can force the italian to declare war immediately. Which is beneficial for the CW as compared to letting the italian "freely" transport uinits to north africa. The downside is that this can cost a cxarrier or 2 - but as the CW you should be willing to trade navy units with italy.

If italy doesnt declare war on the CW it is worth the Us entry loss to take his transports out with a declaration of war and a port strike.

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2) You have a choice with Italy if you want to declare war or if you want to try to hide your transports in different ports and small targets preferably under some kind of antiair cover.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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2) You have a choice with Italy if you want to declare war or if you want to try to hide your transports in different ports and small targets preferably under some kind of antiair cover.

The Italian can also sail one of its TRS into a Sea Area where the Royal Navy can't harm it.

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(3) sometimes it is safer to be at sea.

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God work on your posts, sir.

Shouldn't there be a question mark at the end? If true, it's no wonder they're excellent.

Cheers, Neilster

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For each strategy there should be a counterstrategy so what to do with the axis if this happens?

Some suggestions:
1) With most of teh allied fleet commited in the med, the Kriegsmarine should get active, punish the CW convoy lines, make an attempt to conquer nethlerlands S/O with assistance from the Sea.
2) You have a choice with Italy if you want to declare war or if you want to try to hide your transports in different ports and small targets preferably under some kind of antiair cover.
3) Depending on USE draw an allied declaration of war against Italy may mean US will never get into the war, so you might want to hold of DOW's on Netherlands & Denmark.

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If italy doesnt declare war!

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ORIGINAL: c92nichj

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If italy doesnt declare war!

Lets assume that you put your transports alone in a small harbour, one preferably stacked with the Skoda 75 AA-gun, who is allowed to shoot even when suprised and aborts two factors on average if 2-3 planes attacks.

There is 10% chance of being rain in the med during impulse 4 but let's disregard that.
It is only 51% chance that CV's will find.
To get 6 Suprise points or more is 31% chance, after AA you would probably have between 5-7 factors. and could possible get an 2X result.
This gives 2% chance of sinking both TRS
4% chance of sinking one and bottoming another
2% chance to bottom both
8% chance to damage one and sink one
8% chance to damage one and bottom the other
8% chance of damaging both
and 69% chance of not doing any harm at all.

Those odds I might be willing to take as the Axis if the wallies will take the USE cost, to help me get italy and the lendlease route open.

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You're precisely right on the last sentence.
About Italy being involved in the war the sooner the better, I'm not sure I agree, because it also mean it produces "high" the sooner, because Germany lends resources sooner.
But you're right, it's subjective and depends on your experience and you playing partners.

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ORIGINAL: Davidt

Froonp while i wholeheartedly agree with you, that when germany lends resources to italy, this makes it tougher for you as the CW player, given that it will probably be you, on the allied side, facing these ressources. But this is mainly because of the bidding you have done, you crave as many objectives as possible for, in this case, the CW.

Will the AIO have the same reasoning? or will the JCS not rather be concerned with the amount of objectives for ALL the allied nations, rather than the specific amount of objectives for 1 of the allies. Personally i think that this is the correct aproach to the AIO. Mainly becuase people playing the AIO will probably be playing solo (why else involve the AIO) and therefore make the same type of valuation i.e. best for whole side (axis or allies) as compared to best for specific Major Power.

I take it there will not be a bidding process for the AIO - influencing its decisions on how the Major Powers act throughout the game. I hope im wrong could be a superb feature.............

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ORIGINAL: Davidt

Excellent - excellent. Will it be possible, in the game setup, to influence this foreign liason unanimous compromise, e.g. by setting a high bid for italy and a comparatively lower for Germany. That is force the AIO to have a favored Major Power.


Only 1 more object on my AIO wishlist
Next thing is youll tell me its a neural network adapting to the human opponents style of play

Cant wait to try this sucker out !!!!!!!!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

LL between Germany & Italy.

c92nichj, did you count in your calculations that Italy gets 0 surprise points on surprise ?
The CW suprise points is then the search dice of the Italian plus the sea box of his planes. This is high and can get some shifts to cancel AA, choose the 3 first targets and augment the colums.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

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There were some AAR's I remember reading about in the ADG WiF annuals that mention some CW forces being sent to Murmansk to free up Soviet units from defensive garrison duty to operate against the Germans on the eastern front. Do you think this strategy should be included in the CW AI?

As for sending troops up to garrison Murmansk - I don't think it's all that great an idea. You have to send an HQ along to do it, which is a tremendous waste of an HQ; the units the USSR will have freed up are usually rubbish anyway; and at the MWiF map scale it is very difficult for the Soviets to keep the rail lines from getting severed but it is equally difficult for the Axis to keep them that way. Plus then you're throwing an HQ and other forces off to some theatre where they're totally out of the way and not presenting a tangible threat to German or Italian interests closer to home. If you're not going to have them on the front lines somewhere then at least keep them in England near AMPHs so you can force the Germans to divert troops away from Russia, which is probably better, given the quality of German forces, than freeing up craptacular 3 combat factor Soviet infantry armies to get ground into dogmeat by Wehrmacht armoured corps.