Slitherine

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warspite1

Out of interest can you let me know your source(s) for that comment? I would have thought its one enormous step for a country like Norway to go from neutrality to the outright joining of one side or other. Would Denmark's invasion have really been sufficient? I would be surprised, but would love to know of any hard evidence to support that view.

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With the outbreak of the Second World War in September 1939, the Norwegian government declared the country neutral in the conflict. Both warring sides subsequently stated that they would respect Norway's neutrality, provided that she protect her neutrality against trespasses by the other side. Koht was clear from early on that Norway should remain neutral, but also that in the event of her being forced to enter the war it was critical that it was on the side of the British.[57]

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In response to the British mining operation on 8 April 1940, the Norwegian government lodged formal protests with the British and French governments, while secretly remaining set on avoiding war with the Allies at all cost. Koht told the Norwegian parliament that he believed that the Allies were trying to bring Norway into the war. The Allied mining of the Norwegian coast coincidentally distracted the Norwegian government from realizing that large German forces had been on their way to invade Norway for several days prior.[62]

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

They need to get the game running by RAW first before entertaining anything about house rules, although technically something could be done with the Swedish resource.

I think there are some built in penalties for the Axis in terms of what chits are in the pool by year. I am not sure, but I think the 1939 chits are bigger on average than the 1940 chits that get added.

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ORIGINAL: PionsWif-Aif-Patif.xls
1939 ~ Markers available 29
Zero x1
1 x9
2 x7
3 x6
4 x6
5 x1



1940 ~ Markers available 53
Zero x4
1 x10
2 x7
3 x3

1941 ~ Markers available 68
1 x1
2 x3
3 x3
4 x4
5 x3
6 x1

1942 ~ Markers available 82
2 x1
3 x3
4 x4
5 x3
6 x3

1943 ~ Markers available 94
3 x1
4 x2
5 x4
6 x5

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Weren't George V, Czar Nicholas, and Kaiser Wilhelm all first cousins?

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: dhucul

I am not saying that Norway would have historically joined the war for sure but what I have read here and in other places is that the Norwegian government was somewhat pro-Allied and would have seen an invasion of Denmark as a real threat. They certainly would have moved toward the Allied camp.

In addition, was the King of Norway not brother to the King of Denmark?

Since there is no way to model levels of alignment to one side or the other really then we just would make Norway go Allied. This would give a real reason to play out some historical consequences.

I guess another method would be for Norway to start shipping their resource to the CW AND stop the 1 Swedish resource in Winter from going to Germany on a Denmark only invasion.

Its just that right now there is no reason for the Axis to invade Norway and that's probably not realistic.

The other situation is the Netherlands.

I am quite sure that Belgium would have quickly moved towards the Allies if Germany attacked only the Netherlands.

Just one guys opinion on how we could better model some of these diplomatic chances in WIF.

SC2 does a good job of this.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Couple of comments.

One of the strengths of WiF is the "what if". There are not a lot of historical "chains" imposed. Just because the Germans invaded Norway in the real war does not mean it should be done every time or most every time in WiF.

Secondly, I don't think you will see any variation of MWiF like this from WiF for a very long, long time, if ever. The case to make Norway more attractive is either going to have to be addressed as house rules between players or the topic needs to be brought up to Harry.