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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 1:34:30 AM   
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I think Terminus wanted to point out he was from Denmark

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 3:38:41 AM   
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I should very much like to point out in the strongest possible terms that I do not, in any way, shape or form, speak English with an American accent!


So are you saying you speak American with an English accent then?

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 4:00:56 AM   
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I speak English with a Chicago accent.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 4:15:47 AM   
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What are the relative day/night experience levels?

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 7:54:40 AM   
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Not sure to which post you are referrring Captain... can you poiint me to the post and I'll see what the levels are next move.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 8:40:41 AM   
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Well.... he is up to something, but at present I have no idea what or where..... the map is completely devoid of any enemy forces at all. I will pprint the combat report in full this time so you don't miss any of the riveting action.......


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/14/24







No mistake, there was absoultely nothing happened.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 5:18:10 PM   
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Not sure to which post you are referrring Captain... can you poiint me to the post and I'll see what the levels are next move.

Roger


Sorry. What I was getting at is perhaps there is a large difference between British and Japanese ship experience levels. That might explain your bad combat results. Or at least the lesser number of hits you seem to get.

In generic WitP the Brit/Jap numbers are about the same. I wondered if they were different in WPO.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 8:47:50 PM   
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Ok, looks like this is the pattern, a day or two of nothing, then frantic action, then a day or two of nothing.... maybe he keeps popping home for his tea and biscuits?



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/15/24

This time its Tainan that gets a visit. I'm seriously outgunned here.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese Ships
BB Kashima, Shell hits 5, on fire
BB Iwami, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
BB Asahi, Shell hits 2
CA Yakumo
DD No.5, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 18
DD Enoki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Nara

Allied Ships
BC Hood, Shell hits 2, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1
BC Renown, Shell hits 4
BC Tiger, hell hits 2
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1
DD Tumult
DD Tuscan, Shell hits 1
DD Vanessa
DD Vanisttart
DD Venomous
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed
DD Wild Swan
DD Witherington


28 hits on me 11 on him, but several of those were penetrating hits that caused reported damage to Hood and Renown. Could have been worse, though I reckon Iwami has had it!
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44
Now I had hopes that the Dds might sneak in and deliver their torps.... lots launched, but no hits!
Japanese Ships
DD Kaki
DD Kuri, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tsuga
DD Kagero
DD Kiku
DD Minazuki
DD Hayate
DD Kikuzuki
DD Urunami
DD Isonami
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
BC Hood, on fire
BC Repulse
BC Renown
BC Tiger
BC Lion, Shell hits 1
BC Princess Royal
DD Tumult
DD Tuscan
DD Vanessa
DD Vanisttart
DD Venomous
DD Whitehall, Shell hits 2
DD Whitshed
DD Wild Swan, Shell hits 1
DD Witherington

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kaki
DD Kuri, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tsuga, Shell hits 1
DD Kagero
DD Kiku
DD Minazuki
DD Hayate
DD Kikuzuki
DD Urunami
DD Isonami
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
BC Hood, on fire
BC Repulse
BC Renown
BC Tiger
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal
DD Tumult
DD Tuscan
DD Vanessa
DD Vanisttart
DD Venomous
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed
DD Wild Swan
DD Witherington

So, what next? Well I predict the Pescadores will be next... and I wonder where his CV is... no sign of anything on the map at all. My southern Tfs at Taytay remain, one BB Tf holds at Manila. The Lingayen BB Tf moves north to try and catch him, and my CV loops round to see whats to the West of Formosa.

Lets see what tomorrow brings?

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 8:49:28 PM   
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Not sure to which post you are referrring Captain... can you poiint me to the post and I'll see what the levels are next move.

Roger


Sorry. What I was getting at is perhaps there is a large difference between British and Japanese ship experience levels. That might explain your bad combat results. Or at least the lesser number of hits you seem to get.

In generic WitP the Brit/Jap numbers are about the same. I wondered if they were different in WPO.


I suspect not, but will need to look when I get a break formt he action. Judging from the hit ratios there may be something in that.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/28/2005 10:02:04 PM   
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16/3/1924

Well, guess what, nothing happens again... Apart that is from me getting a CL in my sights near Hong Kong only to miss with both torpedoes and be attacked by its escorts. Interestingly the report said 2 hits and badly damaged.... when i looked on the screen its got 7 sys damage....

So, is he back in port to relaod then back out again... if so the next battle will be the night of the 17th i reckon and we have a pattern emerging.

Cheers

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/29/2005 4:18:32 AM   
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Terminus probably speaks English with the same accent he speaks Norwegian - like someone speaking with his mouth full of porridge

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/29/2005 6:29:10 AM   
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Excellent AAR. I love the maps you've done.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/29/2005 8:04:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fornadan

Terminus probably speaks English with the same accent he speaks Norwegian - like someone speaking with his mouth full of porridge


No, I don't.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/29/2005 11:15:14 PM   
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In my experience, Scandinavians get nearer to a perfect English accent than anyone apart from the Germans.

Difficult to tell on a message board though ... lol.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/29/2005 11:15:48 PM   
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Anyone checked out the experience levels yet?

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/29/2005 11:46:05 PM   
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I just had a look - both sides seem to average around 70 day experience, 20 night.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/30/2005 12:26:38 AM   
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I didn't want to, I didn't want to tell myself what I was up against! Morale is currently being bolstered by lots of alcohol, don't want to depress myeself further.

Ok, next day brings what I predicted, nothing really. Well three of my subs who are way out near Singapore and Camranh Bay were detected and forced to dive deep to avoid attack, but no damage. And one of them got another CA in their sights and missed with torps.

If String is running to timetable next move will see a major naval action at one of my ports... all three of my main ones have TFs in them, but none are strong enough to withstand a large force of his. To date he's tended to arrive with about 4/6 BBs with a few escorts.

We shall see.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/30/2005 8:47:59 AM   
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Well either I am a day out on estimations or Sting has changed his behaviour. No attacks anywhere and again no sightings of anything. My main activity is to move subs back out of Lingayen, some subs have dreadful ranges and have to pop into port every few days.

I do think he is moving stuff forward from Camranh Bay to Hong Kong as that's been the only real sightings in the last few days. I've ordered my CV TF to investigate... they'll probably say its too windy to fly or something!

I need to take stock of the situation, at present I'm weak and having to defend 3 places at once, but I may settle for assembling most stuff together and striking a killing blow - I suspect he also is spread out.

Certainly things cannot stay as they are, he is well ahead on points so I will have to take a risk at some stage.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/30/2005 10:29:14 PM   
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Okay still relatively quiet, but String has sneaked his CV up close to pescadores to scout and my CV force is now between him and his base. I fancy a CV battle so I have ordered what I hope is an intercept... I need a result here.

During the night I manage to locate and finally strike with a torpedo.

Sub attack at 42,42

Japanese Ships
SS No. 46

Allied Ships
BC New Zealand, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Wolverine
DD Wessex

I also am moving some of my subs back tp pescadores for refuelling, they may also come across the enemy CV TF..







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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 12:24:08 AM   
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Ok, I suggest you sit back and spend a bit of time on this one. certainly its eventful, I will say no more but let events unfold. If you are the impatinet type then you can always scroll down.



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/20/24

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ASW attack at 45,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 32

Allied Ships
DD Valentine
DD Venomous
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed
DD Wild Swan
DD Witherington
DD Vanessa
DD Tuscan
DD Tumult

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ASW attack at 45,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 32

Allied Ships
DD Wessex
DD Westminster
DD Wivern

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ASW attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
SS No. 40

Allied Ships
SC Ch107
SC Ch106
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Sub attack near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 11

Allied Ships
DD Verdun, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Violent
DD Vimy
DD Vidette
DD Yarra
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Sub attack near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 11

Allied Ships
BB Marlborough, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Woolston
DD Wolsey
DD Volunteer
DD Veteran
DD Verity
DD Torbay
DD Vega
DD Vivien
DD Vivacious
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So just the usual jousting between ASW and subs.....

But then out of the night at pescadores charges a DD squadron of the Royal Navy

Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 1
BB Aki, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1
CA Ikoma, Shell hits 1
BB Asahi, Shell hits 3
BB Fuji, Shell hits 3,Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Okinoshima
CA Yakumo
CL Hirado
DD Hamakaze
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 18
DD Nara

Allied Ships
DD Wolfhound
DD Wrestler, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Wryneck, Shell hits 8, on fire
DD Vanisttart, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Wolverine

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Aki
CA Ikoma
BB Asahi
BB Fuji, on fire, heavy damage
BB Okinoshima
CA Yakumo
CL Hirado
DD Hamakaze
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 18
DD Nara

Allied Ships
DD Wolfhound
DD Wryneck, on fire
DD Vanisttart, on fire
DD Wolverine, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 1
BB Aki, Shell hits 1
CA Ikoma, Shell hits 4
BB Asahi
BB Fuji, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 1
CA Yakumo
CL Hirado
DD Hamakaze
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 18
DD Nara

Allied Ships
DD Wolfhound, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Wryneck, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Vanisttart, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu
BB Aki
CA Ikoma
BB Asahi
BB Fuji, on fire, heavy damage
BB Okinoshima
CA Yakumo
CL Hirado
DD Hamakaze
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 18
DD Nara

Allied Ships
DD Wolfhound, Shell hits 15, and is sunk


Sooo - a bit annoying those two torps on my ships, but we sorted them out!
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But hang on, what are this lot up to?
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TF 1003 encounters mine field at Pescadores (47,43)

Allied Ships
DD Wolsey
DD Volunteer
DD Vivien
DD Verity
DD Torbay
DD Veteran, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (hahahahahaha!)

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TF 1010 encounters mine field at Pescadores (47,43)

Allied Ships
DD Wessex



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Day Air attack on TF, near Pescadores at 47,43


Allied aircraft
Fairey IIID x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Fairey IIID: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet
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This is what they were up to, clearing a path for this little lot!
Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Aki, Shell hits 32, and is sunk
CA Ikoma, Shell hits 3
BB Asahi, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
BB Fuji, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
CA Yakumo, Shell hits 1
CL Hirado, Shell hits 2
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD No. 4, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
DD No. 6, Shell hits 1

DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 18, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nara

Allied Ships
BC Hood, Shell hits 2
BC Repulse
BC Renown, Shell hits 5
BC Tiger, Shell hits 4, on fire
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2
BC Inflexible, Shell hits 5
DD Valentine, Shell hits 2
DD Tumult
DD Tuscan, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Vanessa, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Venomous, Shell hits 1
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed
DD Wild Swan, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Witherington, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Note hits on me are normally penetrating, hits on him are normally belt and non penetrating..... I have been crippled here.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
DD Kaki
DD Tsuga, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kagero, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kiku, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Hayate, Shell hits 1
DD Kikuzuki, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Urunami, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Isonami, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
DD Ayanami, Shell hits 1


Allied Ships
BC Hood, Shell hits 6
BC Repulse, Shell hits 2
BC Renown, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BC Tiger, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BC Lion, Shell hits 2
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2
BC Inflexible, Shell hits 1
DD Valentine, Shell hits 2
DD Tumult, Shell hits 2
DD Tuscan, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Venomous, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Whitehall, Shell hits 1
DD Whitshed
DD Witherington, and is sunk

Some payback I reckon
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 9, on fire
BB Fuso, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Settsu, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
BC Kirishima, Shell hits 7, on fire
BC Haruna
CA Kurama
DD No.3, Shell hits 1
DD Isokaze
DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 4, and is sunk


Allied Ships
BB Benbow, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage
BB Empress of India, Shell hits 26, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Erin, Shell hits 16, on fire
BB Canada, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ajax, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (Later sinks)
DD Torbay, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
DD Vega, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Vivacious, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Vivien, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Wolsey, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
DD Verity, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Volunteer, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Some more payback I reckon but again the proportion of my hits bounce off the belt armour, his do not
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43
Now how about this? Screen shot to follow........
Japanese Ships
MSW Hibicki, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
MSW Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AD Rekisan Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
MSW Katoku Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
MSW Natsushima Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
TK Amatsu Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
TK Arima Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
TK Azuma Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
TK Eiyo Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
TK Nissho Maru, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
TK Nissyo Maru, heavy damage

TK Ogura Maru #1
TK Ogura Maru #2
TK Ogura Maru #3
TK Ose
TK Ryuei Maru
TK Rikko Maru
TK Sacramento Maru
TK San Clemente Maru
TK San Diego Maru
TK San Luis Maru
AP Arizona Maru
AK Asahisan Maru
AK Azumasan Maru
AP Bokuyo Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AP Buyo Maru
AP Chojun Maru
AP Haaburu Maru
AP Hakusan Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
AP Hakuyo Maru
AP Hokumyo Maru
AP Hokutatsu Maru
AP Izumo Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
AP Kaedesan Maru
AP Kamikaze Maru, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
AP Kamishima Maru
AK Kanto Maru
AK Katuragi Maru
AP Keizan Maru
AK Kenryu Maru
AP Kiri Maru
AP Kisaragi Maru
AK Kiso Maru
AP Kisogawa Maru
AK Kitahuku Maru
AP Kitano Maru
AP Kiyama Maru
AP Kiyoshima Maru
AK Kiyosumi Maru
AP Kiyozumi Maru
AP Kizan Maru
AK Koyu Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kurama Maru
AP La Plata Maru
AK Maebasi Maru
AK Mito Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AP Ozan Maru, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP Syoryu Maru, Shell hits 44, and is sunk
AP Taiyo Maru, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

AP Tama Maru
AK Kaimei Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
AP Yamura Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire


Allied Ships
BB King George V, Shell hits 1
Thats almost 250 shell hits from one BB.... err is this right? See screen shot The ghost attack
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Not satisfied the b**gers have another go....
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 32, and is sunk
CA Ikoma, Shell hits 32, and is sunk
BB Fuji, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
CA Yakumo, Shell hits 41, on fire, heavy damage
CL Hirado, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD No. 6, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD No. 8, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD No. 12, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD No. 18, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Nara, Shell hits 3, and is sunk


Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 4
BB Revenge, Shell hits 10
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 11
BB Ramilles, Shell hits 14, on fire
BC Australia, Shell hits 6
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 5
DD Wessex, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Westminster, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
DD Wivern, Shell hits 10, and is sunk


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
CA Yakumo, Shell hits 44, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak
BB Revenge
BB Royal Sovereign, on fire
BB Ramilles, on fire, heavy damage
BC Australia
BC Indomitable
DD Wessex, and is sunk
Can I point out that was the remaining ship from the previous round of combat. Again notice I actually scored more hits on the BBs and BCs than he did on mine, but again penetration counts... I seem to have trained my crews to deliberately aim at belt armour always.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Fuso, on fire, heavy damage
BB Settsu, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BC Kirishima, on fire

BC Haruna
CA Kurama
DD No.3
DD Isokaze

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak
BB Revenge
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Ramilles, on fire, heavy damage
BC Australia, Shell hits 2


Quite a tame final round!

Soooo, some reactions.

1. I have never ever wtahced a turn as bloody as this in my life. Its a wonder I am still sane!
2. Anyone come up with a rational explanation for the differences in gunnery?
3. This is the way to kill things, send in multiple Tfs.

I have emailed String the replay so he can enjoy it. I now have to consider what to do. The following reports will illustrate my situation.

Roger

apologies, somewhere i there a stray 'don't turn off colour html was missed out, frankly I cannot be bothered to go look for it. Okay I went back in and found it. I wish there was a better way of editing this then dropping it into here, its a pain this system of html as its so primitve... maybe there is, if so can someone enlighten me?

The ghost attack....






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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 12:30:12 AM   
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Ok question 1, how would you feel now? This the sum total of my aflaot capital ships....








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Question 2. I fyou were the Allies and knew the above, how would you feel about the situation in Pescadores?






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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 12:32:26 AM   
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Question 3. How would you face them with this force that is all i have left there?




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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 12:35:31 AM   
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Ok, it was a first game, and I frankly have been treating it a s a learnign experience. My feelings at the moment are that the experience has come to an end, or will soon do so.

I'd be interested in others opinions of the worth of struggling on.

I'd be even more interested in their opinions of either where I went wrong - so I can do better in future, and perhaps if they think there are issues with balance here.

What strikes me throughout is the difference in hit power of the ships. String has siad elsewhere on this forum that he feels the scenario is somewhat unbalanced....

Ok, I look forward to your comments, feel free, the more the merrier.

I will sleep on this and decide tomorrow what to do.

Please do contribute.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 4:58:13 AM   
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Roger,

My suggestion is to give it a few days to see if you can figure out how badly String was hurt. If it's clear that he won decisively, offer him terms. Then, play the scenario again with sides switched.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 5:09:21 AM   
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quote:

1. I have never ever wtahced a turn as bloody as this in my life. Its a wonder I am still sane!
2. Anyone come up with a rational explanation for the differences in gunnery?
3. This is the way to kill things, send in multiple Tfs.


1. is good, I was hoping the fights would be bloody. Admirals make a difference.
2. I I'll bet that while in tests giving the Brits a *slightly* higher ROF reduced accuracy, here it seems to have backfired. Have tweaked for first patch.
3. Yes sir. 4 TFs of 2 BBs will do more than 1 TF of 8.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 5:13:23 AM   
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As to the ghost attack, that seems to happen when a TF has over 26 ships.

Also, 250 hits from KGV.... totalling her starting Ammo, she has 3 sets of Main Turrets each with 9 ammo, 2 sets of 4 inchers with 30 ammo, 1 set of 13pdrs and 1 of 3pdrs, each with 36 ammo, and a set of AA MGs with 36 Ammo. 36+36+36+30+30+9+9+9 = 195 hits, so some of that had to be FOW... unless it is rounds per gun, then it is over the 250.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/1/2005 10:13:58 PM   
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Ok, a night's sleep and some thinking and here we go again.

For those who would like the full thrill of the replay String has posted a url for it in the main WPO forum. Its worth the viewing, honestly.

Right, what to do. First of all the points.. I was 1000 behind before that move, I am now almost 1500 behind, not such a huge jump considering. The way points accrue for damage makes a difference. I suspect quite a lot of my ships had already gained a lot of damage for him in previous days whereas I hit a lot of undamaged ships - albeit not very hard.I do like the points for damage idea... I wonder if WITP would ever use that?

Ok, whilst I am now convinced that you must operate in optimum Tf sizes I am also convinced that you need to bring a lot of TFs together.... and keep hitting the enemy. So we must concentrate. pescadores is out, and he's welcome to try and invade Formosa.... if he dares. So its all ships to Lingayen.... a central point form which to reorganise and then develop my amazing counterthrust that will wipe him off the seas (well you have to be an optimist don't you?)

Some ships will maybe not make it, but we shall see. I reckong that his ships are all low on ammo now so its a case of get some sea between us first.









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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/2/2005 1:42:57 AM   
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He did have you outnumbered nearly 2 to 1 8 BB and 2 BC versus 10 BB and 9 BC from the RN and he had along his newest most powerfull BB;s and BC's (Weird calling the R class most modern and powerfull !!!At lease 7 of his ships were pure 15" ships) and his DD's managed to light up your fleet before the main action.

Result doesnt seem out of kilter to me !!!!



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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/2/2005 2:05:23 AM   
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Each of his TF's had ships that outranged most of your fleet only Mutsu's 16" guns were able to fight against the 4 R class BB's 15" guns and the 3 big 15" BC'ers.

at 13.5"/14" you had 2 BB's and 2 BC's that join the fight he had 6 more BB's and 2 BC's with 13.5" guns.

So at range 1 v 7
then 5 v 15

the big problem in that fight was that you were outnumbered and slowed down by the DD hits and then your main gun ammo must be running low in your non 12" ships after that many fights especially Mutsu's big 16" ers fighting from range alone in a lot of the fights even when the 12" get into the fight they struggle to penetrate whereas his 13.5" and 15" guns have more stopping power. (Resolutions 15" sunk Musashi in my last WITP PBEM so I KNOW they have a lot of hitting power !!!!!)

Basically range, magazine space, stopping power and numbers were all on his side and he preceeded it with a succsessfull DD attack that made you burn yet more ammo.

For all that you hit several of his ships quite hard I would be happyyou got off so lightly

I really dont think that was an anomolous result.

Seperate question is the scenario balanced with that many modern big gun RN Ships

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