Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: RAW7scenario.pdf

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76): and tanker) points.

After having set up your units can the French TRS (if they have the movement points and range) in 24.4.7 The Global war: Sep/Oct 1939 ~ Jul/Aug 1945: load an INF unit, move 2 sea zones, and enter a port. Or do they have to stay at sea?

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ORIGINAL: Beryl

NOPE. You can't stay at sea anyway at the end of a turn when transporting units, and the setup rule restrict it the a naval move out to sea (i.e only) with your naval units (i.e only).
This is not a serious pb as you can setup the french TRS with the INF (or TERR I suppose) you want to move and you will have plenty of time to do it in first S/O 39 turn, and without many riskq on 1st allied impulse.

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ORIGINAL: RAW7scenario.pdf

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76): and tanker) points.

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ORIGINAL: Beryl

NOPE. You can't stay at sea anyway at the end of a turn when transporting units, and the setup rule restrict it the a naval move out to sea (i.e only) with your naval units (i.e only).
This is not a serious pb as you can setup the french TRS with the INF (or TERR I suppose) you want to move and you will have plenty of time to do it in first S/O 39 turn, and without many riskq on 1st allied impulse.

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ORIGINAL: RAW7scenario.pdf

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76): and tanker) points.

I see what you mean.

TRS with cargo cannot remain at sea but if the TRS was empty it could.

It would have made things easier if it were just treated as a pre-turn naval move.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Beryl

NOPE. You can't stay at sea anyway at the end of a turn when transporting units, and the setup rule restrict it the a naval move out to sea (i.e only) with your naval units (i.e only).
This is not a serious pb as you can setup the french TRS with the INF (or TERR I suppose) you want to move and you will have plenty of time to do it in first S/O 39 turn, and without many riskq on 1st allied impulse.

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ORIGINAL: RAW7scenario.pdf

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76): and tanker) points.

I see what you mean.

TRS with cargo cannot remain at sea but if the TRS was empty it could.

It would have made things easier if it were just treated as a pre-turn naval move.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Beryl

NOPE. You can't stay at sea anyway at the end of a turn when transporting units, and the setup rule restrict it the a naval move out to sea (i.e only) with your naval units (i.e only).
This is not a serious pb as you can setup the french TRS with the INF (or TERR I suppose) you want to move and you will have plenty of time to do it in first S/O 39 turn, and without many riskq on 1st allied impulse.

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ORIGINAL: RAW7scenario.pdf

After you have finished setting-up, you can make naval moves out to sea with your naval units. Treat this as a naval action you conducted last turn, so the units must finish their move, then drop to a lower sea-box section as if they had stayed at sea last turn (see 13.4 Return to base). Neutral major powers can only make these moves with convoy (22.4.19 Convoys in Flames (CoiF option 76): and tanker) points.

I see what you mean.

TRS with cargo cannot remain at sea but if the TRS was empty it could.

It would have made things easier if it were just treated as a pre-turn naval move.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

You don't need a CP in the Med for that first convoy line, the resource can land at Cadiz and go through Spain.

Personally I like to put almost all the French CPs in the Pacific and use them to ship either Aussie or New Caledonian resources. They'll likely stick around on the Allied side when France falls and if not, they'll be unsuppliable by Vichy. (You can set the CW CPs up to carry the French resources even though they are not yet allied. You can't be lending stuff back and forth yet but nothing stops the transport of French resources on CW CPs at turn-end.)

The nice thing about Free French ships of any type is they can be moved without taking CW or US Navals or Combineds. I especially like to have them get TRS and Amphs.

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15. Resources to western Allies - The US can give up to 5 resources per turn each to the Commonwealth and France in future turns (unlimited while the USA is at war with Germany). US convoy points CAN'T be used to transport these resources while the US is a neutral major power.

27. Lend lease to western Allies - The US can give up to 5 build points a turn (see 13.6.4 Lend lease) to each of the Commonwealth and France in future turns (unlimited while the USA is at war with Germany). You can only choose this option if you have already chosen entry option 15. Resources to western Allies. US convoy points CAN'T be used to transport these build points while the US is a neutral major power.

How you transport resources is described later (see 13.6.1 Resources and 13.5.1 Oil (AfA option 48)).

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The CP in the Western Mediterranean Sea also supplies the French in Malta.

I agree getting the Free French back in the war helps the CW.

If the USA has chosen...

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The CP that's there to transport the resource from Algeria does that so, no the second one is completely redundant.

Putting a French unit in Malta is certainly a very imaginative strategy

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The CP that's there to transport the resource from Algeria does that so, no the second one is completely redundant.

Putting a French unit in Malta is certainly a very imaginative strategy

Point taken on the redundant CP (one more Free French CP ).

The problem with putting the French in Malta is that the TRS can't reorganize until 13.5 Final reorganization step. So it wouldn't be available to invade Italian ports on the second impulse.

If the French retain the TRS and the INF in Syria you have the same abilities as if you sailed to Marseilles or Toulon without having to reorganize the TRS.

Note to Italian players: put a Land unit in the port that you put your fleet. As the French player I would gladly sacrifice a French INF for the Italian Fleet.

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This should give me just enough CP's to establish a convoy line from French Equatorial Africa to the USA and a small Cruiser force to begin with once Vichy France is established. If the USA player is willing to Lend Lease 1 BP each turn to Free France in 3 turns you could start building a Land unit in French Equatorial Africa.

While in the Pacific nothing much can happen there until the USA enters the war.

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UPDATED VERSION FOR THE FREE FRENCH

Scrap the 1914 TRS it's worthless this gives your average TRS a minimum of move 3 range 3 (you still can't get a TRS out of the Mediterranean if it's loaded).

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If the Italian player has an INF guarding their fleet:

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There are 3 minor ports in the French Equatorial Africa administration group: Pt Norie (Middle Congo), Dualas (Cameroons), and Libreville (Gabon)

So you can only have 6 ships in port in the French Equatorial Africa administration group.

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This should give me just enough CP's to establish a convoy line from French Equatorial Africa to the USA, a modest Cruiser force and the start of a small Free French army. Once Vichy France is established If the USA player is willing to Lend Lease 1 BP each turn to Free France in you could start building units in French Equatorial Africa.

If you have the bad luck to not get French Equatorial Africa to go Free French the Allies will probably take Paris before Vichy can straighten this out.

While in the Pacific nothing much can happen there until the USA enters the war.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Good idea, although you can decide either that France will fall for sure (which this set-up infers) or that you will fight for it tooth and nail and if possible, exchange French ships for Italian ones.

The other problem is when you anticipate Vichy will be declared, ideally you want the Pacific CPs RTB'd before the Axis does it for you and if you want to keep them, they go to New Caledonia (otherwise the Axis will stick them all over the "other" places that are more likely to go Vichy of which Papeete is one).

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I thought we agreed that:
Free-French Chart* (Administration group: Die (% chance to become Free French))
1) Morocco (Capital: Rabat), Algeria (Capital: Algiers), and Tunisia (Capital: Tunis): 10 (10%)

2) French West Africa: 9–10 (20%)
French Guinea (Capital: Konakri), French Sudan (Capital: Bamako), Ivory Coast (Capital: Bingerville), Niger Colony (Capital: Niamey), Senegal (Capital: Dakar), Togo & Dahomey (Capital: Togo), Upper Volta (Capital: Oungadougou), and Mauretania (Capital: St. Louis)

3) Syria (Capital: Damascus): 9–10 (20%)

4) French Indo-China (Capital: Hanoi): 9–10 (20%)

5) Madagascar (Capital: Antanarivo): 8–10 (30%)

6) All Asian map minors & territories: 7–10 (40%)
Comoros Islands and Reunion Islands

7) French Equatorial Africa: 3–10 (80%)
Chad (Capital: Fort Lamy), Ubangi-Sharie (Capital: Bangui), Cameroons (Capital: Younde), Gabon (Capital: Libreville), Middle Congo (Capital: Brazzaville).

8) All Pacific map minors & territories: 2–10 (90%)
New Caledonia (territory) and all French Pacific islands

9) All other territories & minors: 9–10 (20%)
French Somaliland (Capital: Jibuti), French Guyana (Capital: Cayenne) (South America map) and all French islands on the Americas map

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ORIGINAL: Centuur
For France there is another possibility for setting up the French Cruisers. You can put the Algerie and four three range ones in Madagascar, and sail those to the Pacific (towards Australia and in the return to base step, you put them in New Caledonia/Papeete). The other cruisers can be set up in French Equatorial Africa at start (but save room for the TRS). Saves you the oil moving those there. Together with the CP in the pacific this surely means that all French ships there have the highest possible Free French survival possibility.

The CP in the Western Med for providing supply to French North Africa is only necessary when playing with limited overseas supply. If not, I tend to sail the French BB fleet out there when war comes with the Italians...

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ORIGINAL: Just a to keep everyone on the same page
OVERSEAS SUPPLY PATHS
Any part of a basic or railway supply path can be traced overseas. You may only trace supply overseas once for each unit attempting to trace supply, regardless of how many secondary supply sources are used between the tracing unit and the primary supply source.

The sea portion of a supply path does not count against the maximum number of hexes permitted in the path. The port hex you trace the overseas supply path INTO does count against your 4 hex limit. However it always counts as only 1 hex, regardless of what map it is on or what terrain it contains.

To trace a basic supply path overseas, the unit must be in a coastal hex or trace the path via a port. To trace a railway path overseas, the secondary source must be in a coastal hex or trace the path via a port.

SiF option 11: (limited overseas supply) You can only trace a supply path overseas if each sea area you trace it through contains a friendly convoy, TRS or AMPH.

From the coastal hex or port, you trace the supply path via any number of consecutive sea areas to a friendly controlled port which is a supply source itself or from which you can continue the supply path overland to a supply source.

You cannot trace a supply path into a sea area that contains:
An enemy CV, SCS or aircraft unit with an air-to-sea factor;
Unless it also contains a surface naval unit, or aircraft unit with an air-to-sea factor, (SiF option 11: convoy, TRS, or AMPH only) controlled by any major power or minor country at war with that enemy unit.

You can’t trace a supply path between sea areas if one of your SCS couldn’t move between them (see 11.4.4 Naval movement restrictions). For example, Axis units can’t trace supply between the Western Mediterranean and Cape St. Vincent until Gibraltar is Axis controlled.

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AfA option 10: Territorial units must be set up in their home country. When randomly choosing a territorial to be placed on a map, you must pick a territorial that can set up on that map (e.g. Australians on the Pacific map). If you are playing with the Africa map (AfA/AsA option 1), “Europe” includes the African map.

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24.4.1 Missed the Bus ~ The end of the beginning: Jul/Aug 1940 - Jul/Aug 1945

Free France is aligned with French Equatorial Africa and all French territories on the Pacific map;

Vichy France controls Metropolitan France (south of the Vichy border), and is aligned with Corsica, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Syria, Indo-China, French West Africa, Madagascar and all French territories on the Asian and American maps;

24.4.3 Waking giant ~ The USA enters the war: Nov/Dec 1941 ~ Jul/Aug 1945

Free France is aligned with French Equatorial Africa and all French territories on the Pacific map;

Vichy France controls Metropolitan France (south of the Vichy border), and is aligned with Corsica, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, French West Africa, Madagascar and all French territories on the Asian and American maps;

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AfA option 10: Territorial units must be set up in their home country. When randomly choosing a territorial to be placed on a map, you must pick a territorial that can set up on that map (e.g. Australians on the Pacific map). If you are playing with the Africa map (AfA/AsA option 1), “Europe” includes the African map.

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck


That's the quote I was thinking of and good point that it only applies to Territorials. The more general rule from the Scenario booklet is:
"A set up that specifies “Europe”, “Asia”, “Pacific” or “America” means you can set up the listed units on that map(s)."

Which means the French fleet cannot set up further south than the ports in Morocco.

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Q13.7-17 13.7.5 Q1: Prior to liberation of France is there any penalty for not reverting Vichy controlled territory to Free France?

Q2: After liberation, what are the consequences if the CW does not?

Q3: Is there any penalty for not liberating France other than France now being treated as red for Partisans?

Q1: There is no penalty until Paris is liberated.

Q2: If Free France's allies do not hand back the 1939 French territory they control at that point, they can no longer cooperate with France. Date 06/03/2008

Q3: No. Date 12/05/2008

13.7.5: If they could return territory but do not then they can never co-operate with the liberated major power. 12/05/2008

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

Historically, French Polynesia became Free French in 1940, together with New Caledonia. A percentage of 20% doesn't do justice to this fact... We therefore always played that all French Islands in the Pacific Ocean (independent of the map) are in the New Caledonian group...