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ORIGINAL: Hoche

Forcing access.

10.3.4 FORCIBLE ACCESS [Add]: If a major power is denied voluntary access or
denied desired access conditions, its land forces may still be moved into or
through desired areas by using "forcible access," as follows:

10.3.4.1 [Add]: Forcible access operates under the same restrictions as access
through neutral minor countries (see 10.3.1.1).

10.3.4.2 [Add]: A phasing major power loses one political point per Turn for
_each_ major power's territories in which forcible access is used. _For
example, during a Turn, French counters are moved through some Bavarian and
Saxon areas using forcible access. France loses one political points if both
these minor countries are controlled by Prussia, but loses two political
points if Bavaria is Austrian-controlled and Saxony is Prussian-controlled_.

10.3.4.3 [Add]: The major power controlling territory in which forcible access
occurs may, if desired, _immediately_ declare war and lose the requisite
political points for _each_ separate declaration on any or all of the major
powers using forcible access in its territory, unless prevented by limitation
in 4.2.2.1. This chance to declare war is repeated each time a counter using
forcible access is moved. If war is declared, allies may be called as in 4.3.


Heres the question. In May France forces access into Austrian terrirtory to attack a Prussian army. The rule allows Austria to declare war on France in the May land phase despite an enforced peace. France wins the battle and remains in Austrian territory. Is France considered to be forceing access in June, even if he moves out, allowing Austria a second chance to declare war on France in June?

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ORIGINAL: John Umber

Sidenote: I thought that rule was regarding declaring war on a nation YOU had troops INSIDE...

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ORIGINAL: Hoche

Heres the question. In May France forces access into Austrian terrirtory to attack a Prussian army. The rule allows Austria to declare war on France in the May land phase despite an enforced peace. France wins the battle and remains in Austrian territory. Is France considered to be forceing access in June, even if he moves out, allowing Austria a second chance to declare war on France in June?

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ORIGINAL: Titi

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ORIGINAL: John Umber

Sidenote: I thought that rule was regarding declaring war on a nation YOU had troops INSIDE...

Completly true. Thanks a lot, so French can't declare war to Austria until he exit Austria.

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ORIGINAL: 1LTRambo

The question was not about France declaring war on Austria, but Austria declaring war on France when the intention of France is to leave Austrian territory without war between Austria and France.

10.3.1.2 MAJOR POWER ACCESS: A major power may only move through another major power's territory with that major power's permission (called "voluntary access") or, without permission, if at war with that major power or if peace condition C.5 applies.
10.3.1.2.2 Voluntary Access Limitations: Voluntary access permission might be limited by specifying only certian provinces through which movement is permitted. "Conditional access" is also possible. This is up to the players, who may wish to put the conditions in writing. The player having access must obey the conditions set. The player through whose territory access is desired may set any conditions.

I read these rules as France (in order to attack Prussia) must ask permission from Austria to enter its territory and has to follow the guidelines set down by Austria. If France violates the agreement, then Austria has the right to declare war on France. France, however, can not declare war on Austria if it has troops in Austrian territory as part of "voluntary access" according to 4.2.2.1.

I missread what Hoche wrote in the initial posting. What he listed as 10.3.4 through 10.3.4.2 are not in the rule book and I don't know if what was written was meant to be his suggestion of what should be added to the CEiA game.

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ORIGINAL: Titi

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ORIGINAL: 1LTRambo

The question was not about France declaring war on Austria, but Austria declaring war on France when the intention of France is to leave Austrian territory without war between Austria and France.

10.3.1.2 MAJOR POWER ACCESS: A major power may only move through another major power's territory with that major power's permission (called "voluntary access") or, without permission, if at war with that major power or if peace condition C.5 applies.
10.3.1.2.2 Voluntary Access Limitations: Voluntary access permission might be limited by specifying only certian provinces through which movement is permitted. "Conditional access" is also possible. This is up to the players, who may wish to put the conditions in writing. The player having access must obey the conditions set. The player through whose territory access is desired may set any conditions.

I read these rules as France (in order to attack Prussia) must ask permission from Austria to enter its territory and has to follow the guidelines set down by Austria. If France violates the agreement, then Austria has the right to declare war on France. France, however, can not declare war on Austria if it has troops in Austrian territory as part of "voluntary access" according to 4.2.2.1.

I missread what Hoche wrote in the initial posting. What he listed as 10.3.4 through 10.3.4.2 are not in the rule book and I don't know if what was written was meant to be his suggestion of what should be added to the CEiA game.

The question was not about 10.3.1.2 MAJOR POWER ACCESS but 10.3.4 FORCIBLE ACCESS.
It's indeed not in the original rule but an official errata from the General.