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Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 9:20:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The recent supreme court decision to allow local governments to grab prime real estate for the reason of increasing their tax revenue worries me.

Now that this law has been enacted , commentaters were saying that this would occur hardly ever. I can't believe that the temptation for local, county, or state governments to use this law will not be abused. It will be directed primarirly at waterfront property.

Listened to a report yesterday that a local government in Texas was now going to force out two fisheries to gain their property.

I am concerned because it seems to take away the american dream to own a piece of the pie. If I was able to purchase a piece of property by the ocean. And then have the government tell me I had to leave because they were gfoing to improve it with apartments!
After working hard to gain that property governments can simply come in and decide it is better for them to have it just seems wrong to me.
I don't agree with this decision.

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 9:45:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a terrible decision.

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 10:04:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is so in most part of Europe. If the govermnent decides to build infrastructure(roads, pipelines, water reserviors etc.), you must sell your land to him, but usually on a higher level than market price. Here in Hungary there is a lot of highway building going on (we have approx 75% less highways than western EU) and it has been a good busines for lot of people to buy land, which was bought by the gov a few moths later on double price! So if you have good connection to the entitled local govs, you acn make BIG money of it. BEWARE, it also has happened that the officials sold the info, but the road was built using a different route!

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 10:19:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ursa Maior, your situation in Europe is what we had before the new supreme court decision. Beyound the the needs for road construction, or necessaryu community improvements the governments can use for a reason to gain property increasing their tax revenues.
So, a developer comes to them with an idea to develop some land that will increase a governments taxes. That government needs only that reason to take the property. Nothing to do with improvements that will care for the needs of everyone. This only takes care of the governments desire for more money.
This government body could have been poorly administering tax payer money and then look for a quick take over of property to save themselves.

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 10:23:54 AM   
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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 10:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Holy S**t! Sorry, misunderstood. That's juist plain crazy! It is more like a soviet type regime! The state(government) can do everything, because the state is always right, right comrades? The whole situation in the USA is starting to look like the one depicted in the new Star Wars films. Your rights are taken away, to protect you! Everything we do, we do it to give you more security, want it or not. And I am still not 100% sure that 9/11 had no indication. Terrorists = separatists, it is scary to carry this thought all the way long, knowing how the story unfolds!!!!

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 10:54:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a difference, Soviet Union wanted more power and complete control and then could abuse their own philosophy. (Most of the soviet government people horded money) angainst their own community share philosophy.!

The motive here is money, to have more of it at the expense of the lower income people

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 11:05:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't stated that it is. It starting to show the signs of it.
a. there is the ideology (Fight terrorism!)
b. there is the power (even the supreme court support such clearly supressive steps)
c. the Home security ministry can quiclky turn into a secret state police (KGB or Gestapo style)

Here (especially in ex-eastern eu) we have a nose to such things (it wasn't long ago, that we were supressed). Believe me when the russians occupied Hungary they made very similar steps to build absolute power. I mean no offense that the average US citizen (one that wasn't in Nam, or Korea) has no idea of tyranny (lucky you!). Just like the stated parallellity with EpI-III, the takeover starts with small steps, than bigger and bigger and at the end Democracy ends with cheering and the clapping of hands. Sen Padme.

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 11:23:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I do have some concern as well about the laws to uncover terrorists here in Usa. But history shows that here in USA every war brought about a tightening of laws or the making of others to protect USA. And after thew war was over those laws or attitudes changed back to a much freer way.
Besides I want USA to uncover any possible threat to us (internal or external). So, they need to catch the bad guy without destroying our freedoms. That is a tall order, And they better be succesful in implementing the terrorism laws.

Property rights in USA, on the other hand, have been Sacro-sant since our beginning as a nation. I see this as a attack on the individuals right to own property.

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 11:41:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		And don't you think that this is connected with the current "state of war"? This decision was easier to be carried through in the shadows of more dire dangers.
I recently read a book about the US worldpower and the Pax Americana, written by a hungarian US expert. One of its final point was that the USA is becoming more and more an aristocratic republic. I think this decision of the supreme court (supporting the rich vs the poor) fits nicely into this process. And because of the human nature (unchanged since 8000 yrs) aristocratic republics lead to

a. anarchy (see greek city states in 3rd century AD), later to be united by a foreign power
b. despotism (see Rome principality and later the emperors).

Things evolve much faster now than millenias ago. In 15-20 yrs you won't believe your eyes, how much the world has changed compared to its current state.

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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 3:36:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zap

Ursa Maior, your situation in Europe is what we had before the new supreme court decision. Beyound the the needs for road construction, or necessaryu community improvements the governments can use for a reason to gain property increasing their tax revenues.
So, a developer comes to them with an idea to develop some land that will increase a governments taxes. That government needs only that reason to take the property. Nothing to do with improvements that will care for the needs of everyone. This only takes care of the governments desire for more money.
This government body could have been poorly administering tax payer money and then look for a quick take over of property to save themselves.


I live in New London County (the area affected by the decision) and this is a misrepresentation of the facts of the case. The initial movers behind the redevelopment were local government (not private developers and not an all powerful and ominous "state"). The local government is completely destitute. The schools (and other public services) are in complete shambles. This is not a case where a greedy government is trying to enrich itself by stealing from individudals. This is a case where an impoverished local government is trying desperately to provide acceptable public services to it's citizens by increasing the tax base.



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RE: Supreme court decision, does it worry you? - 6/30/2005 3:58:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alrighty kids, even though this thread hasn't brought up heated political debate, this forum is for gaming and military history. Political threads such as this belong over at Vinny and Doggie's Mad Cow forum. Why don't ya head on over there with this?

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