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List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 12:20:46 PM

TheTomDude

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Hello

I wonder if there's a list of torpedo carrying planes out there. I always thought you can check the "aircraft information" button to see whether a plane can carry a torpedo (max. loadout) or only bombs. I just recognised that one of my Helen Daitais is carrying torpedoes even if it says 8x 250 kg AP as max. loadout.

Does the max. loadout mean nothing then? Is there a list with planes able to carry a torpedo?

Thx
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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 12:29:58 PM

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Hello

I wonder if there's a list of torpedo carrying planes out there. I always thought you can check the "aircraft information" button to see whether a plane can carry a torpedo (max. loadout) or only bombs. I just recognised that one of my Helen Daitais is carrying torpedoes even if it says 8x 250 kg AP as max. loadout. Does the max. loadout mean nothing then? Is there a list with planes able to carry a torpedo?

Thx
Tom

don�t know what mod you play, but in stock and many mods both of what you describe is wrong. The Helen doesn�t carry a torp at all and also the 8x250 kg AP bomb is far too much. Loadout in most mods and stock is 4x250 kg AP bombs...

Never seen a list of torp bombers...

IJN: Nell, Betty, Frances, Kate, Jill, Grace, patrols (only use torps at night naval attack = useless)
IJA: Peggy (late 44)

British: Swordfish, Beaufort I, Avenger, Fulmar??, perhaps one more
Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)
Australia: Beafort I
US: Devastator, Avengers

surely forgot some, but you will surely get your list done...

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 1:15:02 PM

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Hello

I wonder if there's a list of torpedo carrying planes out there. I always thought you can check the "aircraft information" button to see whether a plane can carry a torpedo (max. loadout) or only bombs. I just recognised that one of my Helen Daitais is carrying torpedoes even if it says 8x 250 kg AP as max. loadout. Does the max. loadout mean nothing then? Is there a list with planes able to carry a torpedo?

Thx
Tom

don�t know what mod you play, but in stock and many mods both of what you describe is wrong. The Helen doesn�t carry a torp at all and also the 8x250 kg AP bomb is far too much. Loadout in most mods and stock is 4x250 kg AP bombs...

Never seen a list of torp bombers...

IJN: Nell, Betty, Frances, Kate, Jill, Grace, patrols (only use torps at night naval attack = useless)
IJA: Peggy (late 44)

British: Swordfish, Beaufort I, Avenger, Fulmar??, perhaps one more
Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)
Australia: Beafort I
US: Devastator, Avengers

surely forgot some, but you will surely get your list done...

Thx for the info. I wasn't 100% sure about the # of bombs the Helen carries.
Btw. I play stock 15 and that Helen squadron with torps is there. Mabye a bug?
I'll try to post a picture when I get home from work.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 1:41:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheTomDude

Hello

I wonder if there's a list of torpedo carrying planes out there. I always thought you can check the "aircraft information" button to see whether a plane can carry a torpedo (max. loadout) or only bombs. I just recognised that one of my Helen Daitais is carrying torpedoes even if it says 8x 250 kg AP as max. loadout. Does the max. loadout mean nothing then? Is there a list with planes able to carry a torpedo?

Thx
Tom

don�t know what mod you play, but in stock and many mods both of what you describe is wrong. The Helen doesn�t carry a torp at all and also the 8x250 kg AP bomb is far too much. Loadout in most mods and stock is 4x250 kg AP bombs...

Never seen a list of torp bombers...

IJN: Nell, Betty, Frances, Kate, Jill, Grace, patrols (only use torps at night naval attack = useless)
IJA: Peggy (late 44)

British: Swordfish, Beaufort I, Avenger, Fulmar??, perhaps one more
Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)
Australia: Beafort I
US: Devastator, Avengers

surely forgot some, but you will surely get your list done...

Add Vildebeest to the Brits

The TVI-a can still kick some ass if lucky to bypass LRCAP and Flak

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 1:46:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheTomDude

Hello

I wonder if there's a list of torpedo carrying planes out there. I always thought you can check the "aircraft information" button to see whether a plane can carry a torpedo (max. loadout) or only bombs. I just recognised that one of my Helen Daitais is carrying torpedoes even if it says 8x 250 kg AP as max. loadout. Does the max. loadout mean nothing then? Is there a list with planes able to carry a torpedo?

Thx
Tom

don�t know what mod you play, but in stock and many mods both of what you describe is wrong. The Helen doesn�t carry a torp at all and also the 8x250 kg AP bomb is far too much. Loadout in most mods and stock is 4x250 kg AP bombs...

Never seen a list of torp bombers...

IJN: Nell, Betty, Frances, Kate, Jill, Grace, patrols (only use torps at night naval attack = useless)
IJA: Peggy (late 44)

British: Swordfish, Beaufort I, Avenger, Fulmar??, perhaps one more
Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)
Australia: Beafort I
US: Devastator, Avengers

surely forgot some, but you will surely get your list done...

Add Vildebeest to the Brits

The TVI-a can still kick some ass if lucky to bypass LRCAP and Flak

Delete Fulmar (it is a fighter).

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 2:08:11 PM

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Barracuda also carries a torp afaik.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 3:10:04 PM

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Just saw this post. Seems like the same bug just with Helens and not Hudsons.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1522743

< Message edited by TheTomDude -- 7/25/2007 3:11:03 PM >

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 6:11:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheTomDude

Hello

I wonder if there's a list of torpedo carrying planes out there. I always thought you can check the "aircraft information" button to see whether a plane can carry a torpedo (max. loadout) or only bombs. I just recognised that one of my Helen Daitais is carrying torpedoes even if it says 8x 250 kg AP as max. loadout. Does the max. loadout mean nothing then? Is there a list with planes able to carry a torpedo?

Thx
Tom

don�t know what mod you play, but in stock and many mods both of what you describe is wrong. The Helen doesn�t carry a torp at all and also the 8x250 kg AP bomb is far too much. Loadout in most mods and stock is 4x250 kg AP bombs...

Never seen a list of torp bombers...

IJN: Nell, Betty, Frances, Kate, Jill, Grace, patrols (only use torps at night naval attack = useless)
IJA: Peggy (late 44)

British: Swordfish, Beaufort I, Avenger, Fulmar??, perhaps one more
Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)
Australia: Beafort I
US: Devastator, Avengers

surely forgot some, but you will surely get your list done...

Add Vildebeest to the Brits

The TVI-a can still kick some ass if lucky to bypass LRCAP and Flak

Delete Fulmar (it is a fighter).

yeah, wrong thought... thought about the Fulmar instead of the Barracuda...

and forgot about the Beaufort V also...

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 6:56:55 PM

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Don't forget the PBY's and Coronado's (they only do so on night missions which very rarely happen).

Don't remeber if any other Allied patrol planes do since I'm at work.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 9:48:22 PM

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Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)

T-IV was not a biplane but a float plane

http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/Military/index5-1%20T4.html

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/25/2007 10:52:44 PM

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Don't forget the PBY's and Coronado's (they only do so on night missions which very rarely happen).

Don't remeber if any other Allied patrol planes do since I'm at work.

Coronado's carry bombs.

Patrol AC that carry bombs are the premier ASW AC.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 10:55:55 AM

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Dutch: TVI-a (obsolete biplane)

T-IV was not a biplane but a float plane

http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/Military/index5-1%20T4.html

ahh, damn... looks like most I�ve written was wrong. I knew it is a floatplane, I even posted some pics in my AAR when your "obsolete" floatplanes put some torps in Nagato...

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 1:53:11 PM

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Don't forget the PBY's and Coronado's (they only do so on night missions which very rarely happen).

Don't remeber if any other Allied patrol planes do since I'm at work.

Coronado's carry bombs.

Patrol AC that carry bombs are the premier ASW AC.

Yes, the carry bombs on normal patrol - but you can (try) ordering them to attack at night, and then they will do so with torpedoes... but usually this only happens if there is a sub present in the hex. Although possibly other things could also trigger an attack, night-time attacks are very rare. There are also a couple other patrol craft (Mariner, Emily, etc.) that also could attack at night with torps, iirc.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 6:16:22 PM

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ahh, damn... looks like most I�ve written was wrong. I knew it is a floatplane, I even posted some pics in my AAR when your "obsolete" floatplanes put some torps in Nagato...

once again you wrote everything wrong.. in WITP T-IVs is neither FP nor biplane (at least on any planesides i know)..

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 6:18:45 PM

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ahh, damn... looks like most I�ve written was wrong. I knew it is a floatplane, I even posted some pics in my AAR when your "obsolete" floatplanes put some torps in Nagato...

once again you wrote everything wrong.. in WITP T-IVs is neither FP nor biplane (at least on any planesides i know)..

In reality, it was a float-plane, but is just treated like a torpedo bomber as far as the game goes.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 6:47:10 PM

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Just saw this post. Seems like the same bug just with Helens and not Hudsons.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1522743

Not a "bug" really. Just a minor mistake and proofing oversight when the scenario was set up. If I recall, anyone can go into the editor and change the loadout for a bomber. And, I know from experience, it is very easy to make a mistake in the editor.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 9:23:57 PM

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T-IVa

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 10:02:48 PM

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ahh, damn... looks like most I�ve written was wrong. I knew it is a floatplane, I even posted some pics in my AAR when your "obsolete" floatplanes put some torps in Nagato...

once again you wrote everything wrong.. in WITP T-IVs is neither FP nor biplane (at least on any planesides i know)..

I�m not responsible for the "design" of this game...

thank god...

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 10:03:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheTomDude

Just saw this post. Seems like the same bug just with Helens and not Hudsons.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1522743

For some reason, sometimes when bombers upgrade they can be shown to have torpedoes, but the times i've had this happen to me, they've "lost" their torpedoes in a few turns.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/26/2007 11:14:35 PM

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T-IVa

Looks like a Float Plane to me

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/27/2007 9:29:05 AM

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" Looks like a Float Plane to me"

Can't be... she's listed as a land based Torpedo Bomber in WITP. Those must be her torpedoes...

In CHS, the Brits also have the Albacore as a carrier based torpedo bomber. It's arguably better than the Swordfish, but just by a hair.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 7/27/2007 11:07:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: TheTomDude

Just saw this post. Seems like the same bug just with Helens and not Hudsons.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1522743

For some reason, sometimes when bombers upgrade they can be shown to have torpedoes, but the times i've had this happen to me, they've "lost" their torpedoes in a few turns.

Yes. After some 5 turns it went back to bombs. All fine again.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 1:17:40 AM

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The Soviet SB-2 could also carry a torpedo. This is reflected in the aircraft side view in WitP, but not in the database AFAIK. Too bad about that.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 11:18:53 AM

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There are some planes that are just so ugly... the T-IVa is one of them.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 11:45:52 AM

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The Soviet SB-2 could also carry a torpedo.� This is reflected in the aircraft side view in WitP, but not in the�database AFAIK.� Too bad about that.�

I put in a torpedo capable DB-3t in CHS. I don't think the SB-2 carried a torp.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 1:47:07 PM

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ahh, damn... looks like most I�ve written was wrong. I knew it is a floatplane, I even posted some pics in my AAR when your "obsolete" floatplanes put some torps in Nagato...

once again you wrote everything wrong.. in WITP T-IVs is neither FP nor biplane (at least on any planesides i know)..

I�m not responsible for the "design" of this game... thank god...

Yes, THANK GOD!

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 3:42:16 PM

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The Soviet SB-2 could also carry a torpedo.� This is reflected in the aircraft side view in WitP, but not in the�database AFAIK.� Too bad about that.�

I put in a torpedo capable DB-3t in CHS. I don't think the SB-2 carried a torp.

Ahhh....always nice to see a post from TheElf.

Sometimes I even read what he writes, but most of the time I just look.

BTW, I have his avatar girl as my WitP game loading screen. Sometimes it makes me wish for a slower computer...

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 3:44:40 PM

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 4:12:05 PM

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The Soviet SB-2 could also carry a torpedo.� This is reflected in the aircraft side view in WitP, but not in the�database AFAIK.� Too bad about that.�

I put in a torpedo capable DB-3t in CHS. I don't think the SB-2 carried a torp.

In Soviet service the Ilyushin Il-4 (I understand a development of the DB-3) was used as a torpedo bomber in the Baltic, so it ought to have such a capability.

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RE: List of torpedo carrying planes - 8/2/2007 5:15:44 PM

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The Soviet SB-2 could also carry a torpedo.� This is reflected in the aircraft side view in WitP, but not in the�database AFAIK.� Too bad about that.�

I put in a torpedo capable DB-3t in CHS. I don't think the SB-2 carried a torp.

In Soviet service the Ilyushin Il-4 (I understand a development of the DB-3) was used as a torpedo bomber in the Baltic, so it ought to have such a capability.

correct. Due to slot limitation and the relatively early-war nature of most games we elected to represent the DB-3t rather than the IL-4t. Perhaps when the database is expanded we can do both.

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