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PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 8:54:26 AM   
moose1999

 

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Status: offline 		In the patch notes is says the following:

"To avoid high losses, PT TF's will now mostly evade/decline combat with enemy combat TFs during daylight hours."

Sounds good, but up untill now, at all the daytime interceptions by PT boats I have seen since the patch, the PT boats have evaded combat, no matter what the circumstances were. And night time combat has been very limited too.

I've caught unescorted transport convoys 5 or 6 times during daylight and the PT boats have evaded combat every time. I just caught a lone AKL 5 hexes off Darwin with 12 PT boats during daylight, and the PTs ran away immediately.
I've had 3 instances where I ran into very lightly escorted convoys during the night (one SC or PG escorting a bunch of juicy transports) and the PT boats have evaded combat.

All PT TFs were set at absolute threat tolerance and were commanded by aggressive leaders.

So, to me it looks like PT boats will evade combat as long as there is as much as one measly warship in the enemy TF and that daytime combat is just generally off the menu.

This is just one player's experiences, of course, so it would be interesting to hear if other players are seeing something different...

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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 9:27:33 AM   
wild_Willie2


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From: Arnhem (holland) yes a bridge to far...
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Wasn't even trying to intercept anything , just wanted to get my PT's to java for repairs and rearmament...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Jolo at 72,87, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Sazanami

Allied Ships
MTB 7
MTB 8, Shell hits 1
MTB 9
MTB 11
MTB 12
MTB 27, Shell hits 1, and is sunk



Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 100% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
MTB 27 engages CVL Ryujo at 1,000 yards
MTB 12 engages CVL Ryujo at 1,000 yards
MTB 9 engages CVL Ryujo at 1,000 yards
MTB 8 engages CVL Ryujo at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
MTB 27 sunk by CVL Ryujo at 2,000 yards
CVL Ryujo sunk by MTB 9 at 2,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages MTB 12 at 2,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages MTB 8 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages MTB 8 at 7,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages MTB 9 at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages MTB 12 at 12,000 yards
DD Sazanami engages MTB 9 at 12,000 yards
Task forces break off...

< Message edited by wild_Willie2 -- 9/14/2009 9:28:42 AM >

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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 9:33:20 AM   
moose1999

 

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Status: offline 		Nice catch .
So the PTs are still good for something in the dark hours of the night.
That's reassuring.

Now if someone would throw me an example of a PT TF engaging something - anything - during daylight hours, I'll be a happy man once more...


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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 1:30:45 PM   
medicff

 

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From: WPB, Florida
Status: offline 		Occasionally you will get a daylight contact to engage. Several factors how many escorts are there or if SC TF(PTs attempt to decline) and if the convoy is caught unloading (usually get an engagement). If the convoy is already underway it will spot you a long distance and try to avoid.

I have seen several daylight engagements. IMHO I think PT combat is good. Forces IJN to escort convoys/amphibs and still gets a torp now and then.

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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 2:55:34 PM   
joey


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Joined: 5/8/2004
From: Johnstown, PA
Status: offline 		Yes PTs run away a lot more lately. I did a short test and found the PTs attach about 1/7 of the time that they did under the original version. But on the other hand, they don't sacrifice themselves against large surface fleets like they did under the original version.

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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 7:25:22 PM   
stuman


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Joined: 9/14/2008
From: Elvis' Hometown
Status: offline 		Mine are not running away , at least at night :


Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 79,75, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Nichiryo Maru, Shell hits 1
xAP Koan Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
PB Ginyo Maru, Shell hits 7

Allied Ships
PT-31
PT-32
PT-35
PT Q-112



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 53% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 53% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
PT Q-112 engages xAP Koan Maru at 1,000 yards
PT-35 engages xAP Koan Maru at 1,000 yards
xAP Koan Maru sunk by PT-32 at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
PT-35 engages PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT Q-112 at 2,000 yards
PT-32 engages PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT-35 at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT-32 at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT Q-112 at 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages xAK Nichiryo Maru at 2,000 yards
PT-32 engages PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT-32 at 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages xAK Nichiryo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT Q-112 at 2,000 yards
PT-32 engages xAK Nichiryo Maru at 2,000 yards
PT-31 engages PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru engages PT Q-112 at 2,000 yards
PT-35 engages xAK Nichiryo Maru at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 79,75, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Mogamigawa Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC CHa-15, Shell hits 11, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-31
PT-32
PT-35
PT Q-112



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 64% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 64% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
PT Q-112 engages SC CHa-15 at 1,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages xAK Mogamigawa Maru at 1,000 yards
SC CHa-15 sunk by PT-31 at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages xAK Mogamigawa Maru at 2,000 yards
PT-31 engages xAK Mogamigawa Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
PT-31 engages xAK Mogamigawa Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages xAK Mogamigawa Maru at 3,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 79,75, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Nissyu Maru
SC CHa-4, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-31
PT-32
PT-35
PT Q-112



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 64% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 64% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
SC CHa-4 engages PT-32 at 1,000 yards
SC CHa-4 engages PT-31 at 1,000 yards
Range increases to 2,000 yards
SC CHa-4 engages PT Q-112 at 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages xAK Nissyu Maru at 2,000 yards
PT Q-112 engages SC CHa-4 at 2,000 yards
PT-35 engages SC CHa-4 at 2,000 yards
SC CHa-4 sunk by PT-32 at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 79,75, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Kogyo Maru
xAKL Gozan Maru
SC CHa-5, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
PT-31
PT-32
PT-35
PT Q-112



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Reduced sighting due to 64% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 64% moonlight: 3,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 1,000 yards...
SC CHa-5 engages PT Q-112 at 1,000 yards
SC CHa-5 engages PT-35 at 1,000 yards
PT-31 engages SC CHa-5 at 1,000 yards
Vigon T. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 2,000 yards
PT-31 engages SC CHa-5 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near San Fernando at 80,74, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Kogyo Maru
xAKL Gozan Maru
SC CHa-5, on fire

Allied Ships
PT-31
PT-32
PT-35
PT Q-112



Reduced sighting due to 64% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 64% moonlight: 1,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range increases to 11,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 7:27:52 PM   
stuman


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Joined: 9/14/2008
From: Elvis' Hometown
Status: offline 		And they do fight during the day ( but I don't think they wanted too ) :

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Iba at 79,74, Range 15,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CL Oi
DD Sagiri
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT-31, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-32, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-35, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT Q-112, Shell hits 1, and is sunk



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 15,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 14,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 15,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 15,000 yards
PT Q-112 sunk by CA Atago at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Sagiri engages PT-35 at 9,000 yards
PT-35 sunk by DD Sagiri at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
PT-32 sunk by CL Oi at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
PT-31 sunk by CA Atago at 7,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...



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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/14/2009 7:27:57 PM   
Swayin


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From: Bellingham, WA
Status: offline 		Mine seem to get a bit more reticent as their sys damage from the many sustained ops around the PI take their toll -- which makes sense.

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RE: PT boats avoiding combat too often? - 9/15/2009 3:56:38 AM   
joey


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Status: offline 		Mine still attack during the night, but rarely during the day. They also do not seem to attack in battles that they are significantly outweighted. Althought they have turned down a few night battles when a large enemy fleet is present.

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