Slitherine

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What does “US entry is low” mean? (A low chance that the USA will enter the war?)

This is somewhat subjective. There are a number of threads on US Entry here. It involves the axis trying to estimate where the U.S. is on the "It's War" chart. The fewer entry chits the US has, the less likely it can successfully attempt a Declaration of War. Also important are which US Entry Options the U.S. has so far selected in the game.

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• US entry is low* + 10%
changed to
• The US entry level against the Euro Axis > than 24 and US war number against the Euro Axis < 5 * + 10%


On the “9.4 IT’S WAR CHART” cross-index the US entry level against the Euro Axis with the US tension level against the Euro Axis to find the US war number against the Euro Axis.

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ORIGINAL: Red Prince

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What does “US entry is low” mean? (A low chance that the USA will enter the war?)

This is somewhat subjective. There are a number of threads on US Entry here. It involves the axis trying to estimate where the U.S. is on the "It's War" chart. The fewer entry chits the US has, the less likely it can successfully attempt a Declaration of War. Also important are which US Entry Options the U.S. has so far selected in the game.

and

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and

• US entry is low* + 10%
changed to
• The US entry level against the Euro Axis > than 24 and US war number against the Euro Axis < 5 * + 10%


On the “9.4 IT’S WAR CHART” cross-index the US entry level against the Euro Axis with the US tension level against the Euro Axis to find the US war number against the Euro Axis.

Will the actual numbers be "available" to the French AIO? Or will it be limited to the number of chits in each pool, as per RAW?

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if the "at war" number is likely to increase then subtract the difference times 20 percent, FREX if it is projected to go from a 2 to a 3, then the factor is -20%

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ORIGINAL: peskpesk

After your comments I have modified the Surrender rule for France suggestion, new version.

Surrender rule for France

Precondition:
- Euro Axis controls at least 8 French printed Factories.
- France controls at least one controls colony to use as new home country

Base: 10%.

Modifications:
• For each additional Euro Axis controlled printed French factory + 5 %
• For each French land unit below 10 in Metropolitan France + 5%
• For each French land unit above 10 in Metropolitan France - 5%
• For each French controlled railed factory in Metropolitan France - 3%
• For each CW/US land unit in Metropolitan France - 2%
• For each Euro Axis controlled minor port in Metropolitan France +1%
• For each Euro Axis controlled major port in Metropolitan France +2%
• For each Euro Axis controlled resource in Metropolitan France +1%
• Game turn Nov/Dec + 10 %
• For each Year > 1940 – 5%
• US entry is low* + 10%
• Germany at war with USSR -10%
• Germany at war with USA -10%
• France controls Toulouse -5 %
• France controls Paris -5 %
• Axis controls Paris +10 %

* if important US Entry Options has not been able to be chosen due to low US entry OR if its low chance that the USA can declare war due to low US entry.

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13.7.1 Conquest
Now choose a new home country for the units of the conquered home country. Conquered Commonwealth home countries can pick another Commonwealth home country (e.g. if Britain is conquered, you could pick Canada as the new home country for British units). Other conquered major power home countries (and Commonwealth if you want), can pick any aligned minor home country. Conquered minor countries can pick either any home country of their controlling major power or any home country that the minor country itself controls.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

I'm not sure the US entry is even a consideration. It is unlikely that the difference of point 9 of a chit (i.e. one chit) is going to have a big effect, especially in 1940 when average chit values are smallest.

(point 9 is because the number is 18 - one chit and 80% chance of a second chit - if France is conquered or Vichied, but this is halved for a surrender)

Another problem for later on in the war, regarding the It's War chart, is that there are times when a higher entry level actually reduces the chance of the US making a successful DoW. However once the US has a chance to enter the war, it would be a mistake to surrender France and give up many potential locations for US troops to land without having to invade. So in summary I'd say:
- make an estimate of the US "at war" number for one more entry chit versus two more
- if the "at war" number is zero (i.e. can't happen) then ignore this factor
- if the "at war" number is likely to reduce even 10% or is currently at 5 or more, do not surrender
- if the "at war" number is likely to increase then subtract the difference times 20 percent, FREX if it is projected to go from a 2 to a 3, then the factor is -20%

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ORIGINAL: WIFFE_RAW-7.0.pdf ~ 13.3.2 US entry options
The US entry options chart lists political choices available to you. Each option is targeted against Japan (Ja), Germany/Italy (Ge/It), or all three (if neither is specified).

If the entry option is aimed at a particular major power, you must move a marker from its entry pool to its tension pool. If there are no markers in the entry pool, the USA can never declare war on that pool’s major power(s).

If the entry option is not aimed at any particular major power, you must move a randomly chosen marker from an entry pool of your choice to any tension pool.

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ORIGINAL: WIFFE_RAW-7.0.pdf ~ 9.4 US entry
There are modifications to the die roll. All modifiers are cumulative:

When attempting to declare war on Germany and/or Italy;
-2 if the UK has been conquered.

When attempting to declare war on Japan;
-2 if China has been conquered.
-1 if China hasn’t been conquered but a Japanese unit is in China.
+2 if the US fleet is not in Pearl Harbor (see 13.3.2, entry option 26).

When attempting to declare war on any Axis major power;
+3 if you have not yet chosen US entry option 34 - Pass War Appropriations Bill (see 13.3.2).
-1 if the USA is at war with any major power.



The US can’t even attempt (see below) to declare war (see 9.2) on an Axis major power if its entry level against that major power is less than 25.

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Paul:

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if the "at war" number is likely to increase then subtract the difference times 20 percent, FREX if it is projected to go from a 2 to a 3, then the factor is -20%

Shouldn't a substantial increase in the likelihood of the US entry when it is still below 40% (or so) increase the likelihood of a surrender?

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

I've read several posts suggesting saving oil in Syria. Well, is it worth the build point to create the oil marker there (assuming you play with option 14: synth oil plants)? I would have thought every bp counts in the defense of Paris...

( It’s all about the 13.5.1 Oil (AfA option 48) )

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ORIGINAL: WiF production Excel worksheet

1939 French Production 5 BP
1940 French Production 7 BP

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ORIGINAL: PionsWiF-AiF-PatiF Excel worksheet

ARM – 6 BP 4 turns
MECH - 6 BP 3 turns
MOT – 3 BP 3 turns
INF – 3 BP 2 turns
GARR – 2 BP 2 turns

Saved oil marker – 1 BP

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ORIGINAL: WIFFE_RAW-7.0.pdf ~ 13.3.2 US entry options

34. Pass War Appropriations Bill (requires option 22)
22. Gear up production (requires a tension level of at least 11 against all major powers on the other side)

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

I've read several posts suggesting saving oil in Syria. Well, is it worth the build point to create the oil marker there (assuming you play with option 14: synth oil plants)? I would have thought every bp counts in the defense of Paris...

( It’s all about the 13.5.1 Oil (AfA option 48) )

While 1 saved oil starts in Metropolitan France (RAW7scenario.pdf). France may want to save oil in Syria to keep their reserve from being over run. It’s up to the French player.

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

I've read several posts suggesting saving oil in Syria. Well, is it worth the build point to create the oil marker there (assuming you play with option 14: synth oil plants)? I would have thought every bp counts in the defense of Paris...

( It’s all about the 13.5.1 Oil (AfA option 48) )

While 1 saved oil starts in Metropolitan France (RAW7scenario.pdf). France may want to save oil in Syria to keep their reserve from being over run. It’s up to the French player.

No, my question relates to option 14, because with that in place it costs 1 build point to create the oil marker in the hex where the oil is saved. I understand why you'd want to save the oil, but I just question whether it's worth the expense of that bp...?

Putting the initial oil in a "safe" place is cheaper than 1 bp, right?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
The way MWIF handles creating saved oil is that each Saved Oil 'unit' has a number on it, reflecting how much oil is being saved in the hex. When you save one oil point in a hex, the unit is created with a number of 1; so no oil is 'lost'. The program imposes the pertinent limits on how much can be saved in each hex.

The WIF FE rules on this are very confusing, mostly due to using printed counters for saved oil points. In MWIF, saved oil and build point 'units' are virtually identical as far as the creation process is concerned.

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Each oil marker you place on the map costs 1 build point.
It is free to increase the value of the marker.

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
The way MWIF handles creating saved oil is that each Saved Oil 'unit' has a number on it, reflecting how much oil is being saved in the hex. When you save one oil point in a hex, the unit is created with a number of 1; so no oil is 'lost'. The program imposes the pertinent limits on how much can be saved in each hex.

The WIF FE rules on this are very confusing, mostly due to using printed counters for saved oil points. In MWIF, saved oil and build point 'units' are virtually identical as far as the creation process is concerned.

That sounds to me exactly the way the RAW treats saving oil when using option 31 but not using option 14. By RAW you are allowed to create your own oil markers, so you're not limited by the counters available. However, with option 14 (i.e. playing with synth oil) you have to invest 1 bp whenever you save oil where there's no oil stored already. I guess that symbolises the cost of constructing storage tanks etc.

13.5.1 Option 14:

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Each oil marker you place on the map costs 1 build point.
It is free to increase the value of the marker.

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

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ORIGINAL: Dr Deo

I've read several posts suggesting saving oil in Syria. Well, is it worth the build point to create the oil marker there (assuming you play with option 14: synth oil plants)? I would have thought every bp counts in the defense of Paris...

( It’s all about the 13.5.1 Oil (AfA option 48) )

While 1 saved oil starts in Metropolitan France (RAW7scenario.pdf). France may want to save oil in Syria to keep their reserve from being over run. It’s up to the French player.

No, my question relates to option 14, because with that in place it costs 1 build point to create the oil marker in the hex where the oil is saved. I understand why you'd want to save the oil, but I just question whether it's worth the expense of that bp...?

Putting the initial oil in a "safe" place is cheaper than 1 bp, right?

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ORIGINAL: WIFFE_RAW-7.0.pdf ~ 13.5.1 Oil (AfA option 48) ~ Page 36

If you are playing with this option, you only automatically turn units face-up during the final reorganisation step if they are not oil dependent. To flip oil dependent units, you must spend oil resources. Oil dependent units are shown on the Unit costs chart (see 28).

You can only use your own oil to flip your units face-up. Even oil controlled by co-operating major powers can’t help. However, communist and nationalist Chinese can use each other’s oil. You do not have to transport the oil anywhere. But you must be able to trace a path from the unit to the oil resource. This path is exactly like a basic supply path (including via overseas) (see 2.4.2) except that it can be of any length.

No more than 5 units can trace a path to the same oil resource. Work out how many oil dependent units you want to flip face-up. Each HQ-I counts as 2 units, each HQ-A counts as 3 and each aircraft that takes 2 turns to build counts as half a unit. Divide the total by 5. This is the minimum number of oil resources (whether from the current turn or saved) that you must spend. This means that you can turn 2 units face-up for nothing (because 0.4 rounds to zero).

If 3 or more units trace a path to the same oil resource, you must spend that resource. This may mean that you will have to spend more oil resources than the minimum number.

Example: You have only 2 oil resources and 6 face-down oil dependent units. You will have to spend a minimum of 1 oil resource to flip them face-up because 6/5 = 1.2, which rounds to 1. You will only have to spend the minimum if 4 or 5 of the units can trace a path to the same resource. But suppose that 3 units can only trace to 1 of the resources and the other 3 can only trace to the second resource. In that case, you would have to spend both resources to f lip all 6 units face-up.

SiF option 9: Each naval unit (CVPiF/SiF option 56: or carrier plane) you turn face-up counts as half a unit and each convoy point counts as a quarter of a unit.

CLiF option 75: Each CA or CL you turn face-up counts as a quarter of a unit.

Saved oil resources (AfA option 31)

You can save oil resources you used neither in production nor to reorganize units. A major power can only save oil if it was transported to a city or port it controls. Put an oil resource marker on that city or port to indicate how many oil resources you are saving there.

You may save only 1 oil marker (of any value) in each city or port (cumulative) you control and double these limits in your major power’s capital (e.g. The Commonwealth can save 16 oil (4 x 4) in London). You can’t save other resources. This is in addition to saved build points (see 13.6.8).

You can use saved oil resources either to reorganise units or as resources for production. Treat them exactly like printed oil resources.

You transport oil like any other resource (see 13.6.1) except that they may be transported to cities and ports that are not factories. Of course, it still has to get to a factory to be used for production. Neutral major powers can only save one oil per turn (in addition to their previously saved oil).

If one of your land units enters a hex containing saved enemy oil resources, they become your oil resources.

Saved oil resources can be destroyed by strategic bombardment (see 11.7).

Option 14: Each oil marker you place on the map costs 1 build point. It is free to increase the value of the marker (up to their maximum value of 4 oil). Please note that this means it is in your interest not to use up that last barrel of oil in a particular hex if there is any other source of supply. Neutral major powers (like all others) may now save any number of oil per turn.

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ORIGINAL: WIFFE_RAW-7.0.pdf ~ 13.6.1 Resources

Resources are printed on the map. The total resources in each country are recorded on the factory and resources table.

There are two types of resources - general resources and oil resources. Oil and general resources are the same, except for strategic bombardment (11.7) and the optional oil rule (AfA option 48 ~ see 13.5.1).

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Is this right?

Free-French Chart* (Administration group: Die (% chance to become Free French))
Morocco (Capital: Rabat), Algeria (Capital: Algiers), and Tunisia (Capital: Tunis): 10 (10%)

French West Africa (Capital: Dalar): 9–10 (20%)

Syria (Capital: Damascus): 9–10 (20%)

French Indo-China (Capital: Hanoi): 9–10 (20%)

Madagascar (Capital: Antanarivo): 8–10 (30%)

All Asian map minors & territories: 7–10 (40%)

French Equatorial Africa (Capital: Libreville): 3–10 (50%)

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All Pacific map minors & territories: 2–10 (60%)

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous
New Caledonia (territory Pacific map). Are the French Islands near by part of New Caledonia?

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Free-French Chart* (Administration group: Die (% chance to become Free French))
1) Morocco (Capital: Rabat), Algeria (Capital: Algiers), and Tunisia (Capital: Tunis): 10 (10%)

2) French West Africa: 9–10 (20%)
French Guinea (Capital: Konakri), French Sudan (Capital: Bamako), Ivory Coast (Capital: Bingerville), Niger Colony (Capital: Niamey), Senegal (Capital: Dakar), Togo & Dahomey (Capital: Togo), Upper Volta (Capital: Oungadougou), and Mauretania (Capital: St. Louis)

3) Syria (Capital: Damascus): 9–10 (20%)

4) French Indo-China (Capital: Hanoi): 9–10 (20%)

5) Madagascar (Capital: Antanarivo): 8–10 (30%)

6) All Asian map minors & territories: 7–10 (40%)
None

7) French Equatorial Africa: 3–10 (80%)
Chad (Capital: Fort Lamy), Ubangi-Sharie (Capital: Bangui), Cameroons (Capital: Younde), Gabon (Capital: Libreville), Middle Congo (Capital: Brazzaville).

8) All Pacific map minors & territories: 2–10 (90%)
New Caledonia (territory) and French Pacific islands

9) All other territories & minors: 9–10 (20%)
French Guyana (Capital: Cayenne) (South America map) and all French islands on the Americas map.


French Somaliland (Capital: Jibuti) is on the east side of Africa so shouldn't it be part of the French Equatorial Africa or Asian Map admin group?

// ****************************************************************************
function VichyGroup(const Country: TGovernedArea): TVichyGroup;
var
  MinC: TMinorCountry;
begin
  MinC := TMinorCountry(Country);

  if MinC.ID in Game.MetropolitanVichyFrance then Result := vgVichyFrance
  else if MinC.ID in [Morocco.ID, Algeria.ID, Tunisia.ID] then Result := vgMorocco
  else if MinC.ID = Syria.ID then Result := vgSyria
  else if MinC.ID = FrenchIndoChina.ID then Result := vgIndoChina
  else if MinC.Africa and (Country is TMinorCountry) then
  begin
    if MinC.ID = Madagascar.ID then Result := vgMadagascar
    else if MinC.Capital.X >= 35 then Result := vgEAfrica
    else Result := vgWAfrica;
  end
  else if MinC.Asia then Result := vgAsia
  else if MinC.Pacific then Result := vgPacific
  else Result := vgOther;             // Europe and the Americas.
end;
// ****************************************************************************

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Thank you for the code.

I have looked for readable WiF FE maps on the web and the best I can find is VASSAL.

VASSAL doesn't differentiate the maps nor bother with the WiF scenario setups.


My question remains:

French Somaliland (Capital: Jibuti) is on the east side of Africa so shouldn't it be part of the French Equatorial Africa or Asian Map admin group?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Thank you for the code.

I have looked for readable WiF FE maps on the web and the best I can find is VASSAL.

VASSAL doesn't differentiate the maps nor bother with the WiF scenario setups.


My question remains:

French Somaliland (Capital: Jibuti) is on the east side of Africa so shouldn't it be part of the French Equatorial Africa or Asian Map admin group?

It's a minor country in Africa and its capital is in a high numbered column (far east), so it is in the East Africa group in MWIF.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
This is not so for the board game. Because the Admin Groups are marked on the map and French Somaliland is not in any of the other African ones, its fate is determined by the "all others" roll.

Often it has already been conquered by Italy anyway.

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Free-French Chart* (Administration group: Die (% chance to become Free French))
1) Morocco (Capital: Rabat), Algeria (Capital: Algiers), and Tunisia (Capital: Tunis): 10 (10%)

2) French West Africa: 9–10 (20%)
French Guinea (Capital: Konakri), French Sudan (Capital: Bamako), Ivory Coast (Capital: Bingerville), Niger Colony (Capital: Niamey), Senegal (Capital: Dakar), Togo & Dahomey (Capital: Togo), Upper Volta (Capital: Oungadougou), and Mauretania (Capital: St. Louis)

3) Syria (Capital: Damascus): 9–10 (20%)

4) French Indo-China (Capital: Hanoi): 9–10 (20%)

5) Madagascar (Capital: Antanarivo): 8–10 (30%)

6) All Asian map minors & territories: 7–10 (40%)
None

7) French Equatorial Africa: 3–10 (80%)
Chad (Capital: Fort Lamy), Ubangi-Sharie (Capital: Bangui), Cameroons (Capital: Younde), Gabon (Capital: Libreville), Middle Congo (Capital: Brazzaville).

8) All Pacific map minors & territories: 2–10 (90%)
New Caledonia (territory) and French Pacific islands

9) All other territories & minors: 9–10 (20%)
French Somaliland (Capital: Jibuti) (Africa map), French Guyana (Capital: Cayenne) (South America map), and all French islands on the Americas maps

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Thank you for the code.

I have looked for readable WiF FE maps on the web and the best I can find is VASSAL.

VASSAL doesn't differentiate the maps nor bother with the WiF scenario setups.


My question remains:

French Somaliland (Capital: Jibuti) is on the east side of Africa so shouldn't it be part of the French Equatorial Africa or Asian Map admin group?

It's a minor country in Africa and its capital is in a high numbered column (far east), so it is in the East Africa group in MWIF.

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So there are no minors or territories on the Asian map?

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ORIGINAL: RAW7scenario.pdf

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76): and tanker) points.