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Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 7:28:08 AM

CHINCHIN

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Hello everybody,

I am playing a PBEM in which my rival has sent the entire German fleet to attack convoys, has spent months and months eliminating MM all over the map, and the UK is powerless to prevent it. Certainly due to my little experience something escapes me, but in any case what happens does not seem realistic to me, and I think I should improve the following points.

1) The 180-day period to build 10MM seems exaggerated, I suppose they are made 10 by 10 to make it easier for the player to build, but if they were manufactured 1 by 1, since they are used individually, their period would be 18 days , so the UK could replace them quickly. I propose that 10 MM cost 90 days.

2) Nor does it seem right to me that a fleet can be resupplied after moving, since it is thus impossible to intercept a tanker. The fleets would have to resupply with tankers before moving. And that 1 oil tanker will be spent every 3 naval formations, in this case its price can be lowered to 20PP.

3) 80% of the interception attempts have failed. Does the size of the fleet to be discovered is taken into account in the interception? It should be much easier to intercept a fleet of 9 naval formations than a fleet of 1 naval formation.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 10:26:24 AM

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Use most of the UK navy to hunt them down and destroy them. Give yourself many chances.

Took half the RN to hunt the Bismark

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 10:26:47 AM

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Make sure you have v1.00.10

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 11:22:01 AM

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Yes, I have the .10. My entire fleet is after them, but I've only managed to deal 1 point of damage in two combat. But the big problem is not being able to replace my MM quickly, and that the German fleet is resupplied with tankers without the possibility of intercepting them.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 11:22:44 AM

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Hi,

Regarding 3, yes the size of the fleet is included in the odds. IIRC it is +1% per ship. So if the chances with everything else is about 12% for one, then it will be 20% for 9. So it is not x9 (and should not been in the immensity of an Ocean) but still makes a noticeable difference. I also recall, I think, that the size of the searching fleet has the same bonus?

Try it a few time for the %. From my experience, after it was modified a few patches ago, large fleet are much easier to find. In our games, I find it very hard to escape more than 3 attempt in a row (it used to be 15!). In two games out of five I have even seen it been found at the first attempt!

Weather probably plays a role too.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 2:01:06 PM

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The German fleet is at most size 5 and burns through oil like crazy.

Even sending groups of 4 with 2BG and 2CA is fine against it. The UK has so many ships it can afford a 3 to 2 exchange. But with eventual small engagements you can then hit them with a larger force and obliterate them. It is important the Germans keep a navy or it gives the UK free reign with their fleets.

As the Allies you should be building escorts and convoys fairly constantly.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 4/30/2021 2:59:28 PM

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Ok, thank you both.

Yes, you have to build a lot of convoys, and escorts, and a few more shipyards. Always have an important stock of convoys.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 5/2/2021 5:04:46 PM

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He caught my fleet finally...and sank 2 ships...they went home to refit and deal with the Russian fleet in the Baltic.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 5/3/2021 2:28:55 AM

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Agree the resupply should be when have both operations available.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 5/3/2021 4:22:41 PM

CHINCHIN

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stjeand

He caught my fleet finally...and sank 2 ships...they went home to refit and deal with the Russian fleet in the Baltic.

Yes, a CA and a DD were sunk, and several more formations were damaged, I had some damage but I did not lose any ships. Intercept first with CV, then with 2 surface fleets. Two air units failed reconnaissance.

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RE: Raiders of the German surface fleet - 5/3/2021 4:49:30 PM

stjeand

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My mistake...moved to close to the UK...

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