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RE: Bollocks !!! - 3/26/2007 2:12:39 PM   
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I have been really carefull not to go over the score on landing forces in huge numbers any more than 4 Divs on Iwo 'feels' to much.

Equally I have been carefull not to just load 20 Divs and land somewhere but I am fast approaching the limit of my reasonableness lvl 9 forts with 1 prepped Div can and will stop 6 or 7 Divs of allied troops on landing and then PZB will air tran in another Div or two through my CAP making it impossible to take.

Does Toyohara qualify as Home Island ? because I am thinking of taking c 10 Divs thataway......




MM.. no. not in my opinion. But don't take 10, take 20. Overcommit rather than undercommit. From there you can go towards northern Korea, altho the soviets might just beat you to that :D

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RE: Bollocks !!! - 3/30/2007 6:11:00 PM   
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While more a Jap fanboy, let me add an option to your possible destinations: Hangchow and Soochow (right next to Shanghai). I'd consider this option about equivalent to Korea.

These towns put you in range to a lot of valuable targets in Japan, China, Korea and Formosa.
Furthermore, with every day the russian activation comes closer, with an increasing threat for a chinese front in the west (sidenote: I think you should try to march to Hue or at least Pisanuloke or Ubon, threatening Hanoi and Nanning) and a lot of 'historical' targets nearby (Formosa, PI, Okinawa) you might have a chance to land in the back of his main defenses.
The terrain is also advantageous for an invasion (Cc/Cw). From here you can also go on a little endeavour on land (mostly advatageous terrain as well, as opposed to the mountains in Korea) in case your fleet needs a rest or you don't want to do another landing within weeks. Additionally, a force here might also bind some enemies and so help the russians a little bit.

A disadvantage of Hangchow and Soochow is their vincinity to many big enemy bases. Impossible to suppress them all you would face countless Kamikaze attacks and 1000++ attacking planes. From these towns Tokyo&Gumma are only in range of B29s, while from Toyohara or Korea the B24s can get there as well. Another problem might be to get good intel without disclosing your intensions.

Reeinforcements he might try to bring from the PI and Formosa (apart from airlifts and China itself, obviously, and assuming that he won't get shipping from Japan through your fleet in the East China Sea). You bypassed these defensive positions and he might have the shipping to quickly react from there. A carrier group in the South China Sea might interdict shipping or a preemptive strike on the shipping anchored in the respective harbours might trap him there.

Something like 12 Divs + 4/5 Armoured Regts would sound like a good composition to me. About 200k+ Combat Engineers, Base forces, CBs and HQs.
Regarding the attack, 2/3 in Hangchow to take the city fast and 1/3 in Soochow to block reeinforcements from Shanghai and Nanking.


But what do I say, I am just a Jap fanboy who wants to lure you into just another trap

Edit: One more thing: Supplies! Korea as well as Hangchow/Soochow would be more difficult to supply - you will need a huge amount for a big bombing campaign and a little expansion on the ground.

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antiigua - 4/6/2007 3:31:09 AM   
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Edit ok I admit it I was pissed so I have deleted my drunken ramblings from last night !!!

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RE: antiigua - 4/6/2007 3:35:17 AM   
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ps in 112 houras I will probably delete this message after I sober up

I think

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RE: antiigua - 4/6/2007 3:44:54 AM   
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Seriously tyop totty !@!!!

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RE: antiigua - 4/9/2007 7:59:52 PM   
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Yeah thanks for the tips supply are a real issue I had stockpiled a lot of supply in Malaya but it was costly in ships and I cannot keep B29's operating there for ever.

I like the idea but it feels a little deep to me (irony eh me saying its to deep ) ah well I will need to think on it a little

Southern Sakkalin does look to be a good bet as does Formosa

When I return from holiday I will examine all options more carefully

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RE: antiigua - 4/11/2007 10:46:54 PM   
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If you want to play it more safe, in that case Toyohara seems to be certainly the better choice.

Hangchow/Soochow is just meant as an alternative to other deep reaching targets like Korea, Okinawa and Formosa. Especially the latter two, well known as prime targets, will most likely be strongly garrisoned and in Korea he might already gather forces to face the russians.
In China he also can't simply pull everything from the surrounding bases as he still has to meet the garrison requirements, even though these are pretty small in most of these bases.
Regarding reinforcements, he might have to 'buy' them with Political Points if he wants to fly them in (can't air transport Home Defense and China Command troops). This might especially trouble him if you go for Toyohara.

VP-wise (with respect to the bases alone and not counting the annihilation of big ground formations) more points can be won on Sakkalin and Formosa.
Formosas industry could help reduce the strain on your supply chain, assuming you got it fairly intact...

Toyohara is assigned to the Home Defense Forces, so it might(!) trigger whatever there is with respect to special Home Island invasion rules (are there any such rules?!).

The main advantages of Hangchow/Soochow are that you can go somewhere else without yet another invasion just weeks later and the chance that he has only a medium size forces around.

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RE: antiigua - 4/12/2007 7:04:30 PM   
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OK well I am back and bored waiting on turns I have examined all the alternatives and I believe my best bet is an attack on Toyohara see how that goes and then expoit as sees fit

My fleet needs about another month of refit and I grudge every day at this stage but needs must

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RE: antiigua - 4/27/2007 1:35:44 AM   
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Quiet turn while the troops rest up at Bankok

I am waiting for enough carriers to knock some sys damage off and be declared combat ready come on you Yard Dogs I need round the clock 24/7 shifts I want those flat tops back in action

In the meantime my Carrier pilots are training at 60% trying to get a few of the rookies up to 50 xp

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/01/45

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 32
N1K1-J George x 159

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 100

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
24 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
34 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
42 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
40 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
23 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
3 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
3 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
4 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
4 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
5 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 66
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 36
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
39 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
27 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Siemrem Reap , at 30,42


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 27


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 7
P-40N Warhawk x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 22


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
11 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
6 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
3 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,40


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 45
A-26B Invader x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x A-26B Invader bombing at 5000 feet
41 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 x A-26B Invader bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65


Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9
A-26B Invader x 6


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 3 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bonin , at 65,52


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 29
F4U-1D Corsair x 12


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 87


Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
267 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 97

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
A-26B Invader x 27


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A-26B Invader bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Engineer Regiment, at 29,40


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 20


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Ind./A Brigade, at 30,42


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 38
Kittyhawk III x 9
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 14
A-26B Invader x 64


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
304 casualties reported
Guns lost 12

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
64 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
38 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Ind./A Brigade, at 30,42


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 18
SB2C Helldiver x 34
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 12
P-40N Warhawk x 135
P-38J Lightning x 69
P-47D Thunderbolt x 13


Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
318 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
40 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
36 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
15 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
15 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
7 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
7 x P-47D Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
18 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
18 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
6 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
8 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-47D Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
2 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
7 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-47D Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
4 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Ind./A Brigade, at 30,42


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 6
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6
B-25J Mitchell x 25


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
17 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 65th/A Division, at 29,40


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 42
B-25J Mitchell x 34
A-26B Invader x 10


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
146 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
4 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 15000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 65th/A Division, at 29,40


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 6
Beaufighter VIC x 16
P-38J Lightning x 21
B-25J Mitchell x 32
B-24J Liberator x 49
B-29 Superfortress x 52


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
279 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
15 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
19 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 1000 feet
6 x P-38J Lightning bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 37th Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 30,42


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 23


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kompong Chhnang at 29,43

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 2
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 4
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 3 destroyed


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Day Air attack on TF at 66,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 23
A6M5c Zeke x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 13
F6F Hellcat x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 17 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 13 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CVL Cowpens
CV Lexington

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kompong Chhnang at 29,43

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 2
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 4
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 3 destroyed


Allied Ships
AK Megrez

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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 26,68


Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 9
Kittyhawk III x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kunimitsu Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
1 x Boomerang II bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Boomerang II bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Boomerang II bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Bangkok

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 96372 troops, 745 guns, 100 vehicles, Assault Value = 2117

Defending force 46758 troops, 224 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 847


Japanese ground losses:
409 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 7


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Ground combat at 27,39

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30831 troops, 415 guns, 270 vehicles, Assault Value = 949

Defending force 20 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied max assault: 566 - adjusted assault: 897

Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 897 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Siemrem Reap

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 33838 troops, 348 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 959

Defending force 20686 troops, 178 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 469


Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Kompong Chhnang

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16535 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 393

Defending force 148 troops, 1 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied max assault: 399 - adjusted assault: 362

Japanese max defense: 9 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 362 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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RE: antiigua - 4/27/2007 10:35:09 AM   
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As longer I look at the situation at Iwo, the more I think it wasn´t a mistake.
You forced him to bring in reserve troops, supply them, care for them etc at an almost isolated base, where you can bomb him at will. All his forces there are lost plus the supply he brought in. In two months you will be able to secure Iwo and he has sacrificed all his transport planes and ships for nothing but delaying the inevitable.
You should now bring supplies to the bases near Iwo so you can support your heavies for a long campain.
You will hit lots of good enemy fighters there, so you might want to start nightbombing his cities (burn them)? I´ve read that starting firestorms is the most potent way of destroying enemy industry.
Do you think you could start a mining campain against his ports? Should make him burn fuel.

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Iwo - 4/28/2007 3:33:41 PM   
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Hmmm I hope you are right I just think I tried to rush it.

I n eed to wait 6 weeks for my next big adventure but troops and ships are slowly assembling

I am supplying Marcus but none of my heavies can reach Japan yet but it is coming !!!!

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RE: Iwo - 4/30/2007 1:15:44 AM   
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Next couple of turns are quiet I am clearing his blocking forces west of Bankok and I will have a further 30,000 men to aid with the final assault.

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RE: Iwo - 4/30/2007 2:57:05 PM   
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OK what to do next in the West.

Assuming my additional 30,000 men allow me to take Bangkok and link up with the landing force in the South where do I go next ?

The base I really want is the one between Hanoi and Saigon its a big AF potentially in range of a lot of Industry.

Another amphib is a possibility but the fear of landing into another set of lvl 9 forts holds me back.

I could just link up my forces and then order a mass attack down the rail line but the battle at Bankok is weakening my forces so I am not sure what to do.

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RE: Iwo - 4/30/2007 6:32:26 PM   
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RE: Iwo - 5/7/2007 1:10:03 PM   
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OK 10 days have passed and apart from repeated shock attacks at Bankok not much has happened PZB performed a surface raid at Marcus and ran into a small DD Sqn led by Tromp.

Bankok fell yesterday after a hard fought battle the Battle Honour will be added to the roll of honour of the Australian Army - But the army is wrecked my plans for SEA conquest are on hold the army needs 3 weeks to refit the armour is in good shape but the inf got chewed up in the fight for the city.

My Armour pursued but I have decided not chase him down.

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RE: Iwo - 5/15/2007 7:20:42 PM   
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OK some more info things have went well in the last few days I will get back to daily updates next week when things calm down at work.

Western Theatre

The Australian Army resting from its victory in the Battle of Bangkok has not pursued the Japanese North insead I recalled the armour as it was in reasonable shape compared to my gutted Inf Divs.

I ordered most of the Armour and all Arty and AA to move South to join the force besieging Sieman after two days the bridghead was linked with 1st Aus Army with the armoured spearhead from 1st Army the US Corps broke through at Sieman in a single day !!!!

Armour let lose in open country for the first time pursued with a vengeance  500 Tanks bouced the japanese out of Kratie and then out of Pnom Penh

Follow up forces of 1st US Cavalry Div crossed the river securing a foothold threatening Bien Po.

All th etime the Aussies are resting in Bangkok and reorganising a fresh Aus Div (3rd) was brought up to Bangkok to spearhead the next attack.

The plan is as follows

4 Aus Light Armoured Regts in Stuarts are driving on Ubon supported by 2 Seabee Bns a base force and 3rd Aus Div.

2 Parachute Bdes are prepped for Ubon and ready to drop in if required.

After Ubon is secured it is my Intention to mount a seaborne invasion of either northern French Indo China around Hanoi, or around Hue or on the Island of Hainan

Hanoi is risky as its close to training areas so my B29's have been resting as they will be required for AF suppression if I go that route.

If this works I will pincer the Japanese forces in French Indo China and can eliminate them at my leisure.

The success or failure of this operation is secondary I Just want PZB to draw troops out of China or HI to stop me as I will conduct flanking Amphib assaults when required to cut off and wipe out his troops.

I have 1st USMC Div/ 3rd USMC Div and 24th US Div ready for this operation.

After the conquest of French Indo China is complete the two USMC Divs will rest ready for my HI Adventure.


Eastern Theatre

Forces are congregating at Pearl thousands of ships are in the harbour, hundreds of thousands of men get ready.

My carriers are knocking off sys damage and need another 3 - 4 weeks to be ready but then it will be time to pull the trigger

I am going to sent about 15 Divs I hope against HI or Sakkalin or Korea

A further 5 Divs will join them from the West (incl 2 USMC Divs) the next attack will NOT fail !!!!

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RE: Iwo - 5/15/2007 9:20:39 PM   
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It takes about 60-80 AK's for a div to do a full oneturn landing. That's 1000 AK's :)

Ofcourse you now have a buttload of landing crafts anyway.

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RE: Iwo - 5/16/2007 1:24:34 AM   
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At present at Pearl or en route I have 12 Operational Fleet Carriers, 6 more are in the yards for the long term
5 CVL's with 1 in yards
11 Operational BB's (2 in yards)
18 CVE's
37 Cruisers
c 200 Destryers
80 Large or Medium AP's
280 LS's
300 AK's
72 MSW's
15 Oilers 

Ground componenet

2 USMC Divs
7 US Army Divs
2 Aus, 1 NZ and 1 Canadian Div
17 US Independent RCT's
11 Armoured Bns

So say about 20 Divs worth of troops in the Eastern Theatre

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RE: Iwo - 5/16/2007 1:45:31 PM   
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Are 300 AKs enough for you at this point in the war?  Also, how many TKs?  Do you have enough of them?

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RE: Iwo - 5/16/2007 1:46:48 PM   
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Are 300 AKs enough for you at this point in the war? Also, how many TKs? Do you have enough of them?


I'd say no. Even with the landingcrafts and all the AP's he'd need about 500 atleast imho.

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RE: Iwo - 5/16/2007 3:07:45 PM   
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I remember someone saying, and maybe it was Andy Mac in this thread, that if a Japanese player really wants to hurt Allied logistics the thing to do it to go after AKs, more than APs or even TKs. Looks like that may be true.

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RE: Iwo - 5/16/2007 4:17:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vetamur

I remember someone saying, and maybe it was Andy Mac in this thread, that if a Japanese player really wants to hurt Allied logistics the thing to do it to go after AKs, more than APs or even TKs. Looks like that may be true.



while it´s surely true that AKs are a limiter for the Allied later on I just wonder how a Japanese player can concentrate on sinking AKs early on... Most times it´s just pure luck if you stumble with KB over a 100 ship AK TF that brings something to Australia. Other times you hit a three ship TF of your opponent warning him KB is around and the following TF with 75 ships escapes untouched...

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RE: Iwo - 5/16/2007 6:33:09 PM   
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Ah sorry to be unclear thats just the AK's at Pearl or en route I have several hundrend more on auto convoy duty or at Singapore

About 30 of the AP's are 2k ones and the LST's alone can assault lift 6 Divs so carrying capacity is not a problem


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RE: Iwo - 5/17/2007 11:48:51 PM   
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Andy did mention a long (so it seems) time ago that he feels he never has enough AKs.
I took this statement to heart and reserve the small AKs specially for amphibious use. In my recently started first PBEM I saved as many as possible from DEI and transferred them and the Brit ones over to the Pacific. They will be kept safe until the time to strike back comes - although this does place a strain on the early '42 buildup - but i'm looking longer term.

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RE: Iwo - 5/18/2007 1:46:01 AM   
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At the time Andy mentioned this I agreed. I still think AK's are one of the most vital ships to the Allies in 44/45.............

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RE: Iwo - 5/18/2007 4:24:37 PM   
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I have used 500,000 tonnes of supply in Malaya in a month between air groups and the Battle of Bangkok.

AK's are vital.

I took the strategic decision to operate out of Pearl with the consequential reduction in carrying capacity.

By shortening my LOC I have freed up 2m tonnes of AK capacity for the next attack but make no mistake I am struggling if I was trying to operate SWPAC now I would struggle.

Andy

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RE: Iwo - 5/20/2007 3:35:33 AM   
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Hi Andy Mac, glad to see you are still fighting the good fight. I haven't read much of this thread, I might later. On the AK thing, I was in the process of trying to get 5,000,000 supply just to Australia as a resource for NG and the Solomons. It takes a lot of shipping to supply the Allies. When I took over there was about 2,000,000 total supply not on the West Coast. I think I got about 3,000,000 shipped when you took over. I also think our predessers lost a number of AKs. Good luck.

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RE: Iwo - 5/20/2007 12:37:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nomad

Hi Andy Mac, glad to see you are still fighting the good fight. I haven't read much of this thread, I might later. On the AK thing, I was in the process of trying to get 5,000,000 supply just to Australia as a resource for NG and the Solomons. It takes a lot of shipping to supply the Allies. When I took over there was about 2,000,000 total supply not on the West Coast. I think I got about 3,000,000 shipped when you took over. I also think our predessers lost a number of AKs. Good luck.


Yes, the debacle at Java (which I advocated for ) really took a bite out of allied shipping, both navy and merchant. Additionally i think most of the british AK's (which there are a lot of) were also lost.

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RE: Iwo - 5/20/2007 11:38:50 PM   
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Yup but keeping Malaya and Singapore have taken a lot of shipping as well.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/24/45

Keeping Ubon AF shut I need this base for my plans in SEA so I don't PZB reinforcing it.

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Day Air attack on Ubon , at 32,41


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 26


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

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Allied Armour takes Kompong Trach my troops will now divert back to the main axis !!!!

Ground combat at Kompong Trach

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22908 troops, 0 guns, 1174 vehicles, Assault Value = 647

Defending force 4564 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 93

Allied max assault: 1180 - adjusted assault: 1040

Japanese max defense: 64 - adjusted defense: 127

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kompong Trach base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
569 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 5


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RE: Iwo - 5/20/2007 11:41:07 PM   
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8th Australian Tank Regt secures Ubon troops will now rest up and wait for the next step !!!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/25/45
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 9
D4Y Judy x 86
B7A Grace x 47
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 72
Ki-102a Randy x 12

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 60

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
9 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
47 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
20 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
22 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
12 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 9


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on Ubon , at 32,41


Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 37


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65


Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 17
A-26B Invader x 4


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 2 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Dili , at 31,77


Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 47


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
20 x A-26B Invader bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 5
PB4Y Liberator x 6


No Allied losses

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
A-26B Invader x 26


No Allied losses

Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x A-26B Invader bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Naval Construction Battalion, at 31,40

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on 72nd Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 29,39


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 13
A-26B Invader x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/26/45
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 35

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 9
D4Y Judy x 211
B5N Kate x 27
B7A Grace x 70
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 165
Ki-102a Randy x 25

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 231

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
9 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
43 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
23 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
19 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
23 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
13 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
21 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
31 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
31 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
22 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
47 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 10000 feet
27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
24 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
5 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-84-Ic Frank bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 24

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
3 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Saigon , at 31,46


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 8


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 17000 feet
5 x Liberator VI bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 8
PB4Y Liberator x 7


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 66


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 109

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jaluit , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
A-26B Invader x 38


No Allied losses

Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
38 x A-26B Invader bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Yokosuka 7th SNLF, at 32,41


Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 23
PB4Y Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 28


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
9 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Tank Regiment, at 32,41

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Tank Regiment, at 32,41

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 8

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Tank Regiment, at 32,41

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Australian Brigade, at 28,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 72nd Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 29,39


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9
B-25J Mitchell x 7
A-26B Invader x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
6 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 31,71

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Beltrami
AK Meridian Victory, Bomb hits 4,  on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kiska Island at 92,35

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Torrence, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
TK Mantahala

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Ubon

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1790 troops, 0 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 226

Defending force 1147 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36

Allied max assault: 98 - adjusted assault: 96

Japanese max defense: 19 - adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ubon base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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